No More Big Pulls in Dungeons

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Originally Posted by rachcouture

That's the exact opposite of a healer that knows what they're doing. Healing takes priority, and you should never, ever, let your tanks health dip low willingly, especially in newer content where tank busters are exceedingly common.

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Oh god stop with this silly argument. Astro has a skill that legit mutes your entire point in Essential Dignity:
Restores target's HP.
Cure Potency: 400
Potency increases up to 1,100 as the target's HP decreases.
Maximum Charges: 2

That type of logic doesn't fly especially now with all of the healer changes. Healing has become so boring and mute that keeping everyone topped off is a waste of time and your resources. I'd much rather have a healer helping me dps down a boss to make everyone's life easier then giving me the juice of life constantly cutting down our dps by 25%. They have tools in OGCDs to help the party and the damage output from most bosses is enough to manage even with those.

Your logic just won't fly in Savage or even EX when you can't meet dps checks because you're too focused on topping the tank off when you could be instead getting some extra hits to meet a dps check.

Most healers in DF don't DPS, and it doesn't take more time than when I play my Holy spam WHM and get mediocre DPS ( which are legion). That's the reason why I mostly play BLM in dungeons now. Healers DPS is low, way too low to compensate for terrible DPS.

Back to the topic, there are a lot of tanks these days that don't pull wall to wall. More than during 5.0. I wonder why. It's a bit of a waste of course but I don't blame them if they aren't comfortable with the content.

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Originally Posted by Novae

Most healers in DF don't DPS, and it doesn't take more time than when I play my Holy spam WHM and get mediocre DPS ( which are legion). That's the reason why I mostly play BLM in dungeons now. Healers DPS is low, way too low to compensate for terrible DPS.

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It takes more time.
With AOEs, healer can do as much dmg as a tank or some DPS classes.

And on bosses, well healers can do more dmg then tanks.

As a WHM main, if my tank is a DRK or a GNB, I'm going to hold on to my Bene until they use Walking Dead/Superbollide, since that's typically the only way I can keep them from dying once the effect goes off. If I don't have the Bene, and there's still a good number of mobs up, they're going to die.

I also *prefer* that a tank starts out with 1-2 pack pulls so I can at least get a couple of lilies to expand my instant-cast healing capabilities, although I can cope with larger pulls early on using Thin Air rotated with Lucid Dreaming to support Cure II spam. Once I've got my full kit up, though? The tank can pull whatever they want. I will keep the party alive through any pull that they don't outrange/LOS me for.

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Originally Posted by AuraAstra

As a WHM main, if my tank is a DRK or a GNB, I'm going to hold on to my Bene until they use Walking Dead/Superbollide, since that's typically the only way I can keep them from dying once the effect goes off. If I don't have the Bene, and there's still a good number of mobs up, they're going to die.

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So I really don't understand this.

Living Dead is a horrible resource dump, but it's actually really easy to heal through. I don't see how you couldn't possibly heal a DRK in the 10 seconds given for the effect to go off.

With Super, I also fail to understand how you wouldn't be able to heal through it. Once it activates you have an entire 8 seconds to get your GNB tank to a decent amount of HP, and during that 8 seconds they don't take damage.

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Originally Posted by Hash_Browns

So I really don't understand this.

Living Dead is a horrible resource dump, but it's actually really easy to heal through. I don't see how you couldn't possibly heal a DRK in the 10 seconds given for the effect to go off.

With Super, I also fail to understand how you wouldn't be able to heal through it. Once it activates you have an entire 8 seconds to get your GNB tank to a decent amount of HP, and during that 8 seconds they don't take damage.

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You forgot most healers lose seconds going "OMG HE'S SO LOW! WHAT DO I DO NOW?"

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

You forgot most healers lose seconds going "OMG HE'S SO LOW! WHAT DO I DO NOW?"

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So.. 7 and 9 seconds?

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Originally Posted by rachcouture

Instant casts should be saved for emergencies when they're actually needed, not wasted over misunderstood priority or outright laziness.

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When I play healer. Esp in expert dungeons/raids and trial fights. I rarely use a GCD heal. I actually challenge myself to see if I can go a whole run with no GCD heals. I guess I'm just lazy. But then I'm also doing 6-7K dps to. I dont even main healer or play it that much.

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Originally Posted by Wolfsbane706

Frankly, wall-to-wall pullers and speedrunners can go jump a cliff. At the same time, though, two or three groups at a time is my preferred pace.

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So your preferred pace is wall to wall lol. Most dungeons only have 2-3 packs.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

Only once in all the time I've played has anyone ever even said they were doing large pulls. No one has asked me if I wanted to. Why do I have to ask them not to, and not the other way around? Why is it okay to assume that one way of playing is the default, and that no one should even ask if that's what everyone wants to do?

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Because I'm the tank and I control the pace of the run. That is the role's right by definition. If you were to pull small and someone else pulls more mobs in, that person is in the wrong because you have chosen to pull within your comfort zone. It's been that way since the beginning of ARR.

One thing I notice about the big pull debate is that people seem extremely afraid of wipes. If a tank pulls too much and a wipe happens, that is the tank's fault, and we adjust accordingly, there's nothing wrong with that and it very rarely happens because big pulls are so easy.