Because obviously if I had Lv50 crafting I could just craft the couple of things I need rather than having to spend hours upon hours doing it..? Common sense. I only said that I would love if it could happen, not that I hope it will or anything of the sort. Stop being such a jackass and use the brain you were born with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Denmo
Yes, again, I would love having the benefits of a Lv50 craft without having to grind it to cap.
No, I am not asking for that.
Figured I'd say it again and break it down since you seem to have a few issues understanding basic concepts.
Power-leveling is absolutely BROKEN
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10-10-2011, 04:04 AMCharismatic
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10-10-2011, 04:12 AMDenmo
I'm just trying to understand why you'd want to say that in the first place, but I think the brain I was born with has put it together. I'm sorry you don't enjoy crafting - I do. I've been enjoying it more than ever since the update. IMO it would ultimately be a waste of a game if anyone could get a craft or job or class to level 50 with minimal effort. People should feel accomplished for what they've done, and get rewarded for it from players like you, who can simply buy the gear they don't want to spend the time to make themselves.
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10-10-2011, 04:14 AMCharismatic
Try reading the post I was responding to if you want to understand why I'd say that in the first place. Once again, use that noggin. It'll all come to you if you just think.
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10-10-2011, 04:59 AMBrainriot
Not to mention with PLing a lot of players will reach r50 without even knowing how to play half their roles in battle, which skills to use in determined situations or even how each works.
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10-10-2011, 05:03 AMAlkaiser
LOL wow amazing thing to see when people are too lazy to play a video game, I still don't understand why you guys play a MMORPG= massive multiplayer online role playing game if you do not want to play it obviously.
lazy players like the ones defending this are the same ones that want:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ex.-auto-50%29
this is real sad when people just want a "i win" button added to a game.
heck lets just:
1)pay for a movie ticket and go in and watch the credits of the movie
2) start up any sports team and just tell the other team that you win
3)lets just open a book and skip to the last sentence and say you read the book.
i can go on and on with this. PL i don't mind as much if they stay out of the party similar to ff11 where they only heal you and thats it, its bad but its not as bad as this game where a max level guy just stomps all over the game and you just sit on your ass and gain massive.....let me change that word enormous/game breaking amount of xp.
example:
5 of my linkshell members already hit 3 class to 50 within 2-3 days of power level 1-40 and 40-50 on raptor party. And this goes on for a lot of people around the server i know personally.
when you guys are all level 50 with every single class i would like to as you what will you be spending your tme on then? because apparently you guys want to do some "endgame content". -
10-10-2011, 05:21 AMRinsui
Btw: sooner or later it will affect crafters as well. Who needs gear for a PL? ^.^/
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10-10-2011, 05:47 AMYellowbluebus
Alright, forewarning this might sound a little repetitive since I did not read the entire thread, but at least a few pages to get the general effect of where people were going with the topic. I completely support the "powerleveling" idea, and here is why:
I don't see it as "powerleveling" persay, more like I can have fun with my low level friends that just joined the game, help them out and actually get a minor amount of exp for myself in the process. I like the fact that they get a large benefit, and can play with me sooner than having to wait 15 years for them to level on their own.
Yes, the fact that levequests are stackable now helps with the fact that all of my friends have jobs and can only play on the weekends, but there is only so many quests that they can do and only so much exp that they can gain without my help. It would still be a very long time before we could play together and that is just not enjoyable.
While getting exp very quickly can be seen as "cheating" I really don't think so. It's repetitive and boring for the person PLing; it makes them work for the levels of their friends. Nobody would do this for no benefit whatsoever, so I really don't think it's going to be exploited, unless people will pay massive amounts of gil to be PLed and I really don't think there's anything wrong with that either considering it's just a basic IN GAME transaction (but let's not derail the topic here).
To sum:
- Getting PLed will not happen all the time, it's rigorous, tedious, and mind numbing for the person giving.
