PLDs: You have Clemency for a reason.

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Originally Posted by aodhan_ofinnegain

Sorry but you CANNOT justify false equations to make your pathetic point.

375 +375 > 140 + 140. 375 + 375 + 375 >>160 + 160 + 160.

^ this is the accurate equation you are looking for, you cannot compare 2 or 3 GCDs versus 1 GCD, this is moving goalpost to make your argument. You have to factor equal GCD usage from both parties.

But well done, you know 2 and 3 is more than 1, congratulations. Think you trying to justify your point is the most laughable thing on this entire thread.

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A PLD runs out of MP rather fast, and if they are using the spell throughout the fight, a lot of times I see they only have 2,000-4,000MP and if they only have 2,000MP or what-not left, then yeah, they could blow their last 2,000MP on *one* Clemency (because that's all they can do) and allow me to cast *two* AoE spells (or 3 Arts of War).

So yes, that equation still holds true in those circumstances.

@WhyamIHere

I'm not even going to bother. I asked you *not* to do that very thing, and you still did it anyways.

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Originally Posted by Yorumi

The spell is fine as it is really. Pld's already have too many skills anyway. PLds are supposed to have healing magic so it's good thematically. It's good for solo stuff and fine as an emergency skill from time to time. Mainly what people here are trying to get others to understand is that you shouldn't expect a non-healer to heal. Lets put it another way if we're letting the healer off the hook for failing to heal properly then we sure as heck can't blame the pld or rdm for not healing. Personally for me I just don't encounter healer that fail to keep me alive. Maybe it's because I do a good job tanking but if that's the case then we're basically looking at a combination of a bad healer with a bad tank and really what do we expect at that point?

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I disagree on your point about PLD having too many skills, otherwise I agree.

IMO PLD has clemency for the same reason Living Dead hasn't been adjusted at all despite the outcry for it: ClAsS fAnTaSy

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Originally Posted by Maeka

A PLD runs out of MP rather fast, and if they are using the spell throughout the fight, a lot of times I see they only have 2,000-4,000MP and if they only have 2,000MP or what-not left, then yeah, they could blow their last 2,000MP on *one* Clemency (because that's all they can do) and allow me to cast *two* AoE spells (or 3 Arts of War).

So yes, that equation still holds true in those circumstances.

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Do you even play paladin?

Like seriously, sure it wasn't a jump potion?

You are suppose to expend 5 magical attacks under requiescat, then melee until you mana is full, then requiescat repeat.

Maybe learn to play the game and stop having some weird expectation that paladin's should cover you being bad at the game.

If healers are played right they can get plenty of DPS out without the need for a paladin to sacrifice damage and rotation. It's called managing your cooldowns effectively.

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Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere

I disagree on your point about PLD having too many skills, otherwise I agree.

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I mostly mean that it's the one class where I'm running out of buttons. Without an mmo mouse it because difficult to find a place to put everything.

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Originally Posted by Maeka

A PLD runs out of MP rather fast, and if they are using the spell throughout the fight, a lot of times I see they only have 2,000-4,000MP and if they only have 2,000MP or what-not left, then yeah, they could blow their last 2,000MP on *one* Clemency (because that's all they can do) and allow me to cast *two* AoE spells (or 3 Arts of War).

So yes, that equation still holds true in those circumstances.

@WhyamIHere

I'm not even going to bother. I asked you *not* to do that very thing, and you still did it anyways.

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1) Your math and more is wrong. The only time a PLD will cast a spell is Holy Spirit, to pull the boss. EVERY other usage of a casted GCD (i.e. holy spirit/circle) will/should occur within requiescat. Using them outside of that window is wrong.
2) Ironic that. You asked someone to do something and things didn't turn out as you'd expected. Seems to be a trend.

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Originally Posted by Yorumi

I mostly mean that it's the one class where I'm running out of buttons. Without an mmo mouse it because difficult to find a place to put everything.

