To those that say FF14 is not a big dog in MMO's

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Originally Posted by MonsutaMan

But lets just act like I am some valiant guy? Cool....)

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I dunno, them valiant guys are nuts.

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Originally Posted by Fhaerron

We do have FFlogs and also the Japanese Datacenter have public blacklist where they put the bad people on.
We also have DPS meters for a very long time.

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That's scary...
I play on JP datacenter due to location.

Maybe I need to learn Japanese so I can look at the list and explain myself if I accidentally got into the list? x:

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Main reason why SE are so against dps meters.

Public blacklists, huh?

Thank you for making my point for me.

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It doesn't matter if dps meters exist or not. The fact is that players who enjoy challenging team-based activities don't want to group with players who are terrible at that activity and don't care about the team. That's human nature. Ideally the players who don't care about performance and "play for fun" would form their own separate groups so both sides can enjoy the game their own way, but in reality the low performers want to be part of the good teams and get their rewards, so it doesn't always work out that way. Thus the good teams put up barriers. You can't force them to play with the bad guy, SE even know that, let you set a range of restrictions on PF and silent kicks are fully within rules.

SE already have a strong stance against toxic/rude behavior. Prohibiting parsers and hiding performance does nothing except disrupt the ability for players without them to improve, so they end up excluded more. No matter how hard you ban performance tools, good players who put effort into their hobby are not going to want to group with bad ones who don't care. It's just fact.

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Originally Posted by kiagenwa

That's scary...
I play on JP datacenter due to location.

Maybe I need to learn Japanese so I can look at the list and explain myself if I accidentally got into the list? x:

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Chances are if you don't have any issues getting into groups your fine. And if you are on a blacklist and it hasn't hindered your game in anyway then what's it matter? .

If your accountable for your actions and all round respectful of your fellow players the liklihood you'll be on a list is very slim..

You can join a party finder make mistakes and still be fine if your attitude is good..

There's times I've overestimated myself. Done learning parties got right down low almost cleared been confident I understand everything. Then asked to join a farm party said I got the mechanics down. They let me in and I've wiped the group twice. Not fun for anyone.

I Made apologies for wasting people's time and thinking I had the fight down when I clearly didn't.

When you have an attitude like that you will often find players more than willing to help you out. That group for example asked me to stay as it was obvious I knew most of the fight and they'd throw some callouts over discord to help with the rest. And didnt have another wipe for almost 3 hours of successful farming.

But if you have a douche bag attitude that expects to be carried and blames everyone else when things go wrong. Thats when you get yourself kicked and possibly blacklisted.

Why go to WoWhead when I can get my WoW news from the official FFXIV forums.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

That's more of a cultural thing though. Direct confrontation tends to be frowned upon in Japan so instead people there spread word to one another to not play with certain people. To my knowledge this is unique to the JP community in this game.

EDIT: and by that I mean I haven't heard of it happening in EU and NA communities. Not that it only happens in FFXIV.

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It sort of exists and sort of doesn't. There aren't usually blacklists for an entire community, but I and many organizers have used the block/ignore function to make sure certain individuals never came back to pickup night. People on the list would never know, because they can't see your listing. It's way more common than you'd think.

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Originally Posted by Puremallace

To those that say FF14 is not a big dog in MMO's

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I'm confused whoever think this isn't a "big dog" MMORPG. Even with the flop of 1.0 it's pretty amasing what ARR has manage to do since 2013. ARR may not been the greatest and SB had it up and downs but SHB is on a level with a AAA game imo. So here's hoping for some great things for EW (can we not use this acronym please) later this fall.

I can read Japanese (more or less).
Can someone link me to this alleged public blacklist?

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

(can we not use this acronym please)

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I prefer END but EW does follow the acronym conventions so. /Shrug.

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Originally Posted by MilkieTea

I prefer END but EW does follow the acronym conventions so. /Shrug.

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EW amuses me, but that doesn't take a whole lot to begin with.

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There's no grit or challenge after a certain point.

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Extreme, Faux Hollows, Unreal.