Yoshi P to Mr.Happy "Heal DPS is not mandatory and no expectation for Healer to DPS!"

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Originally Posted by kattzkitti

That mechanic only exists in that one specific dungeon, and 99% of people aren't even aware of it because it isn't explained anywhere. No other dungeon has a mechanic like that.

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2 dungeons and a hunt mob actually that I can think of off the top of my head and no it is not described so an easy mechanic to miss. I do hope for more stuff like this in game though as it was rather fun even if some people don't take time to learn things enough to understand why someone is doing something :)

Boy this is a fast moving thread...

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Originally Posted by Elim

Elitist is a compliment so thanks. Also being called a jerk or d-bag makes me giggle so thanks for that too.

How is doing nothing for a large chunk of a dungeon not lazy? If anyone can answer that... I don't blame the players for their behaviour though, I blame SE for making healing so easy that it's possible to be lazy.

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No, Elitist isn't a compliment, elite is.

Elitist (noun) - a person who believes that a society or system should be led by an elite.
"critics portray him as an out-of-touch elitist"
synonyms: aristocrat, blue blood; snob
Elitist (adjective)
1.
relating to or supporting the view that a society or system should be led by an elite.
"older men with an elitist attitude about music"

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Elite (noun) - 1.
(often used with a plural verb) the choice or best of anything considered collectively, as of a group or class of persons.
2.
(used with a plural verb) persons of the highest class:
Only the elite were there.

Elite (adjective)
representing the most choice or select; best:
an elite group of authors.

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Being labeled or grouped as an elitist is not a compliment. Being counted among the elite players on the other hand is a compliment. The two things are NOT synonymous.

Honestly, since there is no actual enforcement on whether healers should or shouldn't DPS, with the words of a developer saying they don't expect them to, and a GM informing it's fine to kick folks for differing playstyle, this is a heavy grey area. So all in all, it'll come down to the community.

I main tank, as a tank I hold aggro, I use my cooldowns to stay alive, and I do my best to put out the highest damage output I can because I should be giving all the contribution I can. When I DPS I do all I can to kill things the quickest, I use utility to keep the group alive just a bit better like mantra on monk or a instant cast res while on summoner to keep the group rolling. While healing I keep the group alive and reduce damage where I can, and on top of that I DPS when it's good to do so.

I'm on the side that they should DPS when it's feasible, obviously there's another group who thinks they shouldn't have to unless they want to. But the community will in the end choose, and judging by the fact when I wish to vote kick a healer who's been asked to do more and refuses to, and nine out of ten times it goes through, a fair majority do believe healers should give their all. Plain and simple

Mind you, there are dungeons like vault that make it very hard to do so, certain boss fights that can make it very hard as well, or just massive trash pulls a tank may do that makes it very challenging to fit in DPS. Under any of those circumstances I have no expectations they should DPS if they're not comfortable doing so. But if you're able to stand there doing hardly a thing while everyone else is actively doing their roles, you deserve a kick. That goes for DPS who are being slow and lazy, that goes for tanks that don't wanna try to hold aggro or stay alive.

Pandora's box is opened once more. Lazy to read the whole thread but i assume it's the same shitshow, different section.

Always the same thing everytimes, you have the extreme that're so stuck up about healer dps or people that don't play to "their level" that they're abusing the kick system just because they can and then you have the other extreme that are hellbent on not dpsing even with Stormblood making it even simpler to do so, but decide not to because "its not their jobs" or in that case, because YoshiP said "its not expected of Healer to DPS"(even though he's..neutral?). Both sides are just laughable.

At least there seem to be quite a few neutral folks, good.

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Originally Posted by Yurimi

2 dungeons and a hunt mob actually that I can think of off the top of my head and no it is not described so an easy mechanic to miss. I do hope for more stuff like this in game though as it was rather fun even if some people don't take time to learn things enough to understand why someone is doing something :)

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Feel free to list those dungeons and explain what the mechanics are.

Healers that don't dps will always be sub-par and nothing anyone says will change that.

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Originally Posted by IllyriaKnotfred

If you don't wanna dps as a healer, find a group of 3 people and queue with a group that won't care you're being lazy. Don't just anonymously join a group and expect people to be okay with you being lazy. That's why I kick those healers.

