Cash shop confirmed

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Originally Posted by MiniTofu

Honestly, I do not want F2P. I rather have subscriptions. I've been on several F2P games, everything just end up terrible boring at the end.

I believe subscription = better development funding in consistent manner. Rather have a fluctuating development time and money issues in more Free2Play MMOs.

There is no progression on the game content development (in depth) GW2 has bi-weekly update but those contents only lasted 1 day. That is almost nothing. I get bored after I finished every new content under 1 day.

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Well, that is fine as long as it is only subscription. Then you know what you are paying for... but when you have a cash shop and players have no idea what is going into the cash shop vs sub content, it makes the point of a subscription (a fixed known cost for content) completely pointless.

I am wondering how many games had this hybrid model and have lasted very long.....

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Originally Posted by DefendPopPunk

Hmm, why not just add more achievements with mounts or add them to more treasure maps? Kinda lame to say "just spend money" instead of "play the game and you'll eventually find/earn these things."

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This. It's content produced with our money now taken away feom us and re-sold to us shamelessly.

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Originally Posted by 16bitBounty

Were we talking about the expansion? Cause I don't remember talking about the expansion.

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Did you really forget your post on page 62 already where you called myself and two others akin to CoD players who buy four new maps for $15? Y'know, instead of continuously assuming and trying to insult others for reasonably supporting the Dev. Team, why don't you go get a decent argument to stand on instead of, "I don't trust them, they're lying, lalala."

@Seif That is one of the biggest and most flawed arguments ever. Just because the Cash Shop might get one or two items, doesn't mean they would have been in game otherwise. That is an assumption of potential content, not content that was specifically taken away. Yet again, vanity. Stop being so trivial.

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Originally Posted by Shadray

Did they say whether houses could be bought in the shop?

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Wouldn't surprise me to see that down the road. I really don't think they'll try that anytime soon, however.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

Wouldn't surprise me to see that down the road. I really don't think they'll try that anytime soon, however.

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Extra Large Houses are just vanity!

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Originally Posted by Riepah

Wouldn't surprise me to see that down the road. I really don't think they'll try that anytime soon, however.

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Why? It's just Vanity after all. Nbd guys, nbd :)

Everything what is worth playing for is "vanity".

Well, at least we know how they are going to handle bots.... just cut out the middle men and sell things directly.

Very dissapointed to see this.
A game should be either cash-shop OR subs NOT both. Makes you wonder why you bother playing hard for something that just looks cool (as is most of the content right now) when you could just buy something else that looks cool.
I'm only going over the same wounds that other players feel so my posts probably redundant ._.

What if these items in cashshop:

Mounts - This definitely kill progression to hunt and raid RNG. Since you can just get the item with real money.
Dyes - This might be okay... maybe dye packs random colors?
Transfer Service - reasonable...
Fantasia Service - okay
Minions / pets - I don't mind but not sure about the other's opinion who is a minion collector.
Glamour / Skins - NO... this will just kill off some farming gear drops. I am never a fan of buyable skin from cashshop, this will render dungeon run pointless when you are decked out. (I have not been in raid or anything since I have just started playing 1 month ago but I've heard people said certain gears look drops from certain bosses.) If this is not the case well this prove that will hinder the activities in MMO. Everyone will be lazy spending money rather than doing runs.

Great. So now people that enjoy vanity have to pay more to enjoy the game than a player who doesnt? What makes those players better then the others to make them pay less to enjoy the game? How about you make it so we can pay more for +1 weapons and stats? I'm sure the vanity lovers would be okay with that but not the other group this time around.

SE as a 1.0 player who was subbed all of 1.0 and technically supported and cheered you on 2.0, this is more than a slap to the face and a complete greed.

Just going to move to a f2p game, not going to p2p a game with a cash shop with all due respect. Let the fanboys throw their monies at you im not one of them.

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Originally Posted by Kling-Klang

Everything what is worth playing for is "vanity".

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Buying a shirt for 5€ vs bringing all your DoH to 50, bring your desynth to a high enough level to get Mastercraft materia to get the recipe books and pentamelding all your gear to craft a 3 star shirt is the same thing... it's just vanity, it's not pay 2 win because there is no +20STR on it.

Someone go make a petition! https://www.change.org/ maybe... do not go for Free2Play (least I hope not)

Should've not posted on such a hateful thread. Well, if something is going to kill this game it's the players that play this. I'm gonna go and enjoy the game now. Sorry if I made someone feel bad cause I just wanted to give my point of view, seems like it's not acceptable here, peace.

That's what we're looking at in cash stop at start, Tofu. Fast forward a couple months and we have

XP Boosts
Faster than Normal runspeed mounts
Inventory space upgrades
Gamble boxes instead of holiday events
Elite crafting materials that can be gathered nowhere else.


All fine and expected in a free to play environment. Now tack on your $14.99/mo Subscription cost, how you feeling? Little bit nauseous?