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at least as far as tanks go? sure it's rough. GNB was also pretty tough to slot everything in but eh. Honestly with PLD i've taken shield bash off my bar, so that's one less button to worry about. no more shield swipe so that's a free space.
At least 5.0 did address some of the issue with PLD button bloat.
*And I personally don't have an MMO mouse. I just have some creative keybinds that work for me.

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Originally Posted by aodhan_ofinnegain

Do you even play paladin?

Like seriously, sure it wasn't a jump potion?

You are suppose to expend 5 magical attacks under requiescat, then melee until you mana is full, then requiescat repeat.

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I indeed played PLD, but you might note that Holy Circle is a new addition in Shadowbringers, and I did just say earlier, I'm pretty sure, that my tanks are all Lv71 with the exception of PLD being on 73 (which was done with a mixture of FATEs and a few Roulettes, none of which were Holminster Switch). I've not taken my tanks through ShB dungeons yet and was relying on what I mostly see PLDs doing in my groups.

Accusing me of using a Jump Potion just because I've not gone through ShB dungeons as PLD yet is kinda... well, I love how people look for just about anything to throw at someone to belittle them.

This thread is a whirlwind of traps. The first post doesn't even know the dungeon content they are complaining about or why a PLD would use HG on the first pull before they have gauge.

That being said, Clemency is still a really good tool and while it shouldn't be expected it is definitely something you should consider using. When I leveled my PLD through Switch there was maybe only one healer who could keep up with the big pulls without me assisting with clemency. If you have mana, are slowly dying to mobs and you don't hit clemency then you are sort of at fault for that death too. Problem is that there will be a lot of times where you just don't have mana so the windows to make that decision are relatively small and no PLD should just hold onto RQ and mana incase the healer can't keep up because killing things fast is just as important.

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Originally Posted by Maeka

I indeed played PLD, but you might note that Holy Circle is a new addition in Shadowbringers, and I did just say earlier, I'm pretty sure, that my tanks are all Lv71 with the exception of PLD being on 73 (which was done with a mixture of FATEs and a few Roulettes, none of which were Holminster Switch). I've not taken my tanks through ShB dungeons yet and was relying on what I mostly see PLDs doing in my groups.

Accusing me of using a Jump Potion just because I've not gone through ShB dungeons as PLD yet is kinda... well, I love how people look for just about anything to throw at someone to belittle them.

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Holy Circle being new doesn't change anything about what he said being right.
The only time "5 Holy ___ in Requiescat" changes is when you get Confetior, which just turns that window into "4 Holy ___, finish with Confetti."
You're accused of using a jump pot because, again, of a misunderstanding on the fundamental rotation of the job.
Your deflection only makes your statements worse.

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The bold/underlined part. I don't know whether to point out that you're again blaming other people for messing up, or that you've encountered SO SO SO many people playing paladin wrong.

SE would make a killing if they sold a "Read the tooltips" potion.

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Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere

Holy Circle being new doesn't change anything about what he said being right.
The only time "5 Holy ___ in Requiescat" changes is when you get Confetior, which just turns that window into "4 Holy ___, finish with Confetti."
You're accused of using a jump pot because, again, of a misunderstanding on the fundamental rotation of the job.
Your deflection only makes your statements worse.

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The bold/underlined part. I don't know whether to point out that you're again blaming other people for messing up, or that you've encountered SO SO SO many people playing paladin wrong.

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Well, again, I've not played PLD much in group content since Stormblood and the couple roulettes I got were pre-RQ so...

*shrug*

And yes, I see plenty of PLDs casting Holy Circle. So I went to the Job Guide, and read the tooltips to make sure I'm not getting something wrong, and I see this in Requis... how do you spell that again? nngh. Requiescat:

"allows spells to be cast immediately".

I assume this means that RQ removes casting times on Spells? If so, then I should *never* see a Hard casted Holy Circle, right?

But yet I do. Frequently. And the only way I would know that a PLD casted Holy Circle is, yes, looking at the HP Meter and seeing the cast bar. Which should not happen if my assumptions about what "allows spells to be cast immediately" means are correct.