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That's obviously fine for this game. I'm just pointing out how stupid their basis has always been, since it means the opposite is possible in an unbiased approach. Poor management doesn't even begin to describe the many situations of potential/plausible abuse associated with the game.

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Originally Posted by Lexia

The sad part about this thread is it not even 24 hours old and already 64 pages

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Well we are talking about a topic that repeatedly provides facts that contradicts peoples subjective outlook, yet is clearly being viewed as objective, so they need to justify themselves over it to somehow still remain "right" in their eyes. IMO, they need to just accept it and move on. Facts are facts, no matter what they think. Thankfully for them, learning to accept it does literally nothing negative and requires no change of how they choose to play. It's the equivalent of trivia. The only thing these facts do is prevent them from stating their opinions as fact... which means it literally fulfilled what a purpose for facts is.

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Originally Posted by Areic

Agreed

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I have no problem with healers being super cautious and only dpsing very minimally because they aren't comfortable. I'm fine with that. What I'm not fine with is the "I WONT DPS AT ALL, I ROLLED HEALER TO HEAL!" mentality.

I main Blm. I have various support at my disposal, Apocatastasis for example. If I had the attitude of "I played Blm to dps! Not support!" I would never use this amazing ability. So healers making excuses as to not use abilities other than heals is infuriating.

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Originally Posted by SigmaOZ

I'm glad the Producer feels this way, no one can force a Healer to DPS and vote-kicking them for such reason should be punishable by the Game Masters, regardless of the "different play-styles" excuse!...

You do realize that vote-kicking for a different play-style reason goes both ways right!?... Both parties have equal rights and can use the same excuse to punish the "offenders"!...

That is why there should be a requirement to write a small report on the incidents explaining the reasons for vote-kicking anyone during a duty!...

Ultimately Healers are there to keep the party alive and burdening them even more in order to DPS should be their decision alone!...

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Except, Yoshi P's stance is a neutral one from a developer's standpoint where he can't officially support one play style over the other. The game is pretty much designed with the intention of Healers doing DPS, they just can't make it mandatory as that would likely involve making the game too difficult for the target demographic. Also, if vote-kicking Healers for not DPS'ing becomes punishable, then that would by logic lead to allowing DPS to do the bare minimum DPS as well wouldn't it? At the very least, it would allow tanks to pull more than the healer can handle and not be kicked for it as that could be their play-style and if you can't kick for different play-style without being punished by a GM, then well this will likely happen. I know whenever I see a healer not doing any DPS, I will begin making bigger and bigger pulls and create a situation where 100% healing up time is needed.

Different play-styles isn't an excuse, it is part of the MMO culture. People have to learn to live with it, that includes all the kicks that are justified by it.

Any official comment is moot by the difference in playstyle clause and I will continue to kick lazy players.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Too many players in this game treat the game like some kind of job or chore where every second is 'money' and if you take a minute more on a dungeon than expected, it's the end of the world and everyone else is just 'terribad' because of the extra minute.

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Time is a person's most valuable commodity. Most people don't like having it wasted.

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Originally Posted by Archvile78

Pandora's box is opened once more. Lazy to read the whole thread but i assume it's the same shitshow, different section.

Always the same thing everytimes, you have the extreme that're so stuck up about healer dps or people that don't play to "their level" that they're abusing the kick system just because they can and then you have the other extreme that are hellbent on not dpsing even with Stormblood making it even simpler to do so, but decide not to because "its not their jobs" or in that case, because YoshiP said "its not expected of Healer to DPS". Both sides are just laughable.

At least there seem to be quite a few neutral folks, good.

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The simple point of view here is the best. Everyone play to the best of their ability and do what you can to support the team. Assume everyone else is doing that. And as Bill & Ted taught us many years ago, be excellent to each other. I mean really, it's a game we're meant to play together, cooperate and enjoy the result, why does it have to become so adversarial?

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

Time is a person's most valuable commodity. Most people don't like having it wasted.

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Then stop playing video games which are by definition a waste of time.

This thread has probably come full circle every twenty or so pages.

Essentially, Yoshi-P's stance does nothing to change the meta.

People who don't DPS are likely to continue not DPSing (in spite of the fact that it is more streamlined as of 4.0), and they will occasionally be kicked. Some people will accept a vastly sub-optimal playstyle while others will not.

