Binding Coil of Bahamut Discussion

BTW, if you're certain that the twister mechanic issues are related to the game's inability to track player locations you should probably add you thoughts to this thread.

The twister mechanic is no longer a secret and the public knows about it so quit trying to hide $%# and post in there and elsewhere. Get this issue more publicity.

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Greetings,

We understand that the mechanics of Twintania are a very hot topic in the community currently and I would like to clarify a couple of things.

First, I would like to clarify something about the bug report flow as we've seen many comments about this in the past. Bugs that have been moved to the "Accepted Bugs" forum are those that have sufficient information to be investigated. Although a reported bug was moved to the "Accepted Bug" forum does not mean that what was reported is an actual confirmed bug. Apologies for any confusion related to this process.

Next, there have been a lot of comments about how surviving Twintania's "Twister" ability is seemingly random. Please know that it is not random and that the development team has adjusted the difficulty of this battle to be of the highest level that is in the game currently. With that said though, it was still designed to be beaten. While we definitely cannot comment on strategy, we believe that a valiant group will be able to defeat Twintania.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Next, there have been a lot of comments about how surviving Twintania's "Twister" ability is seemingly random. Please know that it is not random and that the development team has adjusted the difficulty of this battle to be of the highest level that is in the game currently. With that said though, it was still designed to be beaten. While we definitely cannot comment on strategy, we believe that a valiant group will be able to defeat Twintania.

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In other words people, get gud.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Next, there have been a lot of comments about how surviving Twintania's "Twister" ability is seemingly random. Please know that it is not random and that the development team has adjusted the difficulty of this battle to be of the highest level that is in the game currently. With that said though, it was still designed to be beaten. While we definitely cannot comment on strategy, we believe that a valiant group will be able to defeat Twintania.

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This reminds me of the good old Absolute Virtue thing in FFXI.

...Good times.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Next, there have been a lot of comments about how surviving Twintania's "Twister" ability is seemingly random. Please know that it is not random and that the development team has adjusted the difficulty of this battle to be of the highest level that is in the game currently. With that said though, it was still designed to be beaten. While we definitely cannot comment on strategy, we believe that a valiant group will be able to defeat Twintania.

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...you do know people will still think it is random and unbeatable with or without official word on it, right...? No amount of official announcement will shut whiners up unless you literally reveal the whole fight's mechanics. Law of minimal effort: blame it all on someone else.

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Originally Posted by Wind-Krysvein

This reminds me of the good old Absolute Virtue thing in FFXI.

...Good times.

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Good old thing we still don't know to this day how to beat at the 75 cap in 2013.

Well thats that

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Originally Posted by Nedhitis

...you do know people will still think it is random and unbeatable with or without official word on it, right...? No amount of official announcement will shut whiners up unless you literally reveal the whole fight's mechanics. Law of minimal effort: blame it all on someone else.

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Then if they reveal the mechanics, then what is the point of making this the hardest boss in the game? They might of just issued everyone a booklet with the mechanics of every fight day 1 of the game, if they were to comment on the twister mechanics.

Anyway, it's good to know that it's a mechanic issue. People keep searching!

Likely just a cop out.

DD was just "fixed" even though it was "Working as intended".

It's really easy to go through life believing nothing

Him something doesn't add up. Didn't Yoshi say "End game players have also encountered problems with the fifth turn of the Binding Coil of Bahamut. This issue was to be addressed with the patch on October 15, but unfortunately we've confirmed that the problem still persists. Please rest assured we are working diligently to resolve this issue so that players can resume play in this instance as soon as possible." So can be interpreted as there is a known issue...

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Originally Posted by CrashQQ

Likely just a cop out.

DD was just "fixed" even though it was "Working as intended".

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You seem to be confusing "fixed" with "modified." Also, working as intended just means that at that given point in time that's the behavior they wanted, but after seeing the effect it had on the game obviously they decided to modify it anyway.

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Originally Posted by PsychologyPhD

Him something doesn't add up. Didn't Yoshi say "End game players have also encountered problems with the fifth turn of the Binding Coil of Bahamut. This issue was to be addressed with the patch on October 15, but unfortunately we've confirmed that the problem still persists. Please rest assured we are working diligently to resolve this issue so that players can resume play in this instance as soon as possible." So can be interpreted as there is a known issue...

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There is a known issue with the boss glitching, which is unrelated to what Camate is saying.

Edit: You're welcome, PsychologyPhD.

