The Summer Event - New Info 8/8

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Originally Posted by GreatLeviathan

Still does not belong in Final Fantasy.They should keep it like FF is always been since 1987.

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Originally Posted by Chezen

Secondly... there may be exceptions, but overall, men are wired to think sexually. This isn't about stereotyping, it's just a fact.

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Looks like you've got a lot of reading to do before claiming 'facts'. Yes, you are stereotyping. Truth is, humans are wired to think sexually. Men in modern society are trained that it's acceptable to be open about it, and women in modern society are trained to tamp down "sexual thoughts", lest they be immoral and/or unladylike. This isn't wiring, it's generations of conditioning. Don't confuse the two.

If I could suggest just a single book for you to check out on this subject, look for
Sex at Dawn: The Prehistoric Origins of Modern Sexuality by Christopher Ryan and Cacilda Jetha.

What I find funny is, these people blame all the world's ills on sex and sexuality, but cannot provide one single study which backs up their position. Just blanket statements of "I find it wrong and shameful, therefore it is causing problems." Fact is, sexuality is as natural as breathing. It's a part of our very makeup. Denying sexuality is in it's entirety unnatural. There has never been any society that fell because people showed skin. Hell, look at many of the isolated tribes in the world whose societies haven't changed in hundreds, if not thousands of years; nudity of both sexes is common, their societies persisting, only threatened by outside forces.

Look at nudist colonies. You have adults and children all living quite nude. You don't see mass orgies or guys walking around with erections, and even sexual assaults are far rarer than in the outside world. Because it is all completely normal to those inside. Nudity is frankly banal when you are used to seeing it on a regular basis.

You want legitimate causes of problems in society? How about a lack of respect for education or the self, or any sense of personal responsibility? How about apathy, greed and solipsistic personalities, and others butting themselves into others lives while turning a blind eye on their own?

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Originally Posted by Chezen

Some of this is probably different lines of thought, and some of it I do disagree. I do have a line with sexual humour jokes, and I don't make such jokes with people I don't know. The more "explicit" ones, I only make them with my husband. I don't consider making such jokes to others as proper, as I hold sex and sexual things to be sacred. Most people who know me think that I won't make any jokes like that at all. That's not actually true, but since most people don't seem to understand the line that I don't like to cross, I've found it better to just not go into it.


If you are dressing "sexy", this in my mind means dressing to illicit a sexual response. In my mind, the only one you should be doing this for is your spouse. If you don't have one yet, then still, building a relationship primarily out of "attraction" is not a good thing. And yet this is exactly what many young people do, because they often don't understand any better, and this is the example that adults set before them as far as they perceive it. No, we can't raise other people's kids, but society as a whole does influence them, and we do have a responsibility as adults to them.

Secondly... there may be exceptions, but overall, men are wired to think sexually. This isn't about stereotyping, it's just a fact. I don't mean that there aren't gentlemen with manners, but the fact is the more sexually you dress, the more they are going to think in a sexual way (overall). I'm not blaming them for that at all, but I will do my part by not dressing to the point of what our society would consider sexual. There are people who would go to the other extreme and ask me why I don't go cover myself from head to toe. There is a big difference between a pretty outfit and one that in our society, is meant to iilicit sexual attraction. Now, I will admit that a little bit of generation gap comes into play here, because what that is exactly does change over time.

Going back to my taking responsibility statement, yes I can blame them, the same way I hold most media responsible for their part. I had respect for SE for not going too far into this area. At the same time, they couldn't sell it if there wasn't a market for it. Everyone is responsible for their own part in things. A mature adult does understand that what a person does, does affect other people, whether it be in a negative way, or a positive one.



I never said anything about a one-piece, although I do appreciate a pretty one. That girl's pixelated boobs are about to fall out of that bikini. Between that, and the pose in the coatee and hose, if you don't think SE isn't pushing sexualization... I actually really don't want to burst your bubble. :) If fun was the only idea behind it, they could have advertised some different alternate swimsuits at the very least. I more than agree there is a difference between dressing slutty and dressing pretty. But this is not one of them. I do very much like to dress attractive. Waist fitting dresses with flowing skirts are my favorite. Obviously that wouldn't work for the beach. :) But offering a bikini that actually looks like it will hold you in properly, I think isn't too much to ask.

