Square Enix should retire the relic quests with Endwalker

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

So in other words, I don't wanna change a thing in how I play and still get relics for it.
That's literally what the current relic is.

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How is the literacy rate on this forum so bad? I swear you guys are just arguing against your schizophrenic delusions of the things I post, you're not even reading the contents.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

How is the literacy rate on this forum so bad? I swear you guys are just arguing against your schizophrenic delusions of the things I post, you're not even reading the contents.

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So if there's no relic, do you not do what you wanna do? You said you like it because you can do whatever content you choose. How is that different with or without a relic?

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

So if there's no relic, do you not do what you wanna do? You said you like it because you can do whatever content you choose. How is that different with or without a relic?

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The relic gives me a medium to long term goal to work towards and I can contribute to it by playing the things I like. Logging in and having a daily plan of things I want to do just affects that day, a relic stretches that out to a few days or weeks.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Perhaps some players don't.

Those who want to change how they play to get the relic had options to do that.

Again, we run into the difficulty of players having different ideas about what a relic is. Some only see it as fun glamour, others see it as a symbol of effort.

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I personally think we already have enough participation medals.
But this, like everything else I say, is my opinion. I get it that others may have different mindsets but that doesn't change my opinion.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

The relic gives me a medium to long term goal to work towards and I can contribute to it by playing the things I like. Logging in and having a daily plan of things I want to do just affects that day, a relic stretches that out to a few days or weeks.

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You and I have very different definitions of medium to long term. I don't think something you can complete at the same time as your weekly tomes adds anything to my gaming experience.

But hey, glad you're enjoying the game and getting borderline free handouts.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

The relic gives me a medium to long term goal to work towards and I can contribute to it by playing the things I like. Logging in and having a daily plan of things I want to do just affects that day, a relic stretches that out to a few days or weeks.

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2 hours of hunt trains sure is a lot to "work towards" lmao

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

2 hours of hunt trains sure is a lot to "work towards" lmao

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2 hours is generous too. If you do them back to back, you can finish it in 3 trains (if one is SHB due to instances) which you can do in an hour.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

This time we each had the choice to make the farm something fun to our individual tastes but evidently makes the process less satisfying to those who need to feel like they were forced to be satisfied or who automatically choose efficiency over fun for the sake of getting their reward faster.

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And those people absolutely confuse me. Chosing to do something you don't like because it's faster, and then complaining that it was too short is so strange.
It's like they want SE to put up guard rails to keep them from burning themselves out on the game because they have no self control other than getting their rewards as soon as possible regardless of any amount of enjoyment.
The new technique probably needs work on the amount of tomes needed but being able to do any level cap content and making some progress is great.

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

2 hours is generous too. If you do them back to back, you can finish it in 3 trains (if one is SHB due to instances) which you can do in an hour.

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I remembered clearing all 19 relics within 10-12 days of semi-afking (yep, playing like a true XIV player lol) at major city aetheryte every steps & only tabbing into game when the hunt discord notifies me. I guess the upside is I can double duty while I work my irl job in another window? Lmao.

Even if I want to prolong it by omitting Hunt Trains at all, clearing all daily roulettes will take me at least 39 days (ignoring MSR & Frontline) not including the causality gained from new player bonus, WT (if you even pick that 500 tome), or running the EW ARs for coins in those time & the weekly NR tokens. So that’s uhh… two full rotation of roulettes for 1 relic step? Lol

This just pales in comparison to any older relic steps. Even macro crafting splendor relics are far more engaging than even this within the same expansion.

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

I personally think we already have enough participation medals.
But this, like everything else I say, is my opinion. I get it that others may have different mindsets but that doesn't change my opinion.

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It's those participation medals that drive players interest in content.

Past or present, the relic was nothing more than a participation medal.

Savage mount? Participation medal.

Ultimate weapon? Participation medal.

Until players learn to value what they do more than what they get, rewards are just participation medals.

The gaming industry learned a long time ago that the average MMO player does not appreciate a game that hands out medals for 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc.

They remain in PvP because it drives the competition aspect. PvE content is rarely meant to be competitive outside of organized tournaments.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

I remembered clearing all 19 relics within 10-12 days of semi-afking (yep, playing like a true XIV player lol) at major city aetheryte every steps & only tabbing into game when the hunt discord notifies me. I guess the upside is I can double duty while I work my irl job in another window? Lmao.

Even if I want to prolong it by omitting Hunt Trains at all, clearing all daily roulettes will take me at least 39 days (ignoring MSR & Frontline) not including the causality gained from new player bonus, WT (if you even pick that 500 tome), or running the EW ARs for coins in those time & the weekly NR tokens. So that’s uhh… two full rotation of roulettes for 1 relic step? Lol

This just pales in comparison to any older relic steps. Even macro crafting splendor relics are far more engaging than even this within the same expansion.

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And yet you could have decided "I will do The Dead Ends 15 times, Storm's Crown EX 20 times, P8S 10 times to complete this stage of a relic". Earned tomestones through normal play of other content? Spend it on other things like crafting mats or Rains so they aren't available to use toward the relic.

But you didn't. Instead, you opted for the efficient way to get your tomestones as fast as possible.

What do you think it says to others when you state you prefer a grind, you were given the option to grind, and yet you did things the "easy" way?