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Originally Posted by Mordermi

There is a known issue with the boss glitching, which is unrelated to what Camate is saying.

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Ah okay, thanks for clarifying that.

So is anyone going to try that Voodoo strat XD

lol!

Y'know, I remember a topic about Turn 3 seeming odd to many people. Mayhap the solution lies there? Like, I'unno, run around the Turn three times doing /stretch after each lap and ending with a /congratulations to each member of your party. Then a Lalafell in a black cascadier uniform riding a unicorn will descend and tell you to go and obtain the Wheat Sword by slaying the Dutch Farmer primal. This will open up a quest whereupon you need to gather 999 Millioncorn among all 8 of you, and by offering it to the Botanist Guildmaster, she'll send you to the boss fight. Upon defeating the Dutch Farmer you will obtain the key item "Wheat Sword" which will inflict Pacification of Twintania, thereby stopping her from using any physical abilities. Voila, viola!!

And if that doesn't work you could always just keep trying?

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Originally Posted by Mysteltain

Y'know, I remember a topic about Turn 3 seeming odd to many people. Mayhap the solution lies there? Like, I'unno, run around the Turn three times doing /stretch after each lap and ending with a /congratulations to each member of your party. Then a Lalafell in a black cascadier uniform riding a unicorn will descend and tell you to go and obtain the Wheat Sword by slaying the Dutch Farmer primal. This will open up a quest whereupon you need to gather 999 Millioncorn among all 8 of you, and by offering it to the Botanist Guildmaster, she'll send you to the boss fight. Upon defeating the Dutch Farmer you will obtain the key item "Wheat Sword" which will inflict Pacification of Twintania, thereby stopping her from using any physical abilities. Viola!

And if that doesn't work you could always just keep trying?

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While this is funny and I like the post overall I believe the word you are looking for is Voila. Viola is an instrument. :P

So divebombs werent bugged.
Twisters aren't bugged.

Anything else left to cry wolf about?

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Originally Posted by Nuvas

While this is funny and I like the post overall I believe the word you are looking for is Voila. Viola is an instrument. :P

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A damn fine instrument at that!

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Originally Posted by Mysteltain

Y'know, I remember a topic about Turn 3 seeming odd to many people. Mayhap the solution lies there?

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Its obvious you have to aggro all of the dreadguard in turn 3 that do not attack and have a ton of HP and then train them all the way to turn 5 without kill them and they will soak up the twisters.

Maybe you need to wear or use an item to survive the Twister. Nobody knows what it is yet?

Just like in WoW with the Onyxia Scale Cloak

Waiting for the massive butthurt

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Anything else left to cry wolf about?

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They're going to find the strategy then say "THERES NO WAY WE COULD HAVE FOUND THAT NORMALLY SHIT GAME"

Although I am worried it might be similar to FFXII and the zodiak spear. Its starting to sound that way.

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Originally Posted by NarwhalShadowsun

A damn fine instrument at that!

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I'm actually learning to play that instrument, haha!

...should probably edit my post ._.

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Originally Posted by NarwhalShadowsun

A damn fine instrument at that!

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I play violin so the mixup between the two words always gets me. Viola is a neat instrument too though!

H-have you guys tried standing under the Boss? cause it you know it might be position based or something, idk just throwin ideas out

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Originally Posted by KuroiKen

H-have you guys tried standing under the Boss? cause it you know it might be position based or something, idk just throwin ideas out

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People get mad when you try and suggest things, careful. At this point it doesn't seem to be position. Its most likely a mechanic.

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Originally Posted by Senzura

People get mad when you try and suggest things, careful. At this point it doesn't seem to be position. Its most likely a mechanic.

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ive noticed:d but at this point it seems like its the best thing to do even if people don't like it

As the original poster of the debate on Reddit that most are familiar with, I'd like to clarify a few things at this point.

First - I REALLY appreciate SEs formal response on this, which goes to show that with enough discussion, as stated in the thread, we can get some information when things are feeling fishy.