As for moral boost, if a woman really feel the need to dress slutty, (meaning in a way that attracts the sexual type attention of others), I would think there might be other problems at work that really have nothing to do with it. Ones that won't be solved by dressing that way.

It's exactly why I won't be participating. :) I don't play lalafalla, and SE isn't offering any other alternatives. I'm very childishly immature about a great many things, but I am very serious in the areas that matter. I take this matter seriously, because it is screwing up our society.

I just respectfully disagree in general. I believe that many mistakes in life can be avoided, but they require maintenance and care, like anything worthwhile. It's really difficult to maintain things all by yourself. It's much better if you have a society and support network that helps you out. Many kids out there these days do not have that.

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I wan wut u drankin yo cuz this stuff is mad deep!:cool: Joking aside, everyone as always, are entitled to their opinion. I see the event as good fun and I dout this opinion will be favored by the majority. :p Sadly I gonna miss it because I don't have a PC to play anymore!:(

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Originally Posted by miqokini

Well, to put it into perspective, the vast majority have no problems with the bikinis. I've only seen 2 people complaining about it, desperately trying to justify their stance. It's kind of sad...

Most people these days see no harm, and like someone else said, it's far more harmful to teach children to be ashamed of their bodies.

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Well, I actually looked back on this thread because I wanted to thank you for the conversation, feeling that maybe although we disagree, I learned something, and perhaps you about me. But I guess I was mistaken. :(

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Originally Posted by Obsy

Looks like you've got a lot of reading to do before claiming 'facts'. Yes, you are stereotyping. Truth is, humans are wired to think sexually. Men in modern society are trained that it's acceptable to be open about it, and women in modern society are trained to tamp down "sexual thoughts", lest they be immoral and/or unladylike. This isn't wiring, it's generations of conditioning. Don't confuse the two.

If I could suggest just a single book for you to check out on this subject, look for
Sex at Dawn: The Prehistoric Origins of Modern Sexuality by Christopher Ryan and Cacilda Jetha.

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Fact: I am not hard-wired to think sexualy. In fact, things went over my head for a very long time until a few people felt the need to "educate" me. Most, however, respected my innocence, and liked me all the more for it, I think. It's hard to say since they weren't telling me that directly.

Fact: My husband would never let me out of the house dressed like that. Not because he's controling, but because he knows exactly how men think. Many an honest man has confirmed the same thing. Yes, of course there are exceptions, on both sides.

As for scientists, nothing they have to say is going to trump common sense. I'm not an animal, and I'm not going to act like one. Throughout history, yes, the sexes have been very onesided, and that was wrong, but people often can't seem to find a balance in things, they always seem to go from one extreme to the other. To try to make men and women exactly the same... it's apples and oranges. You just can't. Women are emotional, men are factual/visual. Men are physically stronger. Yes, in general. The amount will vary from person to person.

Edit: After thinking about this a bit more, I think I understand some of the hang-up on this one. In my mind, stereotyping means making generalizations that have no basis in fact. I'm saying there is a basis in fact that men are more "physically" inclined than women. I'm not saying this is true for all cases.

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Originally Posted by AlexNiculaie

What I find funny is, these people blame all the world's ills on sex and sexuality, but cannot provide one single study which backs up their position. Just blanket statements of "I find it wrong and shameful, therefore it is causing problems." Fact is, sexuality is as natural as breathing. It's a part of our very makeup. Denying sexuality is in it's entirety unnatural. There has never been any society that fell because people showed skin. Hell, look at many of the isolated tribes in the world whose societies haven't changed in hundreds, if not thousands of years; nudity of both sexes is common, their societies persisting, only threatened by outside forces.

Look at nudist colonies. You have adults and children all living quite nude. You don't see mass orgies or guys walking around with erections, and even sexual assaults are far rarer than in the outside world. Because it is all completely normal to those inside. Nudity is frankly banal when you are used to seeing it on a regular basis.

You want legitimate causes of problems in society? How about a lack of respect for education or the self, or any sense of personal responsibility? How about apathy, greed and solipsistic personalities, and others butting themselves into others lives while turning a blind eye on their own?

