Parsers make you stupid

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Originally Posted by Svalitz

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True you can see those things, but if you really want to fine tune your playstyle, a meter is one of the best tools to help you do that. I understand that not everyone runs one or wants to, but not everyone that has one is out to get at people that don't. Keeping an eye on buffs and numbers may help, but a parser is more diagnostic and can help pinpoint what needs to be tightened up as far as DPS goes.

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Originally Posted by Svalitz

You can see people's gear and iLevel.

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This is really the only part of your argument I would be careful about as being a false lead on how well people perform. Players can get high ilvl all they want, but that doesn't exclude geared out players from underperforming.

Oh I definitely agree, "you can't judge a book by it's cover".

I've seen some really poor performances from people who were full i180+ gear, but again, I didn't need to see numbers to show me that they were bad... I saw them wipe to simple mechanics repeatedly.

I'm more fed up with people going ape-sht over simple content like Roulettes, or members (some from my OWN FC / LSes even) making fun of other players for not hitting their parsing expectations on content where it doesn't matter.

Cause it doesn't matter. It's just a big self concious, self praising circle jerk 90% of the time I see people talking parses.

And to me, that takes all the fun out of the game feeling like I'm constantly being monitored (as DPS anyways) by other players without my consent. I can dodge every AoE and never get hit on DRG, but still be last on the parsing list and all of a sudden I'm a bad player. That's not ok with me

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Originally Posted by Inuk9

But parses are usefull to see who is doing good or bad when a party wipes to an enrage. If you disagree with me, you probably likes to being carried instead of trying to improve your game. Even casuals can do high dps if they want.

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Originally Posted by Inuk9

Not want to sound elitist but sometimes you need to know what is wrong with the party and how to get better. In DPS checks there are parsers who can provide this information..

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I totally get what you're saying - and as I said I've never used one, ever. But if everyone used them in a kind and helpful manner we wouldn't have an issue. At first Yoshi P didn't care just don't talk about it - but they had to specifically put it against ToS last April, and Yoshi P didn't do that - it's was the people who used said program improperly that did that. So in short - the community did it to itself and now they are not allowed per the ToS.

Unfortunately with pure typing (like this) motive is not always clear - so even if someone is trying to be helpful - if they mention the program and the other person takes it the wrong way (feeling harassed, picked on etc) they can be reported and possibly banned. If someone kicks someone out for having low DPS 'per' said program and no other reason, that could possibly be harassment, which is also against ToS, and they could be banned etc... and there are ways to improve DPS and parties without the use of outside illegal means.

So the back and forth on if they are helpful or not is kinda irrelevant since they are not allowed.

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Originally Posted by Svalitz

My DPS isn't great, and I'm ok with that. What I'm NOT ok with, is knowing that someone in my dungeon group is parsing Tam-Tara and talking to their LS group about how "lol this DRG is only parsing 100" behind my back.

Get over yourselves.

Parsers are NOT the be all end all of this game, and are NOT necessary, and are NOT EVEN ALLOWED.

Can we please stop freaking out over numbers and "the best rotations" etc and just play the gd game GDI.


*forever a tank now because at least THAT is solely based on skill and not luck / putting blinders on and ignoring mechanics to show how big my epeen is*

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People judge people no matter what.
There are tanks who judge healers for dpsing, because they don't feel safe.
There are tanks who judge healers for not dpsing, because they think they're lazy.

There are healers who judge tanks for pulling too slowly.
There are healers who judge tanks for pulling too much.

There are dps who join in the judging of any of the above.
And I've seen all of those at some point.

And they do it behind people's back, even in low level dungeons.
They talk to their LS about it, because they want to vent.
I think it's a little cowardly to go to your LS just to make fun of some guy in a dungeon.
But I get that voicing it can be volatile because even if you're nice, some people explode in defensiveness at any sign of criticism.
Plus you just can't please everyone.

