Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

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Originally Posted by Teykos

So basically treat lilies as a more or less passive GCD reduction that you can sacrifice for up to three emergency stoneskins.

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The thing is: Divine Benison will eat up any and ALL lillies, regardless of how many you have...and is on a 60s CD...there's no multiple Emergency Stoneskins. you have to wait for it to come off CD again.

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Originally Posted by Saraphin

The thing is: Divine Benison will eat up any and ALL lillies, regardless of how many you have...and is on a 60s CD...there's no multiple Emergency Stoneskins. you have to wait for it to come off CD again.

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I'm assuming he's suggesting it be changed to have no cooldown, so it basically becomes like Lustrate, but for mitigation. It's an interesting idea, but not one I can really support. There's little need for back-to-back mitigation like that (if THAT'S needed, then you probably need general raidwide mitigation anyway), and WHM needs mitigation at a much lower level than 66, due to mechanics in older content.

Recast reduction is also a terrible bonus, so while it working that way is better, it's still a very unsatisfying system in general.

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Originally Posted by IttyBitty

I'm assuming he's suggesting it be changed to have no cooldown, so it basically becomes like Lustrate, but for mitigation. It's an interesting idea, but not one I can really support. There's little need for back-to-back mitigation like that (if THAT'S needed, then you probably need general raidwide mitigation anyway), and WHM needs mitigation at a much lower level than 66, due to mechanics in older content.

Recast reduction is also a terrible bonus, so while it working that way is better, it's still a very unsatisfying system in general.

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...why would I, as a WHM, want lustrate? that's the SCH's thing, i like it being the SCHs thing. I always forget they have it then: Boom! "wait...wha...oh! the other healer's a SCH, derp. that's what i get for not looking at the list, but YAY!".

Someone earlier pointed out about the recast thing: It's like Spire. and that's the worst card in the AST toolkit.

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Originally Posted by razzgrizz3

lol are yout talking about savage?
would you happen to have a video of yourself solo healing a9a10s with only regens and tetra + bene?

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A9s and A10s is what I meant. I do cast medica 2, but it's mainly for a 3rd regen and usually only with divine seal. It's pretty simple when people are gear capped and know what they're doing. Although an occasional Bole makes it easier as does Selene's Embrace.

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Originally Posted by magnanimousCynic

I don't see an S near A9 or A10 so I assume they're talking about normal mode.

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I was using my phone and the "s" didn't register. Sorry

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Originally Posted by Saraphin

...why would I, as a WHM, want lustrate? that's the SCH's thing, i like it being the SCHs thing. I always forget they have it then: Boom! "wait...wha...oh! the other healer's a SCH, derp. that's what i get for not looking at the list, but YAY!".

Someone earlier pointed out about the recast thing: It's like Spire. and that's the worst card in the AST toolkit.

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He said like Lustrate in the sense it eats Aetherflow with no real cooldown. Not that we should get Lustrate wholesale.

Basically triple Stoneskin with no cooldown.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

-Give everyone back their class specific dispel (just adjust the level you get Leeches at) and remove Esuna from cross role;
-Give everyone Protect or some form of it (they seem to not like having the exact same abilities copied across classes with the same name and icon, which is fine I guess, just give them different names or something);
-Get rid of Largesse and give back Divine Seal, Synastry's potency increase, and (I'm assuming) Dissipation's potency increase.

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I like every you said up the the cross skill part. It was done this way because it was a waste to have multiple actions that did the same thing. If anything they should just give us more slots to cross 3 additional skills, but at the same time, we don't have to always have the same skills crossed. (Not every fight needs esuna ^_< )

You said mostly everything I was going to say otherwise. I'm still going to make my post to make to better state my ideas though.

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Originally Posted by Metsonm

He said like Lustrate in the sense it eats Aetherflow with no real cooldown. Not that we should get Lustrate wholesale.

Basically triple Stoneskin with no cooldown.

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we can't do it more than once every 60s base. (i think 48s if you have 3 Lillies? CRD. yay.) and you have to have a Lily to activate it and it eats all Lillies you have not just 1, I think Lustrate takes just 1 Aether stack, correct? the Media Play tests showed that it didn't light up unless you had a lily to use (and yes, i know it takes an Atherstack, but the point is, WHM can't full party, only single target)

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Originally Posted by Kid-Tempest

I like every you said up the the cross skill part. It was done this way because it was a waste to have multiple actions that did the same thing.

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I still don't really get this argument. It's not like White Mage had Leeches AND Esuna. It's not like Dark Knight was running around with Shadowskin AND Rampart. I don't see how it detracted from the game by giving different jobs different flavours.

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Originally Posted by Saraphin

we can't do it more than once every 60s base. (i think 48s if you have 3 Lillies? CRD. yay.) and you have to have a Lily to activate it and it eats all Lillies you have not just 1, I think Lustrate takes just 1 Aether stack, correct? the Media Play tests showed that it didn't light up unless you had a lily to use (and yes, i know it takes an Atherstack, but the point is, WHM can't full party, only single target)

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Yes, that's how it currently is, was just clarifying suggestions.

I’ll add my 2 cents on where I think WHM should go here. Current state, the WHM mechanic isn’t intuitive to game-play and more importantly lacks group support abilities. Lets reinforce WHM identity toward Hots…

Make lilies proc based on an amount of healing done (not over healing). Add a skill that consumes lilies which will heal for the remaining regen potency on party members (both from medica 2 and regen) and passively provides a scaling GCD reduction while left unspent.

Passive
1 lily 5% CD reduction
2 lilies 10% CD reduction
3 lilies 15% CD reduction

Active
heals for 50% of remaining Regen/Medica 2 potency, consuming active hots
heals for 100% of remaining Regen/Medica 2 potency, consuming active hots
heals for 100% of remaining Regen/Medica 2 potency, hots remain

Add a skill which spreads the Regen effect from one target to the full party.
Add a skill which resets both Regen and Medica 2 durations to full.
Add a skill which acts like an AOE rampart x% damage reduction for x sec.
Add Reflect, single target buff which nullifies an attack and does damage at x potency

On a side note I think the devs need to seriously look at AST and consider removing both sects focusing on it as a direct heal class with a card buff system. The current design is negatively impacting the healer landscape.