Reading comprehension is not your forte, hmm?Quote:
Originally Posted by Musashidon
I specifically said three people. If you queue into a dungeon having already decided you won't DPS as a healer. You are disregarding what three other people may prefer. That scenario is only flipped if you promptly ask the tank to pull less since you're new. Should they oblige, then I'd be selfish to purposely pull extra to speed things up. It's a one versus the many argument. One person (the healer) deciding to slow the run down because its their preference regardless of the other players.
If you bothered to read what I actually wrote, you'd know that was not the case. Your argument cited so long as people meet the ilvl requirement, they aren't being carried. I used Savage as an example because Raid Finder has an ilvl. You cannot access A12S without being ilvl 255. Thus, I took your argument and applied to Savage. And yes, that is the definition of a carry. You did substantially more work compared to someone else. We call those instances carries in MMOs. This isn't unique to FFXIV.
Once again, no it isn't. Unless that healer had no opportunity to DPS, the tank and actual DPS carried them. Why? Because in any other scenario, a DPS healer makes the run faster and smother. To your own example, if you swapped those numbers around to where say, a Monk only managed 500 DPS. They were carried.
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01-13-2017, 10:36 AMBourne_Endeavor
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01-13-2017, 10:37 AMMimiluWhat rotations?Quote:
Originally Posted by Musashidon
Healers literally use Cleric Stance and either place DoTs and spam one attack on one enemy OR spam their AoE ability on a group.
And how can you even justify people leeching off of others? Standing or jumping around, spamming emotes, being unproductive, or spam healing a tank who's at 99% HP and doesn't need it?
How can you say that people shouldn't learn how to play their job/role as effectively as possible?
How can you say that people shouldn't try their best to make what is a very monotonous grind like Dungeons go as quickly as possible? -
01-13-2017, 10:38 AMSomeRandomHuman
Ok, so neither sides of the argument have made any ground, so let me settle this:
DPSing while healing is a stressful thing to do if you're new to the role. I get that. I was there. Every MMO healer has been there at some point. We get it. The game doesn't expect you to be a perfect player in the first couple dungeons of the game(sastasha, Tam tara deepcroft, and Copperbell Mines). This does notmean that you are incapable of contributing dps where possible however. It is like they npc in the hall of the novice says: "if you healed all there is to heal, then sling out some offensive spells" You are correct when you say you are not a dps, BUT you have dps abilities that you can utilize when you have the entire party above 85% hp. As a healer you take up the role of keeping your teammates alive and supporting them. How do you support a team that takes no damage? You kill the enemy faster! It will go outside your comfort zone most of the time, but you'll get used to it as you practice more. Its just like anything else. Grab a friend who plays a tank and run some of the lower level dungeons to practice this in more controlled scenarios where you are basically sleeping on a bed since you know your tank.
To those who don't dps as healers for the sake of laziness: Please, just stop. All these arguments about it to cover your laziness are merely your psychological defense mechanism to keep you from becoming stressed. Just admit you're being lazy and leave it at that. If people attack or try to provoke arguments then just ignore it.
To those who argue with lazy healers: Stop wasting your time. They made the decision and if you don't like it, then try to boot em if the rest of the party feels the same. If it fails, then get over it or eat the penalty.
The healer dps argument:
Healer DPS isn't forced, its learned. Stop instigating drama if people refuse to learn. It only hurts the community more. If a healer says "I don't want to dps" just do the above. Try the kick and if it fails, ether deal with it or eat the penalty. The community only loses whenever massive drama starts up over things like this.
As a community we are expected to teach the new players. Yes, the ENTIRE community is responsible for teaching, not just mentors. You want this game to have better players? Put in your share. If a player is struggling with something, ask them what they don't get instead of just eating the penalty. It may take an extra 5 minutes, buts its 5 minutes of your time to save the entire community another 20 minutes or more later.
If a person doesn't wanna learn, for the third time, do the above. It will most likely result in that player being excluded because they refuse to adapt and that's the choice they make. If they complain about it then its nothing but their own fault. -
01-13-2017, 10:41 AMMusashidoncongrats we can insult people to get what we want!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor
disregarding what other people may prefer? what? you are telling them how to play to play.
a tank mass pulling can kill a group a healing not dpsing wont. not unless say the dps are so bad that they can't meet dps reqs.
my arguement wasn't about ilvl it was about dps reqs.
someone isn't leeching if they are pulling their weight which isnt based off your opinion of what someone should be required to do or not. it's based off what is required to beat content.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mimilu
this is a game?! people actually enjoy dungeons?! pfft i forgot people don't play for fun they play to turn the game into job online 3.0! -
01-13-2017, 10:43 AMChevrononeMaybe you're bored because you spend a majority of your time staring at the wall watching paint dry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Train88
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01-13-2017, 10:47 AMRaltsYeah, most of the time i just dont say a word, only if i see those healers just jumping around, being a leech. Its annoying for everyone to be pressing 10 buttons, giving their all and one is entitled to just fool around because he chose a specific class?Quote:
Originally Posted by SomeRandomHuman
If only therell be always a spare healer, then more players will have the guts to boot that leecher. So please SE, add 1 more healer for the upcoming expansion lol -
01-13-2017, 10:48 AMBourne_EndeavorOh, you will get no disagreements from me lol. I've long advocated for reasonably challenging content. Honestly, I'd prefer healers actually having to heal since the reason I switch to that role is to, well, heal. Likewise, I find it sad how unless I do mass pulls, I literally have no reason to pop cooldowns. Heavensward dungeons are laughable and Stormblood should be fixing them. Nonetheless, I'm not going to stubbornly refuse to DPS when playing White Mage because I dislike the system. I either won't play the job or I'll stance dance.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaikiKiyoshi
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01-13-2017, 10:51 AMMimiluIt is leeching if they aren't doing anything that actual helps the party for 75% of the dungeon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Musashidon
And you're ruining other people's enjoyment by holding them up.
You say you want a discussion but all you've presented are flimsy arguments trying to justify laziness. -
01-13-2017, 10:55 AMGreedaloxLike, I know that it's a go to argument for people to assume people who like quick dungeons don't like video games, but sometimes people find efficiency, effort and cohesion to be fun and rewarding as well. Don't be facetious ;_;Quote:
Originally Posted by Musashidon
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01-13-2017, 10:56 AMMusashidonactually its not leeching because healers are required to dps to meet the end goal. if a healer is holding anyone up the dps should do better since they are the ones slowing the run down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mimilu
i do want discussion but the only reply is *you are lazy or bad if you don't dps* which is you opinion but there isn't much discussion if insults is the only thing people use as an arguement.