Second - This is about the most detail I think we could expect them to give, so I'm not asking for more, but this doesn't say that the strategy people are using right now is the incorrect one, nor does it atually address the possibility of it just being laggy positional updates. That's not a buggy mechanic, that's the state of the game overall, which is described in a much larger thread with video proof. (Here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...s-everybody%29 ). (cont)

This response does convince me 100% that the mechanic is not buggy, but it DOES NOT convince me 100% that the mechanic is not heavily effected by this issue by being one of the tighter examples of 'move'. However, with SEs response here having cleared up the possibility of 'buggyness' there is a next step. There's been a lot of words passed around about people ignoring people on ideas or people says 'play better' or crying wolf etc. But the fact of the matter is, it's just difficult to address every individual. Instead:

Today I'll be making a thread for Twisters 'ideas' which will SPECIFICALLY need a video showing the idea failed in order to put an X on 'nope doesn't work'. This will also allow us to compare videos where 'no it didn't work' and 'yes it did work the next time' so that more people see why a lot of people on this phase right now are so confused about the inconsistency, and find small differences.

I hate 1000 limit responses. ;_;

When that thread appears I'll ask anyone whose having similar frustrations to help submit videos, and I'll do my best to keep them organized to the thoughts on strategy and linked to the appropriate examples for people to look at/compare/etc.

EDIT: Also, I'll be making the thread soon because I'd like to see the discussion keep forward/productive traction, but yes, I understand Turn 5 is currently offline right now. Anyone with old footage, I encourage you to pick out pieces from it right now while it's the only source we have. Let's cross our fingers that it's back up soon.

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Originally Posted by SonyaArin

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I actually suggested this a while back in the thread. The best way to figure out how to avoid Twisters is simply to see if there is, indeed, a pattern. And to do that people will need to show that part of the fight, preferably from a good angle so that we can see where the twisters are with respect to the boss, the other players, and even the arena itself, I guess. If any of those solutions pan out, then we'll know where the dead-zones are in the arena (as in, where no Twister will ever appear).

lol @ SE basically telling everyone to get good.

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Originally Posted by Mysteltain

If any of those solutions pan out, then we'll know where the dead-zones are in the arena (as in, where no Twister will ever appear).

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To address this one quickly, the reason a lot of 'where are the dead zones' didn't receive a lot of word is because after trying a large portion of different arrangements, stackings, flanks, spreads etc, it just always targeted the same number of people period. Regardless of whether or not I think the mechanic is laggy, I feel a lot more confident saying I don't believe it's a zone, but something else that decides whether or not the people that DID get picked just explode. If it were a zone, if everyone was in the zone, presumably all 8 would blow up, and if everyone was out, no one would blow up.

Just some initial remarks on that, but when we start posting videos we can still address this thought, not really going to just 'assume' anything at this point but I think what I mean will be clear.

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Is Twister always a one-hit-kill, then? Or do some people randomly survive it sometimes?

I'll go into more detail, as that reddit video doesn't show this too clearly (since no one survived), but here is what it boils down to/why a lot of groups thing it's a lag thing.

1) She casts Twister, has a channel bar.
2) People do some form of 'run out'.
3) Twister channel ends. Green tornadoes appear on the ground. Sometimes, these appear right under you as the cast ends, and you blow up (no damage, you just die). Sometimes, these appear behind you ALONG YOUR RUN PATH (hence the 'oh the server thought I was here the entire time' lag issue, etc).
4) There is always the same total of tornadoes, regardless of where we all started.

The general 'strat' right now and the reason people feel it might be lag is because you will have one pull where you use a pretty simple 'fan out as she casts', and all the people targeted will all survive it say, 2-3 times in a row. Then the next cast you do the same thing, and some people get exploded (1-4, not always all).

Edit gah posted in wrong thread please ignore

We will freaking GET GUD as soon as they open up f*cking Turn 5 again. Before they decided to shut it down twister was only a minor problem for us, not even progression blocking.

http://i.imgur.com/L00vmh9.png

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

Next, there have been a lot of comments about how surviving Twintania's "Twister" ability is seemingly random. Please know that it is not random and that the development team has adjusted the difficulty of this battle to be of the highest level that is in the game currently. With that said though, it was still designed to be beaten. While we definitely cannot comment on strategy, we believe that a valiant group will be able to defeat Twintania.

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Keep in mind latency must be considered. if I play the game locally, like a developer based team and you have people playing the game all across the world if a single player lags inside of a twister, and successfully get out of it, then you're going to have to consider that. Because this is an online game, and we can't benefit from a local run client with no lag.

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Originally Posted by Alvana

We will freaking GET GUD as soon as they open up f*cking Turn 5 again. Before they decided to shut it down twister was only a minor problem for us, not even progression blocking.

http://i.imgur.com/L00vmh9.png

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Could easily be a picture of a glitched Twintantia HP bar. Nothing really proven here without more evidence.