Ultimately it's not Yoshida's call. True he is lead of team but even he answers to people higher than he. It may very well be that he didn't want to add a cash shop but if he was told to do so or find a way to make more money from the game. This may have been his answer instead of increasing sub prices. Far fetched I know but it is possible. Business is business. SE isn't obliged to "give" anyone a thing because they pay a sub. You pay rent for an apartment doesn't mean you own it or the things therein. It is the same principle here. Just because you drop fifteen or better a month doesn't entitle you nor I to a thing other than the time we purchased. And even that is subject to SE's desires.

That being said as long as it is kept fair to everyone in that nothing that affects progression is sold I am okay with it. Though I am certain I am going to be hated on for using my brain instead of my emotions. So be it. /popcorn

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Originally Posted by MiniTofu

What if these items in cashshop:
... maybe dye packs random colors?

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Please, no. I don't mind a cash shop, but the only thing worse than a cash shop, is a RNG-cash shop.

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Originally Posted by Aegys

Please, no. I don't mind a cash shop, but the only thing worse than a cash shop, is a RNG-cash shop.

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I know, TERA Online RNG cashshop is just plain money drainer.

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Originally Posted by 16bitBounty

That's what we're looking at in cash stop at start, Tofu. Fast forward a couple months and we have

XP Boosts
Faster than Normal runspeed mounts
Inventory space upgrades
Gamble boxes instead of holiday events
Elite crafting materials that can be gathered nowhere else.


All fine and expected in a free to play environment. Now tack on your $14.99/mo Subscription cost, how you feeling? Little bit nauseous?

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There's those assumptions again.

I think I've wasted enough time here. If people are confronted with reasonable fact and just want to keep on making assumptions based on fear or non-MMO games, there's no point in even bothering.


@Teirshin EA is desperate for money because they've been losing money for years. (Star Wars Online? Sim City? Yeah..) SE on the other hand, is back on the up-side.

Unless this starts affecting the game directly, there really isn't a problem with cosmetic items.

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Originally Posted by 16bitBounty

That's what we're looking at in cash stop at start, Tofu. Fast forward a couple months and we have

XP Boosts
Faster than Normal runspeed mounts
Inventory space upgrades
Gamble boxes instead of holiday events
Elite crafting materials that can be gathered nowhere else.


All fine and expected in a free to play environment. Now tack on your $14.99/mo Subscription cost, how you feeling? Little bit nauseous?

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can u also predict the numbers for the lottery pls?? that be great

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Originally Posted by MiniTofu

Someone go make a petition! https://www.change.org/ maybe... do not go for Free2Play (least I hope not)

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They won't as long as people are happy with paying both the sub and the cash shop things. And, from the looks of it, there's many that do (even if I still don't understand it, but whatever). More moneyz for them.

So, I hope that everyone enjoys this double dipping, because it's not going to change - if anything, it will get worse. We warned you when they introduced the extra retainers...

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Teirshin. Teirshin look at me. Teirshin I swear to you. I swear Teirshin. I will never. Not ever. Buy a Cash Shop item from Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn. You hear me Teirshin? You read me clearly? Teirshin? You understand Teirshin? Teirshin?

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<gives you an acorn cookie>

Its true though, tons of people will post here bitching, but the moment they can click "buy", they'll do it.

Is it any wonder most games today ship with microtransactions of some sort? EA is targeting to make $1 Billion for DLC.... so dont you think for one second SE isnt going to try and make a cash grab as best they can too. And this is only the beginning of it.....

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Originally Posted by Zohnax

There's those assumptions again.

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that happened in absolutely every other MMO that went down this road.....I'd call it "an educated guess" more than a plain assumption

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Originally Posted by Yshnal

They won't as long as people are happy with paying both the sub and the cash shop things. And, from the looks of it, there's many that do (even if I still don't understand it, but whatever). More moneyz for them.

So, I hope that everyone enjoys this double dipping, because it's not going to change - if anything, it will get worse. We warned you when they introduced the extra retainers...

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Really hope not going to Archeage route... that MMO has been discriminating between F2P players and P2P players really sad.

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Originally Posted by Erepio

can u also predict the numbers for the lottery pls?? that be great

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Could you show me a single example of any game with a cash shop that doesn't have those kinds of things in it?

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Originally Posted by Zohnax

There's those assumptions again.

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They're good guesses and may end up happening if SE follows the trends of other MMOs.

Another guess: SE may start to purposely make all dropped/tome/endgame/crafting gear extremely ugly and only release good looking gear in the cash shop. Then they'll put a bunch of the good looking gear in a gambling box so you only have a random chance of getting them. Also the gambling boxes only give you one piece of a gear set at a time. This happens in SW:TOR so it's not a far fetched idea. lol

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Originally Posted by Kiroh

Could you show me a single example of any game with a cash shop that doesn't have those kinds of things in it?

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nope...but then again we arent talking about any game, and also all those games that have em are F2P..WoW only did it just recently, and heck they even had a somewhat decent reason to give that lvl90 item..we are talking about FFXIV:ARR


look:

Until they actually do it, ill keep telling you they might not do it
If they do it, ill stop paying a sub and move on


its as simple as that

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Originally Posted by Kiroh

Could you show me a single example of any game with a cash shop that doesn't have those kinds of things in it?