- It helps get your friends to higher level so that you can play and enjoy this game with them.
- It will most likely not be exploited due to facet number one, and if it is botted, SE will deal with that idea.
- It benefits the PL as well as those being PLed by giving minor amounts of exp (I gained 2 levels on my level 33 THM PLing my friends)
- It helps mentor new people in the game with a veteran who might share some knowledge with them while PLing (ie. this aggros, that doesn't, suggestions for party places when the PL session is over etc.) **this depends on the person, but I have found most people to be helpful**
Therefore, I don't see the problem with PLing. Thank you for reading, and I'm sorry once again if this was at all repetitive. -
10-10-2011, 06:09 AMDrekeLamorteSo what you're trying to say is... Your idea of fun is a time-sink to reach max level? While that's an important part of the RPG genre, and shouldn't be completely removed from it, you're taking this way too personal. And if it's not something your okay with, you're free to quit anytime. Yoshi-P stated that he doesn't consider it Power Leveling to enjoy doing things with your friends, regardless of level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Issac
Bite your tongue, and walk away. You're not going to convince anyone who makes decisions.
On a completely unrelated note, a friend of mine speaks and reads fluent japanese, and the english boards are the only ones throwing tantrums and whining about this and that. Learn from them. Take some time to understand the game in it's entirety to formulate an opinion before you 'speak'. Otherwise, your ramblings are just speaking volumes to the community of your mental shortcomings as a player.
@YellowBlueBus: Agreed. Another point to mention, PLing is a perfect way to earn exp when you're focused on spiritbinding. R40 Leves anyone? -
10-10-2011, 06:09 AMChainGear still doesn't matter, hate to break it to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rinsui
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10-10-2011, 06:10 AMDenmoI think that's his point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chain
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10-10-2011, 06:12 AMChainNo, no it doesn'tQuote:
Originally Posted by Denmo
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10-10-2011, 06:14 AMIStolzI
A lot of you who are making these big arguements for PLing arn't acknoledging the main problem. The problem is not that its a generous boost in XP, the problem is you can get multiple classes 1-30 in a day by forming PL pts where everyone takes turns PLing and thus everyone benefitting. This with the new XP system, I think most the players will be capped out on 50s in DoM/W before the job patch even gets here.
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10-10-2011, 06:21 AMDenmoforgive me if my low-level knowledge has offended your 2 jobs at 50 experience, but as far I've seen, equipment matters. Not just for the stats benefit, but the materia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chain
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10-10-2011, 06:24 AMAlphaDragoon...LOL? Gear VERY MUCH matters now. Stop trolling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chain
Anyway, put me on the "take out the PL" train. I think the level range system we had before should just be widened a bit so that it isn't a "Oh you're six levels below your friend because you don't have as much time to play, you're screwed" scenario, but still completely gimps PL.
I also think the range from 1-25 needs to be easier. Not as easy as it was previously, but easier. -
10-10-2011, 06:25 AMJennestiaHe's clearly done extensive testing with every piece of materia imbued gear possible to come to the conclusion it doesn't matter, though he didn't want to share his findings with the rest us!Quote:
Originally Posted by Denmo
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10-10-2011, 10:12 AMKona4me
SE must rollback servers lol... otherwise i won't be excited for this game anymore b/c its easy now >.<;;; , i went to do Imperial Devices quest for grand company with 2 guys ~ one of em intended to PL the other so when i finished the dungeon i got about 25~27k exp (in less than 10mins) + 3 rare/ex gear O.o;... i was lucky XD but i rly don't want it to be easy to this extent... ; w ;
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10-10-2011, 10:42 AMDokuton-Razortaru
SE must roll the servers forward and keep this thing going because its awesome wooooo
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10-10-2011, 10:47 AMvaxIt will be easy to find a pl because ppl will take a turn to pl the others, so a guy will pl a pt for a time, then another take his place and so go on. This will cause problem on ppl that doesn't have a rank 50 for the reason "you can't pl the others, we only want ppl that has a rank 50".Quote:
To sum:
- Getting PLed will not happen all the time, it's rigorous, tedious, and mind numbing for the person giving.