So long as vote kick continues to be a function in the game, people will decide with their votes on a party-to-party basis.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Then stop playing video games which are by definition a waste of time.

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Games aren't a waste of time though, not any more at least; I find that definition to be rather archaic.

Aside from being capable of benefiting a person mental health through the socialization aspect that most games have nowadays, people can make rather meaningful relationships. I've personally met a number of people whose social connection can actually benefit me professionally as we study/work in the same field through playing games. Building these social relationships can be very beneficial in more ways than one and should disqualify game from being considered a waste of time.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Boy this is a fast moving thread...



No, Elitist isn't a compliment, elite is.

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http://www.dictionary.com/browse/elitist

Elitist is a compliment to me. :3

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Originally Posted by Elim

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/elitist

Elitist is a compliment to me. :3

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Make sure you read those definitions and understand that by definition, you are being egotistical and deliberately misconstruing the definition of Elitist to suit your own ego.

Kicking a healer for NOT dpsing is the most deluded and MORONIC thing anyone can do and deserve to be reported for harassment.

Dpsing is OPTIONAL get that right in your head.

Here are the facts:

The game creator gave an opinion and not a rule

Thus the playerbase can accept or deny the opinion.


People acting like Word of God is an absolute. kek.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Then stop playing video games which are by definition a waste of time.

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..... Allowing oneself to have leisure activities is not a waste of time. Allowing others to overly influence the value you get out of that commitment is a waste of time.

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Originally Posted by Mature

Kicking a healer for NOT dpsing is the most deluded and MORONIC thing anyone can do and deserve to be reported for harassment.

Dpsing is OPTIONAL get that right in your head.

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No, it is justified as being a difference in play style. It is like kicking a DPS for only going 1-2-3 over and over, ignoring a proper rotation or a tank for pulling every mob from beginning to end. Healer DPS is optional, but it is intended. You have the right to not DPS as a healer, but in return others have the right to kick you for not DPS'ing as a healer. If you want Healer DPS to be optional, those are the terms you must abide by.

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

Here are the facts:

The game creator gave an opinion and not a rule

Thus the playerbase can accept or deny the opinion.


People acting like Word of God is an absolute. kek.

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It's pretty entertaining though. /popcorn

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

Time is a person's most valuable commodity. Most people don't like having it wasted.

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True, but it doesn't mean people shouldn't take accountability for their failure to understand the situations they put themselves in. If you're going to DF without a pre-made, you're running the risk of encountering "trouble." Time is a subjective argument and one that really shouldn't be expressed unless an extreme variance occurs (20min content that becomes 60min). The reason I say that is because you run into a common hypocrisy with that argument, in that gear differences also determine time wasted. You justify the idea that someone would rightfully be able to complain/kick/whatever that people are not equipped in the best gear available to make their run faster.

Time is a commodity that is only real world relevant (as in it's a variable that also takes us out of the game). If someone knows the freeway is going to be backed up, yet also knows alternative routes exist that will probably be faster, but they still decide to take the freeway, is this person not accountable for their decisions/actions? I'd say they don't have much right to blame others for their stupidity, if it truly matters that much to them.

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Originally Posted by missybee

This thread has probably come full circle every twenty or so pages.

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I'm waiting for it to hit 151 pages to make a OG pokemon joke.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Make sure you read those definitions and understand that by definition, you are being egotistical and deliberately misconstruing the definition of Elitist to suit your own ego.

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I enjoy being considered superior. People use it as an insult but they're still admitting to my superiority so it's all good in my book!

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Originally Posted by Mature

Kicking a healer for NOT dpsing is the most deluded and MORONIC thing anyone can do and deserve to be reported for harassment.

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No point wasting Customer Supports time with useless reports, we are allowed to kick people for "different playstyles".

And besides, if you find that many groups kicking you out, maybe it'd be time to improve something.

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Originally Posted by Yahallo

No, it is justified as being a difference in play style. It is like kicking a DPS for only going 1-2-3 over and over, ignoring a proper rotation or a tank for pulling every mob from beginning to end. Healer DPS is optional, but it is intended. You have the right to not DPS as a healer, but in return others have the right to kick you for not DPS'ing as a healer. If you want Healer DPS to be optional, those are the terms you must abide by.

