We Need to Start Expecting Mid-Level Sprouts to Play Better

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Originally Posted by Illmaeran

I have to ask, why are you upset that you had to heal when you queued as a healer? Why did you find that boring? From what I can tell, most people think healing's tedious and boring as it is now, yet you actually had to engage in healing this run. Wouldn't that be a good thing as opposed to spamming a DPS skill and tossing an occasional heal?

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Try this yourself:
Glare III Glare III Glare III Glare III Glare III Glare III Glare III[...]

vs

Cure II Cure II Cure II Cure II Cure II Cure II Cure II[...]

Yeah, no. That's not anything more interesting. A boring kit makes a boring gameplay. Some seasoned Healer mains in this thread can bore the board with further detail if they want to but that's not the point of this thread, there's already plenty other thread for that specifically.

I do not include anything else like Solace, Tetra, Bene, etc because OP specifically stated they've exhausted all cooldowns. At THAT point it actually becomes a chore especially when you know it's not supposed to happen when -any- tank is perfectly capable to do their part in like... what, extra single/two button presses? If that's not enough, they were offered suggestion -politely- & refused rudely.

I like helping. I don't like babysitting.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

MMR is great for competitive play. This game has some level of competitive play, and it might make sense there.

The remainder of the game (outside of PvP) is not competitive, and the measures one would require in order to determine 'skill' do not exist.

I expect that your judgement of whether a player has 'learned how to play rather than getting carried' is fairly subjective. It's one of the problems that highly skilled video gamers have to live with in any MMO that does not cater exclusively to them. (Which is most MMOs. There isn't enough money to be made by catering exclusively to high-end combat skilled players. The All-PvP-All-the-Time MMOs probably come closest.)

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Who mentioned being competitive? skill based matchmaking doesn't have to be for competitive modes and it would all be under the hood so you won't be epeen measuring ingame, that's the domain of fflogs. This would be just for people of similar skill level playing with eachother and not being frustrated by low skilled/bad/lazy players and those said players won't be bothered and frustrated by getting criticized by higherskilled players. Don't know why people would be against it unless you're bad and want to be carried through stuff.
All the time I see people whine that they got kicked for being bad or not playing their class properly and the other side for having to play with those people, skillbased matchmaking would alleviate those kind of complaints and we all get to play with people who want to play in a similar fashion, don't know why people would be against it.

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Originally Posted by Gararr

Imagine wanting the game to be better for everyone instead of just yourself. God he'
/she is so selfish for giving inputs, how dare.

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Game isnt "better for everyone" when you cater to "slightly better than average" bozo player base.

What OP described is an issue yes, its called griefing and purposely "playing bad" to ruin others experience.

Its 180(c) different than attacking anyone who's worse than you.

and oddly enough its always the same type of players doing it, which is "slightly better than average bozos". they're not good enough for proper high end content, so they ask that lowest tier content be upped in difficulty. it happens in every game, its almost funny at this point.

In some games there's a way to have MMR, and see clear difference between players, but in FF you're not even allowed to use damage meters, how on earth do you think they'd even go about segregating player base in lowest difficulty content ( dungeons in this case). Like give me an example, and ill explain to you why its a bad idea.

Who's getting locked out of stuff through skill based matchmaking? I advocate skill based matchmaking so people aren't told to play a certain way, they can play how they want with others that play the same. So what's the point of all your words. what your effectively saying is skilled players playing the way they want to should have their enjoyment ruined cause people want to be carried through things by playing the way they want to, hence why I advocate skill based matchmaking, so casuals can play the way they want together and skilled players can play the way they want together, simple.

Heck I'd not mind a 'playstyle' option for DF similar to the interests you can put in. RP/Casual/Medium/hardcord.

Options are never a bad thing, save for those looking to take advantage of others.

Tldr anyone?

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Originally Posted by Yeastyloins

That thread is talking about you mate. The MSQ has been ruined by other players multiple time due to poor play. People hitting like wet noodles first time I had to go in Titania. Doing Endsinger wasn't filled with joy or excitement, it was pure frustration that people couldn't figure out the double planets after wiping twice to it.

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Well, all I can say is that I am at least self-aware enough to know to stay out of Savage content. I'm well aware that I'm not really much of an asset to any team I'm with, but again - it's not for lack of trying.

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Originally Posted by Bukachu

Game isnt "better for everyone" when you cater to "slightly better than average" bozo player base.

What OP described is an issue yes, its called griefing and purposely "playing bad" to ruin others experience.

Its 180(c) different than attacking anyone who's worse than you.

and oddly enough its always the same type of players doing it, which is "slightly better than average bozos". they're not good enough for proper high end content, so they ask that lowest tier content be upped in difficulty. it happens in every game, its almost funny at this point.

In some games there's a way to have MMR, and see clear difference between players, but in FF you're not even allowed to use damage meters, how on earth do you think they'd even go about segregating player base in lowest difficulty content ( dungeons in this case). Like give me an example, and ill explain to you why its a bad idea.

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I like how the people you dislike are bozos. Lol. It'd be like if I called casual players 'uncaring selfish pieced of Marid excrement who don't care about anyone other than themselves'

Get it straight. Matching players that want to play with people at their skill level is a matter of respect. Not having it will just continue to remove people from the roulette as they default to the people they prefer, which does nothing to address players without a full team ready to go or those who want to interact in a greater variety outside of their niche community. (Shocking I know)

It's always these self-righteous types that don't care to see the game being better who take it personally instead of thinking objectively, lol.

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Originally Posted by Iustitia-sama

Who mentioned being competitive? skill based matchmaking doesn't have to be for competitive modes

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MMR (matchmaking ranking), also known relatively loosely as 'skill based matchmaking', is the domain of competitive gaming, where you don't play with the heavy hitters until you can prove you deserve to be there. League of Legends is a prime example of a game that leans heavily on MMR.

In MMORPGs, you'll find some simple measure of MMR in competitive PvP. Other leaderboards in an MMORPG are generally the result of 'time spent in game' rather than skill level. There's a list of 'skill based' MMORPG games out there (although I'd call them "partially influenced by concepts of a skill-based system").

Would I be against such a thing in an MMORPG? Not particularly. It's there already in some games with PvP elements. Would it work for PvE? It's easy to say "skill based", but what skills are we measuring here?

What "skills" would you be looking for that are not already available to you from third-party sites? Considering the fact that damage meters will never be available in-game, what criteria would you use to determine if you are 'gold' or 'platinum' or 'diamond' level worthy? I know that the only criteria currently used is "did you complete the objective within the time limit assigned?".

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Originally Posted by Rhea_

Tldr anyone?

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Breaking News: Tank in casual 4man content didn't use CDs forcing a healer to have to heal. When tank was asked to use mitigation CDS, they refused stating, "You don't pay my Sub."

Community forum calls for segregation from "sprout" playstyles and enforced basic training for all roles.