AOE Toggle Needs to GO

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Originally Posted by Shai

Stop trying to divert dev attention from real changes that need to be made. We wasted 6 months building auto-attack because of the 111111 argument. We could have had player run companies and delivery boxes by now. I'm tired of this stupid petty shit getting the forefront attention when the game works the way you want it to work already.

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Hummm no. If all they wanted to change was auto-attack it would be done and we'd be moving on, however they decided it was a GREAT idea to scrap the current job system and most of it's sub systems by replacing it. That takes AGES, I wonder if all the people that voted "I'd be okay with a combat revamp" really thought how long this would actually take?!

If you are waiting for actual solid content to come in, I'm seriously advising to check back in 2012. And boy do I wish I was kidding..

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Originally Posted by Cendres

Hummm no. If all they wanted to change was auto-attack it would be done and we'd be moving on, however they decided it was a GREAT idea to scrap the current job system and most of it's sub systems by replacing it. That takes AGES, I wonder if all the people that voted "I'd be okay with a combat revamp" really thought how long this would actually take?!

If you are waiting for actual solid content to come in, I'm seriously advising to check back in 2012. And boy do I wish I was kidding..

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Agreed.

Combat and gameplay should always come before content. That is why the game is free. Its hard to take Shai's discussion seriously now after reading that he or she would rather have a delivery box in place before the game even functions properly.

should be spells like cure & curega maybe things will change when WHM pops up.

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Originally Posted by Shai

This is ridiculous. You guys can't even keep your own arguments straight.

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I think you're confused. What I was saying was that standalone RPGs cannot be compared to MMOs. Mechanics such as turn-based combat, toggles and extra confirmations do not work well in unpredictable real-time settings where time is of the essence.

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Originally Posted by Shai

Rowyne states her #1 concern is the "AOE confirmation" (which doesn't exist).

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Perhaps I didn't make this clear. The AoE toggle is part of the final spell confirmation. If it makes you feel better, we can technically say it's two issues which are bundled together. It is a redundancy that feels spammy.

It's akin to how Windows Vista used to always throw a popup in your face. 'Do you really want do to this?' Seriously? Of course I want to do this. If I press the button on my action bar to cure, then yes, I want to cure. Cast the spell, quit throwing extra roadblocks in my way.

To get through this confirmation as quickly as possible, people either just AoE everything, or inadvertently do the opposite of what they wanted to do because of how they bundled the toggle into the confirmation.

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Originally Posted by Shai

I agree that having the toggle on screen at all times would be better because I often don't know if I'm in or out of AOE until I'm selecting a spell (and that's obnoxious)

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I did concede that if SE likes the toggle instead of splitting it out into separate spells, then it needs to be something more static and moved out of a confirmation mechanic.

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Originally Posted by Shai

You see, I like to keep my target cursor on the mob so I can make sure to keep DOT up. I like to see what buffs and debuffs he has on him and I like to keep track of how much HP he has so I can manage MP to the best of my ability. I have the mob targeted at all times (even when 100% healing as I did in XI) and then use the sub-target system (stpc in XI) to target the tank or the DD group as needed.

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I understand what you're talking about. But I think they could implement better mechanics that will allow this, such as a focus frame or target-of-target, and it wouldn't necessitate the current always-hit-enter spell confirmation.

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Originally Posted by Shai

I'm simply stating that you can stomp your foot and say you like Target, Cure - but can say I like pushing Cure, Target, Enter. It's an extra button push, but I prefer it so I can watch the mob and make sure I am targeting the correct ally with Cure.

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I'm not stomping my feet. I'm not getting irate. I've tried to keep this thread civil. But I'm glad you finally understand it's extra button pushing.

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

I did concede that if SE likes the toggle instead of splitting it out into separate spells, then it needs to be something more static and moved out of a confirmation mechanic.

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This I like. Have it toggle-able from outside of combat/spells, and remove the toggle before casting spells.

ad nauseum wins the day.

I can only repeat myself so often before I want to crush my skull in a vice.

LETS THROW AWAY TOGGLE! YEAH!

MORE REDUNDANT SPELLS TO SORT THROUGH PLEASE.

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I like the aoe toggle, but i use a controller. It's just more efficient. And it's not like this is the only PC game that is easier/more enjoyable to play with a controller.

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but why is it that support spells have the aoe option? I can definitely understand magic spells like fire, but what about protect and shell? I could see it being for cure if in the future they allow us to use it on the undead, but right now it's not that way. Shouldn't all support magic just be aoe without the toggle option?

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Originally Posted by Eldaena

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but why is it that support spells have the aoe option? I can definitely understand magic spells like fire, but what about protect and shell? I could see it being for cure if in the future they allow us to use it on the undead, but right now it's not that way. Shouldn't all support magic just be aoe without the toggle option?

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Perhaps threat management, less would be accumulated when only healing one person rather than Aoe spamming.

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Originally Posted by Eldaena

Shouldn't all support magic just be aoe without the toggle option?

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I've always thought that too. Unless there is a cap on how many buffs you can have, it should automatically be AoE, IMO. Very few situations where I would only want to buff one person (time and enmity).