- It helps get your friends to higher level so that you can play and enjoy this game with them.
- It will most likely not be exploited due to facet number one, and if it is botted, SE will deal with that idea.
- It benefits the PL as well as those being PLed by giving minor amounts of exp (I gained 2 levels on my level 33 THM PLing my friends)
- It helps mentor new people in the game with a veteran who might share some knowledge with them while PLing (ie. this aggros, that doesn't, suggestions for party places when the PL session is over etc.) **this depends on the person, but I have found most people to be helpful**
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10-10-2011, 10:49 AMSpliffstar
I agree, it needs to be fixed. Players are so lazy that they would rather claim there levels the cheapest way possible then rather EARN IT. It's pathetic.
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10-10-2011, 11:05 AMIsaaru
SEVEN HUNDRED
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10-10-2011, 11:40 AMXxOstiaxX
Keep it until i hit 50, then please SE remove it.
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10-10-2011, 11:49 AMPlatinumstorm
My only concern with the power leveling is that the low level crafting market is destroyed atm. For some classes, like Carpenter, this takes our already limited supply of craftable items and limits it farther.
Other than that I can care less if people level up fast. It's not like the combat is hard to learn. -
10-10-2011, 02:02 PMfeint2021
Gear does make a difference. However, it's use is minimal when you have a plvl.
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10-10-2011, 02:23 PMZezlar
Apparently it's fun not earning anything anymore. Getting to the top by taking every short cut possible is the best way to go.
Well I can't stop anyone from doing this. At least at the end of the day I can take pride in knowing I can play my job properly as well as knowing that I actually earned my level ups.
Might as well add that auto-level option that someone suggested. This community is so shot. -
10-10-2011, 03:13 PMBetelgeuzahIf the game provides you those shortcuts, yes, it is the way to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zezlar
But the fact is, the game shouldn't do that. It's not a crime to play the game by it's own rules, but those rules should make sense as well. -
10-10-2011, 03:22 PMZenakuWear something 1 level above you and see how much it matter now then before. Sorry to break it too you it matter more then anything now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chain
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10-10-2011, 03:25 PMAmayaI completely agree i'm not saying make it so hard it takes us months and months just to hit 50 but the plvling system although implemented by yoshi-p im sure he didnt intend for everything thats happening because people exploit anything to the extreme.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spliffstar
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10-10-2011, 03:28 PMZenakuA game should never allow you to powerlevel at this point in time of the game. What going to happen is everyone going to be 50 when ps3 hit everyone be powerlevel and they hit max level everyone would be max level. They would get bored out of there mind and SE would have to work 10x at hard to even release stuff so people wont be bored.Quote:
Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah
Yoshi-p need to understand that there other way you could help your friend reach yourlevel without doing the work for him. -
10-10-2011, 03:41 PMMugiwara
Since people don't understand how game balance works here you go:
reasons why Abrupt leveling kills MMOs:
1: Economy: This hugely affects the economy because PLing your classes will not require you to gear your self until late game. So what happens to all the gear LV1-40 in the markets? It sits right there. Crafters and people who farm mats for gils will definitely feel the backlash from this. If you have any sense of analytical and observation skills you can look into the future of what downward spiral the economy will go into if the PL scenario worsens.
2: Server Character Level Distribution: New players will later find it hard to make and find group later down the line when people start to have multiple 50s and start the ever popular end game grind for gear. The content created by the devs for LV1-40 will be completely destroyed like it was in FFXI in Abyssea (might not be correct spelling) and will turn this game into another type of grindfest... the endgame grindfest.
3. Promotion of the lack of In-Game knowledge: This sounds fun doesn't it?! Lets not have no clue what we are doing, let alone what types of abilities are viable in class builds and end-game setups. Why can't these things be taught through player experiences and strife? That is the true way to stimulate sense of accomplishment!