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Don't bother, they are in denial. All the major games have gone just like this. This is one of the very few last sub games, and the media has repeatedly asked when the game would move to this model.

Now it is actually happening, and some people want to still pretend that it could never happen here.

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Originally Posted by Zohnax

There's those assumptions again.

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The forum goers are composed largely of hardcore/casual/middle ground mmorpgers who have probably been around since the the UO days. I would not discredit what is being said so quickly. You might take what is being said as nonsensical babbling of troubled minds, but perhaps they see not just the trees but the entire forest said trees occupy. There have been many "assumptions" made in the past that came true here. I can't say I blame them for being so upset. If you've seen the same situation occure again and again.. One that had a negative impact on something you supported time and again you would eventually develope an awareness that some stuff may or may not end up happening again.. All likelihood pointing toward the former.

Namingway Cards or Riot!

Really hope not going to Archeage route... that MMO has been discriminating between F2P players and P2P players really sad. (Pay 2 Win)
Really hope not going to TERA Online route... that MMO has been money drainer on RNG lottery cashshop.
Really hope not going to Guild Wars 2 route... that MMO has been utter boring, everything runs off on cashshop, no point of farming or runs. Partially pay to win convenient items and services.
Really hope not going to Ragnarok Online 2 route..pay to win.
Really hope not going to Maplestory route. pay to win.
Really hope not going to World of Warcraft (not classic vanilla) route... everything is dumped down casual for easy players and increase sub price while dropping every aspect of the original features.
Really hope not going to Aion Online route.. partially pay to win speed things up.
Really hope not going to Cabal Online route... pay for materials...
Really hope not going to Rift route..
Really hope not going to Elder Scroll Online route..

I love your points. After reading all of the arguments, I started to think that some of these people are SE employees. I can't believe people care about what's best for SE.

Really hope not going to SWTOR route.. ... money money money! Free = very limited.

I have no words for The Secret World since I didn't play much into it same for WildStar... other Lineage I, II, Everquest, EQ2, GW1 are dated to argue anything with it.

I don't mind the optional item shop. I supported the game back in 1.0 when and got Legacy. I only pay $7.99 a month for the 8 char per server with the 6 month deal. Now then that is already a $3 a month discount vs normal price. If I want to support the game and buy some pets or mounts I like, for $5 a pop I don't mind already paying less for a monthly fee. This is actually better then buying an overpriced $40 plushie or a $60 soundtrack to get the code for mini pets. I already paid $20 for the mog suit, when I didn't care much about the HD stream.

DLC is pretty much the norm for the game industry which is why I am not really surprised to see it in FFXIV. The most successful MMO has done a store like this for the past 4 years and it has been very successful for them. I use to be against buying extra stuff and DLC but then my attitude changed then I started buying. I pretty much bought everything they sold in FFXII-2 and Lightning Returns on the PS Store because I liked those games and I wanted the extra weapons and outfits. Selling extras in the store isn't going away so I thought I embrace it, gaming isn't the same as it was 20 years ago and times change.

If you don't want to support it then you don't have to buy anything from the store. Its entirely optional.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Selling extras in the store isn't going away so I thought I embrace it, gaming isn't the same as it was $20 years ago and times change.

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You know, here I am getting all bent out of shape about this Cash Shop and really...you're dead on. It's unavoidable, like bemoaning about Cell Phones and the Internet. It's the way it works now. Is it still a quality game? Yes. Still good, cool people playing it? Yep. Its not the end of Eorzea, this game is still a baby after all. Thanks for the baking soda on this grease fire.

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Originally Posted by Akubikumo

You know, here I am getting all bent out of shape about this Cash Shop and really...you're dead on. It's unavoidable, like bemoaning about Cell Phones and the Internet. It's the way it works now. Is it still a quality game? Yes. Still good, cool people playing it? Yep. Its not the end of Eorzea, this game is still a baby after all. Thanks for the baking soda on this grease fire.

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Same here guys. I've just wrapped my head around it, and learnt to accept it. It seems the popular thing to do nowadays. Everything has DLC content, even with single player games and whatnot. I know it isn't the same, but I've got over it now. I'm hoping they give us really nice vanity designs in the cashshop.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

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and in the 8th hour on the 68th page the sad truth of the world was revealed

I have a feeling the cash shop will expand to include the following:

1. Golden Saucer tokens
2. Triple Triad card packs - random packs you open hoping to get that one card you are missing.
3. Chocobo raising and racing
4. Personal Houses?! lol..
5. Relic weapon glow dyes (I'd probably sink my cash into this one though tbh)

I still can't believe there are so many people who ok with saying "yeah I'll pay more money for the things I got for free before"
You just want to be ripped off and have no issue with it

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Originally Posted by IveraIvalice

I still can't believe there are so many people who ok with saying "yeah I'll pay more money for the things I got for free before"
You just want to be ripped off and have no issue with it

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We live in a society where people need to get the latest phone every year because a marketing team told them they needed it. Are you that surprised?