Paladin vs Warrior - ARR better set roles!

Pld was not used because of the speedrun elements in everything. In terms of hate generation and negating dmg pld was better in most events in a skilled players hands.

For most boss fights I see pld as being superior tank when you remove the requirement of finishing the dungeons in 17/25mins.

War is better for non-bosses when killing multiple things comes into play. But it trades def for the dmg. Makes the fight more risky if something goes abnormally. Ask your whms you is easier to keep alive if you have any doubts.

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Originally Posted by Reika

You never did it with one party?

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One party? Yes. PLD > WHM > fill the rest with drg's / mnk's ... :/

I didnt know ppl lets WAR tank at 17min CC run, AV was the only place where WAR is viable even then PLD can do 17min run just fine.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

For most boss fights I see pld as being superior tank when you remove the requirement of finishing the dungeons in 17/25mins.

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PLD holds better hate. DD's can go harder. Fight ends quicker. The watery hate that WAR provides means everyone in the party has to hold back. The higher the #1 person on the hate list is, the more damage your whole party can do. IMHO

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

I didnt know ppl lets WAR tank at 17min CC run, AV was the only place where WAR is viable even then PLD can do 17min run just fine.

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Eh, pretty much beat me to it.

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

I didnt know ppl lets WAR tank at 17min CC run, AV was the only place where WAR is viable even then PLD can do 17min run just fine.

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this, 100%

and once we made the switch from war to pld it enabled us to burn down CC and MM that much faster, so our times actually improved

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Originally Posted by Altena

My question about these dungeons you are talking about - how many players are in there? If we are talking 12+ players then yes I am all for seeing 2 tanks in there for more complex battle content.. However for now, I don't see a "2 tank" scenario fitting in with the typical content we have currently seen in XIV both in 1.0 and the alpha videos.

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10 man runs. 2 tanks, 3 healers, 5 DPS.

Scaling it down to 8-man you can have it be 2 tanks, 2 healers, a bard and 3 DPS. Could change that to 4 DPS if buffs become a little more spread out to not make the bard mandatory (assuming mages are given MP refund mechanics or additional help to restore MP in the middle of a fight).

Having an 8-man boss fight requiring two tanks is not much of a stretch, really.

ARR is going to have 24m raids however. Yoshida called the dungeons 'raids' at one point, but to me they were always just party dungeons and 1.0 had no real raids.

Also in WoW, which duelle is talking about, they did away with the 'this is aoe tank and this is boss tank' after burning crusade. PLD was the aoe tank, warrior or druid were main boss tanks, druid having stupidly high HP but lost it quicker because it couldnt block or parry, only dodge. After Wrath launched, they all changed to perform any tanking task, in their own way. However, it was still better not have the same class as both tanks. The game also had 25m versions of raids which saw less since 10m is easier to form and offered most of the same loot, just less of it.

I just hope they rev up the Paladin. It was my favorite Class in 1.0. But lesbionest. Paladan was pretty sucky in 1.0. It was pretty much a warrior but not nearly as good. I can't count how many times in forming a party or joining a party where everyone was like, "A paladin sounds like a good idea!" Then we go, "Well sometimes doing crack sounds like a good idea then I think, better not."

anyone claiming paladin was a bad tank or inferior to warrior after the update in march or april or whenever it was, and especially after the nerf to steel cyclone... is wrong

just flat out wrong.

stop perpetuating the myth.

They need to give PLD a DEF upgrade like mad and more MP.