So that's just the way it is.
But Damage is the primary job of a DPS, there's no denying that.
It should absolutely be transparent how much damage is done.
You may not like the min-maxing and analyzing encounters while looking through the game through a math lens, but many people do.
They enjoy that, not just to get a higher dps number but all the information involved.

And all the parser does is compile it, the information is already there in the combat log.
The parser doesn't touch the game itself. It just compiles and analyzes the already existing information that's in a text file outside the game files.

Information shouldn't be hidden just because some people are judgmental, because they're going to do that either way.
DPS is already a role that has no spotlight on it, and that's fine. But the data shouldn't have to hidden just because some are afraid of what might come to light.
Because for everyone that doesn't want to improve and just wants to get by, there's someone that would've been motivated by the information to get better.

In regards to putting blinders on to get a higher number, that's actually the part you can look at more accurately in-game.
You can see if dps are trying to pad their numbers and ignore mechanics, but you can't really see how good their dps is even if you know the class unless you're always watching them (which is pretty silly, since that's its own set of visors).

Yesterday I was doing story Ravana as a tank for a healer friend. We weren't able to kill the adds, even though we tried 6 times (there were always at least 4 swords up when Ravana used its ultimate move and we just wiped every single time) despite both healers DPSing as much as they could in that phase. Turned out all four DDs were doing less DPS than either tank (who were using full tank gear). One of the DDs said in party chat "these DPS suck" and left (yes, despite himself having constantly done less DPS than the tanks on all 6 tries). We ended up vote abandoning the fight. The DDs will probably be carried through the fight in some other group, imagining they're doing super and just ended up in a bad party (like the guy who left, blaming others). Without a parser they will never know how they're doing and they will never get a chance to improve.

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Originally Posted by KaiKatzchen

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Yep. That's why I don't use them and want a personal parser built ingame.

That and I am a PS4 player, lol.

maybe you guys should stop being garbage if you want people to stop calling you out on it

Honestly the title of this thread makes you sound stupid and like you have a chip on your shoulder.

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Originally Posted by Svalitz

I've seen some really poor performances from people who were full i180+ gear, but again, I didn't need to see numbers to show me that they were bad... I saw them wipe to simple mechanics repeatedly.

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Sure, you can tell if they're dying. But tell me, how do you, without staring at him the whole time, tell if a monk is fucking up his rotation and losing GL3 more often than he should (looking at party list is only helpful if he's got very few other buffs on--otherwise GL3 can be hidden as party list only shows a few buffs/debuffs at a time)? Maybe he's low on accuracy in a coil fight and missing now and then and it's causing it to fall off. Maybe he's just messing up and hitting 1 when he means to hit 3. Maybe he doesn't understand how GL works. Maybe he's got some macros set up and the fact that you can't pre-load macros is causing him to hit abilities .2 seconds later which is causing GL to drop when he has to disengage the boss more often, and decreasing his DPS from having, effectively, less skill speed. How would you know?

All but the last one you could look in the battle log and see why it's happening, sure. But the parser is just a consolidated and timed battle log, and you're not going to see any of those things if you're paying the proper amount of attention to your own rotation and mechanics.

And yes, this has happened, and yes it has contributed, greatly, to missing enrage mechanics. I'm not going to go much into the story of it to protect the guilty, but someone was parsing, another monk was doing poorly, and it wasn't obvious. Maybe it would have been if I had stopped doing anything and just stared at his rotation--but then I'd have been doing terrible.

It's happened with other people, too, and the likable ones--the ones that get added to LSes and/or friendlists--someone in my group usually helps them improve their rotations so we can clear the content with them rather than dropping them, but I know that might not be the normal use of parser.

Btw, I don't know why parses are prohibited. All the info can be acessed via ingame "Battle log".

The only thing the parses does e to take those numbers and divide by the time elapsed. It's nothing like breaking the game's code or something.

Pls SE. Do a personal parser ingame T__T