4. Veteran Buzz-Kill = Loss players: Lets observe a real-life scenario. Let's say you worked intensely hard at a job and finally earned a promotion after 12 years of dedicated service. Then next week a new hire is suddenly jolted to your rank after 3 months. We saw this in FFXI and no one can't argue that the server population didn't suffer from it. Come on SE! don't you learn your lesson!? How would the current vets feel about this nonsense? Think before you post, please... -
10-10-2011, 03:53 PMZenakuI agree with you 100% but there some people on here who believe grinding your class 1-50 you don't learn anything from it and you learn from endgame. Which i think it's not true in FFXI you learn about team work where the mage stand how to tank how to SATA how to move from GOB AOE. All of this teach you later how to do Endgame i don't understand why people think otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mugiwara
I hope what you said would at least tell the other what could happen and what going to happen if this goes on. There other ways you could help your friend level. EXP BAND,link account that would help the few who have a friend who join later into the game. They still have to level up there job and learn how to play but it cut down by a few days of grind.
You can't have powerlevel when the game just came out maybe 8 year down the road like ffxi where the game is dieing but sitll there. -
10-10-2011, 04:14 PMTravestyYaaay, more people in the thread who get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mugiwara
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10-10-2011, 04:37 PMIssac
It seems there are now two threads, an unofficial "vote" with "thumps-up" counts. I don't think this is a good way to select majority opinion, as not everyone comes to the forums. It's not even good as a statistical sample from the population because there's no controls. However, it's something that does get the attention of reps.
Therefore, if you have not already hit that button, and you agree with the OP, please do so now. Thanks. =] -
10-10-2011, 05:06 PMVahzl
We power levelled pretty much all day yesterday, taking it in turns to be the PL - Farmed up a TONNE of stuff for the LS, got everyones subs nice and comfortably levelled, and had a laugh doing it.
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10-10-2011, 05:07 PMZenakuEveryone would get 50 and the game is not really p2p yet this could be a issue for SE down the road. Stop saying there no downside there is that why a lot of games have big time sink even wow is not easy to level like ffxiv.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vahzl
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10-10-2011, 05:13 PMVahzlQuote:
Originally Posted by Zenaku
Again, so? We had a lot of fun, enjoyed the game, and worked as a group towards a great goal. -
10-10-2011, 05:15 PMZenakuThat the downside most people enjoy level up and find that the best part of the MMO and seeing how a lot agree with this. Top of that there a time sink so it give SE more time to make more stuff for us to do. Now if they make finding party,level up and grinding fun i don't see it being a issue but making it so you just powerlevel is the dumbest way to do this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vahzl
Once again that the downside and it going to be a issue down the road. -
10-10-2011, 05:16 PMIssacThat's not a MMORPG to me. Let me bold, to me. Is this really the new generation of MMORPGs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vahzl
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10-10-2011, 05:23 PMVahzlAn MMO is not a korean grindfest, it is about working with friends to overcome goals and obstacles, the levelling is really kind of irrelevant as to how it is done. You can argue as much as you like but the basic point is this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Issac
- Those with friends and a good LS will always do better in these games
- Those without are playing the wrong game
- Stop worrying so much about what other people are doing and just get on with your life, if people want to do it, it is their choice and not yours. -
10-10-2011, 05:26 PMZenakuWhen it breaks the game and it mess my gameplay then yes i should worry. If i can make a party to level from 10-50 due to everyone Powerleveling and no one really partying that a issue for me. What do you want me to do? get a friend to powerlevel me or play solo? this is a big issue and it going to be down the road trust me and there a lot of people who feel the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vahzl
You said your view i understand them but it seem you don't understand how this break the game for the big % of players. -
10-10-2011, 05:28 PMIssacI'm not asking for a korean grindfest, I'm asking for something between these two extremes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vahzl