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Dpsing as a healer IS and will always be optional. Get that right in your head. I will understand kicking a healer for NOT healing , yes he is NOT doing his job as intended but for not doing something NOT mandatory is idiotic.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

A simple statement to the effect that healer DPS isn't mandatory should not be the spark that ignites so much anger and ignorance.

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Why not? There is a significant contingent of people who have repeatedly defended even the absurd extreme that healers shouldn't deal damage on principle alone. It's natural that any official statement addressing the issue will, therefore, spark the debate anew- because there are a lot of individuals taking patently irrational positions.

It's the same reason that Trump posting on Twitter routinely causes an uproar. As long as there are large numbers of people in the country willing to go along with his clown act, as long as he sits in the White House, even trivial comments will spark loud debate. I agree that Yoshi P's comment wasn't big enough to have created a debate in and of itself, but the debate has been here for awhile now. It serving as a spark seems quite logical.

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Of course, I consider it willful ignorance when people start describing players who do not DPS to their standards as lazy or bad. There are so many factors that go into whether a given player feels comfortable throwing more or less DPS into the mix. To me it's extremely small minded to start making arbitrary decisions about other players based on whether they DPS enough when they are healing.

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This is misleading and wrongheaded. Nobody has been arguing that Healer classes should meet some artificial level of DPS. Nobody.

People have, however, pushed back (quite rightly) against the idea that healers should only be expected to heal. Any rational examination of this issue concludes that, for the vast bulk of content, there is some amount of damage that any active healer will be able to put out. That line varies on the healer, on their party, and on the content - but it is almost always a non-zero quantity. Stunningly, people continue to argue this point, effectively backing the idea that Healer classes are permitted to be lazy.

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Frankly, since a healer is balancing their gear level, their MP level, the speed of the run, the size of the pulls, the ability of the tank to withstand damage and their own level of comfort in terms of where they want to keep other players health levels, they are the only ones in a position to determine how much DPS is appropriate for them do throw into the mix. Anyone else attempting to impose their standard on healers is unaware of all those details as well as the circumstances in any given fight. Which is why people need to just stop this stupidity about healer DPS and measure instances based on simple criteria like, did we clear it? Did we wipe? How many people fell and were raised?

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I disagree here. People should be judged on performance, not on how well they did the "bare minimum" - as is the case with anything else in life. That means making an effort; it means giving a sh*t about playing your job well. For Healer classes, outside of very specific fights or spectacularly bad tanks / damage dealers, that means dealing some amount of damage. The variables you mentioned dictate how much damage will be dealt, sure, but they don't serve as an effective excuse for not dealing any.

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Personally, as a tank I judge instances based on how long trash lasts, how many times do I see boss mechanics cycle around, and did we clear. In all honesty when I see an instance taking significantly longer than normal or boss mechanics cycling an unusual number of times; it's not the healer I am looking at it's the DPS. Let's be honest, if the DPS is sorely lacking then it's either a playing ability, playing effort or gear issue. All 3 of those tend to also impact the amount of healing required by the DPS player(s), and due to the length of the fights, it will also result in more healing needed for the tank and healer themselves. Net result, healer has less time and MP to throw into DPS. Is that something to blame the healer for? Nope. Is it something to blame the DPS for? Nope - unless they are obviously being deliberate in their inability to play or gear.

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I agree with this statement, but it's also hard not to notice a healer sitting at full MP doing nothing but tossing out unnecessary heals on top of their HoT abilities. That demonstrates a lack of skill and a lack of effort, and people are rightly criticized for it. It usually won't make the difference between a wipe and success, but it does make a noticeable difference in the overall speed and smoothness of a run.

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Too many players in this game treat the game like some kind of job or chore where every second is 'money' and if you take a minute more on a dungeon than expected, it's the end of the world and everyone else is just 'terribad' because of the extra minute.

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I don't get the impression that anyone's venting about how long dungeons take. That is likely the motivation for some people, but the bulk of the commentary is focused on the issue that healing requires maybe 25-30% of a person's time in most situations. As such, they either twiddle their thumbs, or contribute via damage during their idle cycles. It's a respect issue; by not dealing damage as a healer, a player is effectively saying they're allowed to be lazy while everyone else has to put forward effort. That's objectionable to many people.

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Enough ranting from me. I'm just tired of all the cross role enmity that we see on display in this community and the judgemental attitudes of so very many players. This is a video game, we're meant to enjoy playing it, so perhaps we should all relax a little?