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Nudist colonies are not about sexuality. I suppose you didn't read my other post in which I stated that naked does not equal sexual. The problems that open sexual attitudes cause is in the family, and yes, that does matter to me very much, because the family, and children that come from them, are our future.

A look at the divorce rate is the only proof needed to figure out something is wrong. Why are people divorcing so much? Obviously the foundation of their marriage was not strong. Why not? Many factors come into play, yes, but sexual "openess" of this manner, is one of them. If you didn't have the character to keep yourself before you got married, what makes you think you can all of a sudden be "good" afterwards?

On top of that, this also ties into the "individual" aspect that is being pushed in our society. Marriage is about a union, not individual needs. Yes, you need some of the things you want and need, but overall, you are not your own person in a marraige. Not if you want it to work. Your spouse comes first, and vice-versa. Yes, if they care about you, they will listen to the things you need, and again vice-versa, but as my husband puts it, marriage is 90% compromise.

Even sexism comes into play as well, because although it is fine and dandy if a woman wants to have a career, her spouse comes first, just as she to him. Things such as careers and money should be discussed before marriage. And if children come (some do decide against children) the children come first, not careers. I've heard of some families where the father stays home with the kids, and that is fine as long as it works for them.

As for your last comment, such attitudes start at home. Rebellious children raising children will have children who have no understanding of what it means to be a responsible adult.

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Originally Posted by Youngblood

I wan wut u drankin yo cuz this stuff is mad deep!:cool: Joking aside, everyone as always, are entitled to their opinion. I see the event as good fun and I dout this opinion will be favored by the majority. :p Sadly I gonna miss it because I don't have a PC to play anymore!:(

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Understood. :) I don't expect it to be favored. I just thought I was having an adult conversation. My bad. :P Anyway, although I thought at first maybe I really was concerned about nothing, I suppose my original synopsis of the situation still stands. However, I think I have said my peace.

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Originally Posted by Obsy

Looks like you've got a lot of reading to do before claiming 'facts'. Yes, you are stereotyping. Truth is, humans are wired to think sexually. .

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It'll rock her world to know Women think of sex just as much as men do, sometimes even more.

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Originally Posted by Chezen

Fact: I am not hard-wired to think sexualy. In fact, things went over my head for a very long time until a few people felt the need to "educate" me. .

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Fact: You're not the incarnation of every woman on this planet.

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A look at the divorce rate is the only proof needed to figure out something is wrong. Why are people divorcing so much? Obviously the foundation of their marriage was not strong. Why not? Many factors come into play, yes, but sexual "openess" of this manner, is one of them. If you didn't have the character to keep yourself before you got married, what makes you think you can all of a sudden be "good" afterwards?

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You of course realize that the divorce rate is highest in the most conservative and religious puritanical states, right? The ones who have pushed the abstinence til marriage ideals? In fact, many such marriages themselves fall apart after a short few years due to infidelity. Sexuality, open or otherwise has nothing to do with it. Saving yourself til marriage doesn't make you more responsible nor does not doing so make you "rebellious."

Seriously, at this point you are just spouting a bunch of speciest nonsense.

Looks like it'll be an interesting event, may actually log into XIV to check it out lol. And yes, I'm getting a swimsuit even though I'm Lalafell, deal with it.

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Originally Posted by Chezen

I'm not an animal

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Yes you are, and that's confirmed both by sicence and common sense. You're a quite sexist animal, by the way.

I wonder how much you'll cry when you learn that with some simple modding anyone can just decide to see you completely naked in the game, mind you, in almost any MMORPG game out there.
Might want to stop playing, you never know.

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Originally Posted by Chezen

A look at the divorce rate is the only proof needed to figure out something is wrong. Why are people divorcing so much? Obviously the foundation of their marriage was not strong. Why not? Many factors come into play, yes, but sexual "openess" of this manner, is one of them. If you didn't have the character to keep yourself before you got married, what makes you think you can all of a sudden be "good" afterwards?

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A lack of sexual attraction in a couple, married or not, is surely one of the top cause of break-ups/divorces. And "keeping" yourself until you are married is really an out-dated way of thinking. It's not because you "kept" yourself until then that you will be responsible and "good" afterwards either, if anything you might be tempted all the more.

All this is really off-topic though, if you feel uncomfortable with a virtual character wearing a bikini, you have a problem bigger than you think, beliefs aside.