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I'm a healer myself, and yet the idea of healers not dealing damage really bothers me. It places a stain on the role that I choose to play, a stain that influences how people view my job and role. I don't like that. The enmity isn't always cross-role.

As for relaxing, that's a good point - but I happen to enjoy a good debate, and I'm also bothered by incompetence or laziness. So, this is an issue that tends to rile me up a bit.

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Originally Posted by Mature

Dpsing as a healer IS and will always be optional. Get that right in your head. I will understand kicking a healer for NOT healing , yes he is NOT doing his job as intended but for not doing something NOT mandatory is idiotic.

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I said it was optional, however, kicking a healer for not healing isn't idiotic. There are other people other than the healer. If they find that having a healer who doesn't DPS isn't enjoyable for them and that they would rather try to get a new healer, they have the right to do so as the play style of the group doesn't match the play style of the healer. This is resolved in a vote; if the group finds that the healer doesn't match with their play style then they are kicked, if not they stay. It is as simple as that. This has always been a part of MMO culture, people have to learn to live with it and learn that they won't always get what they want. The Pro-Healer-DPS camp won't get the Healer DPS being mandatory like that want, but the Healer No-DPS camp won't get the immunity to vote kicks that they want. It's a fair trade-off.

Healer DPS Camp:
+ Gets the ability to kick healers who only heal and not DPS.
- Must accept that it is not mandatory for healers to DPS and thus their vote kicks may not always go through as the other members of their party may feel otherwise.

Healer Only Heals Cap:
+ Gets to have DPS as an optional task
- Must accept that they can be kicked for not DPS'ing if their heal only style doesn't match with the group's overall play style.

It is a case of the one adapting to the many or leaving. It is as simple as that. No one camp gets exactly what they want.

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Originally Posted by Malkomia

Ok, so if dps is not mandatory for healers, then i will choose as a tank to stop dpsing, if i will be far ahead in my aggro next time.
My Job as a tank is to hold aggro and lower incoming damage for me and the rest of the group.
So it is ok for you, if i will be lazy and do nothing but 1-2-3 Combo every 30 secs to hold aggro?
Why you tolerate a lazy healer, who do nothing but heal (mostly overheal) and go dance in no damage phases?
Will you tolerate the lazy tank too? I think i wouldnt tolerate that tank.

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Lets see if you can do that without losing agrro =)

Well I would say Yoshi-P's statement and this thread have done a great job of highlighting the void between dpsing healers and non dpsing healers. I must say the amount of people who defend laziness because the creator of the game does is insane. I honestly can't decide if I want to main SAM in 4.0 so that I can kick all the healers who refuse to dps because "I'm a healer and you don't pay my sub!!!" or just main healer so that I can dps and never have to worry about them.

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Originally Posted by Mature

Dpsing as a healer IS and will always be optional. Get that right in your head. I will understand kicking a healer for NOT healing , yes he is NOT doing his job as intended but for not doing something NOT mandatory is idiotic.

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The fact is though that difference of playstyle is an official stance that does include not DPSing as healers. This is an example of the poor management that the game is under. Contradictory points that are literally left up to the players to decide when to be a douche that's in the right. Yoshi-P says it's not mandatory... an authority figure when it comes to the game... yet he tends to leave it to the players to make decisions that management should be better informed on. Remember when win-trading was a problem? Time to remain with the same easily abused system, but be sure to put your foot down and tell players "please don't do this".

That said, because difference of playstyle is so vague, the opposite is also true in that it seems you can kick healers for DPSing. I'd imagine they're supposed to be unbiased, meaning it's a two-way street on every call. Unlikely to be used as often for that reason, but I'd imagine it's still a thing. I'd call it stupid if that happened, but I say the same thing about being able to kick healers for non-disruptive play (i.e. it doesn't prevent you from completing something). I'd just hope for those who are for the ability to kick for non-DPS healers in any situation, that they don't get angry if someone did the same in the opposite situation.

I know this has probably been said a lot, but...

If all you do is heal, how on earth do you not get bored to tears?

I mean, as a tank, I routinely stance dance (with optimal cd useage of course) and even then the healers I run with regularly need to heal me like... after a tankbuster, maybe. For a really big pull, perhaps once HG falls off? Like, even in Baelsar's Wall once that one reeeeeally tough pull is over (during which I assist, with cover + DV + HG and yes, clemency if I absolutely must) the only big healing requirements are during bosses or if your dps are lagging/like to eat AoEs.

Like... I once solo healed 12n as a very undergeared ast and still had time to throw out some dps. What do you DO with your time? Dance?

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Originally Posted by Mature

Dpsing as a healer IS and will always be optional. Get that right in your head. I will understand kicking a healer for NOT healing , yes he is NOT doing his job as intended but for not doing something NOT mandatory is idiotic.

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This argument is getting tiresome. It's less about whether healer dps is optional or not and more about are you, the player doing everything you possibly can to contribute to the group. The only possible way for them to design this game to where there is zero expectation for healers to dps is to make it so damage done by trash and bosses is more heavy and consistent so that healers won't have time to dps. As long as the game continues with the design of how damage is currently taken, people will be expecting you to contribute outside of healing.

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Originally Posted by Selova

The only possible way for them to design this game to where there is zero expectation for healers to dps is to make it so damage done by trash and bosses is more heavy and consistent so that healers won't have time to dps.

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Nah, there will eventually be times when people overgear and become able to DPS.

The only way to stop the DPS meta is to take away the DPS spells, or make them so ineffective they become a trap choice.

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Originally Posted by Yahallo

I said it was optional, however, kicking a healer for not healing isn't idiotic. There are other people other than the healer. If they find that having a healer who doesn't DPS isn't enjoyable for them and that they would rather try to get a new healer, they have the right to do so as the play style of the group doesn't match the play style of the healer. This is resolved in a vote; if the group finds that the healer doesn't match with their play style then they are kicked, if not they stay. It is as simple as that. This has always been a part of MMO culture, people have to learn to live with it and learn that they won't always get what they want.



It is a case of the one adapting to the many or leaving. It is as simple as that. No one camp gets exactly what they want.

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Thats like saying I dont enjoy au ras in my party so its not enjoyable and thus, im gonna kick you...improve your dps.

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Originally Posted by Yahallo

I said it was optional, however, kicking a healer for not healing isn\\\\\\\\'t idiotic. There are other people other than the healer. If they find that having a healer who doesn\\\\\\\\'t DPS isn\\\\\\\\'t enjoyable for them and that they would rather try to get a new healer, they have the right to do so as the play style of the group doesn\\\\\\\\'t match the play style of the healer.
Healer DPS Camp:
+ Gets the ability to kick healers who only heal and not DPS.
- Must accept that it is not mandatory for healers to DPS and thus their vote kicks may not always go through ...

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Booting them out is actually a great thing to do rather than argue with these lazy leechers in these forums. It\\\\\\\\'s a great way of telling them that their lazy playstyle needs tweaking. Some effort from the healer\\\\\\\\'s side is recommend and makes dungeon runs fair for the other 3, as been said hundred of times.

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Originally Posted by Mirateski

What do you DO with your time? Dance?

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Hop around the outer edge of the arena in between emotes and get offended when asked to be more useful.

Yoshi right now secretly reading this post:

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Originally Posted by Mature

Dpsing as a healer IS and will always be optional. Get that right in your head. I will understand kicking a healer for NOT healing , yes he is NOT doing his job as intended but for not doing something NOT mandatory is idiotic.

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People like you use the word "optionnal" as an excuse to be lazy. To be carried. To do three to four times less work than the other members of the group.
Not doing jack in your group is worthy of a kick. Get that right in your head.

If you think that doing the bare minimum is fine, then be ready to have a surprise when other people think it's not.

But keep insulting everyone of being "idiots" and "morons" if you want. I mean, that's pretty much the only thing you can do anyway.

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Originally Posted by Selova

This argument is getting tiresome. It's less about whether healer dps is optional or not and more about are you, the player doing everything you possibly can to contribute to the group. The only possible way for them to design this game to where there is zero expectation for healers to dps is to make it so damage done by trash and bosses is more heavy and consistent so that healers won't have time to dps. As long as the game continues with the design of how damage is currently taken, people will be expecting you to contribute outside of healing.

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Its not ok if I decide NOT to dps as a healer? do I deserve a kick? tell me please =) base your answer on Yoshi statement, not on your pseudo elitist behavior.