Marriage feedback [inofficial Poll]

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Originally Posted by Nayito

Why deny 2 of the most facinating aspects of humans to games?
the 2 aspects that EVERY OTEHR form of art has studied and analize and deconstruct through the ages of mankind.

Now on this particular mater od same sex marrige, there are TONs of players who play with characters that are not they own gender 90% of the mithras in FFXI were males playing females. so what is the problem with 2 clusters of poligons that represent the same gender in a game geting married?

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But the thing of it is this: MMOs are a different sort of "art". A lot of things that are allowed in other forms of art are not really as seen in an mmorpg. It has to do with knowing where to draw the line. When you create a media based business like this, you have to be very careful where you tread. Tick off enough people, and you can kiss your profits goodbye. Don't believe me, ask the Dixie Chicks. Just find whichever McDonalds they're working in these days. They'll tell you.

And playing with characters that are not your gender is not really the same thing as openly engaging in a SSM. As a female, I will be playing a male Miqo'te. Doesn't mean I'll play my character as openly gay, or that you'll see him in a gay pride parade in the game. You see, people take this sort of thing seriously, a bit too seriously if you ask me. But it is wha it is, so openiing this can of worms is a huge mistake imo.

I'm not talking about been openly gay. though i don't think that ppl should hide who they are or that they should change to fit the "norm" like SedoSan is saying ( though i'm guessing that is trolling for the sake of trolling)

What i'm saying is why should you SkyeWindbinder (I'm just using you as an example, this could be anyone) a female player using a Male Miqo'te character who wants to marry me (again as a exaple) a male player using a male lalafel be deny of that aspect of the game?

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Originally Posted by Nayito

I'm not talking about been openly gay. though i don't think that ppl should hide who they are or that they should change to fit the "norm" like SedoSan is saying ( though i'm guessing that is trolling for the sake of trolling)

What i'm saying is why should you SkyeWindbinder (I'm just using you as an example, this could be anyone) a female player using a Male Miqo'te character who wants to marry me (again as a exaple) a male player using a male lalafel be deny of that aspect of the game?

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SedoSan is a flaming jerk. But that's neither here nor there.

There are reasons why SSM should and shouldn't be allowed. The reasons why they should have more to do with people needing to know how to leave people alone to do whatever they please. People like to judge, because it makes them feel superior. They also like to control others and assimilate them into their way of thinking. But the truth is, all people are different. If everyone was like everyone else, then every person on the planet would die of loneliness. At least, that's what I believe. We need people who are different from us. Because only then can we learn to adapt, understand each other, and accept the world and the people living in it.

The reasons it (by "it", I mean marriage in general, not just SSM) shouldn't be allowed in the game, however, is because, as i said, things like that can make or break a form of media and the people selling it. A lot of the people who will be playing this game will be of one way of thinking or another, and they're the ones funding SE's paychecks. Granted, they're not the only ones paying for the game, but a good chunk of them are, and angering enough of them can be devestating to a game that's already standing on fragile legs thanks largely in part to the 1.0 debacle. Yoshi is going to have to tread carefully. Which is why, if I were him, I wouldn't put marriage in this game at all.

I just don't see how it's OK for these religious folk to play a game where you use magic spells to kill God, but seeing a few people have a gay marriage is a bridge too far.

Personally I'm tired of the hypocritical fair-weather faithful who read their holy books with a pair of scissors and a highlighter dictating what the rest of us can do with our lives. If they can't be bothered to live up to the teachings of their religion (and I mean all of them, not just the convenient bits) then why should the rest of us?

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Originally Posted by Monzcarro

I just don't see how it's OK for these religious folk to play a game where you use magic spells to kill God, but seeing a few people have a gay marriage is a bridge too far.

Personally I'm tired of the hypocritical fair-weather faithful who read their holy books with a pair of scissors and a highlighter dictating what the rest of us can do with our lives. If they can't be bothered to live up to the teachings of their religion (and I mean all of them, not just the convenient bits) then why should the rest of us?

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Well-put logic.

But remember, a lot of religious folk are not logical. And I say this as a religious person. Every group of people have their kooks, whether it's the gay people, the straight people, the religious people, the atheists... seperating reality from a game is hard for a lot of people. Which is what makes this such a delicate subject for the devs to tip-toe around.

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Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

The reasons it (by "it", I mean marriage in general, not just SSM) shouldn't be allowed in the game, however, is because, as i said, things like that can make or break a form of media and the people selling it. A lot of the people who will be playing this game will be of one way of thinking or another, and they're the ones funding SE's paychecks. Granted, they're not the only ones paying for the game, but a good chunk of them are, and angering enough of them can be devestating to a game that's already standing on fragile legs thanks largely in part to the 1.0 debacle. Yoshi is going to have to tread carefully. Which is why, if I were him, I wouldn't put marriage in this game at all.

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Perhaps it's been posted already, but I'd love to see some actual stats on this. I really think people overestimate the power of a few religious nuts on a game most of them had no intention of playing anyway. Especially when you have games like Dragon Age and Mass Effect which allowed gay relationships far more explicit then FF would ever have, yet don't seem to have been any worse off because of it.

Ideally, they should have just allowed it from the start and avoided making a big issue of it. Maybe a couple people would throw a tantrum about it, but it would have largely been forgotten by the time it launches. By delaying the decision they have made people far more invested in the outcome then anyone would ever been otherwise.

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Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

SedoSan is a flaming jerk. But that's neither here nor there.

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No arguments there

I agree with most of what you are saying. What i don't agree is that there shouldn't be marrige ( or for that matter any other thing that might be controversial) The dev team of this game or any other game should not be discouraged to to put feateres that might cause the wrath of a grup of ppl, and yeah the anti-gay grup is not small, and yeah if they all diceded to not play a game it would hurt that game a lot. But i don't think that if this game fails is gonna be because a grup of players is angry at a little feature like this. Do you think that the millons of players that WoW has accept SSM?

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Originally Posted by Monzcarro

Perhaps it's been posted already, but I'd love to see some actual stats on this. I really think people overestimate the power of a few religious nuts on a game most of them had no intention of playing anyway. Especially when you have games like Dragon Age and Mass Effect which allowed gay relationships far more explicit then FF would ever have, yet don't seem to have been any worse off because of it.

Ideally, they should have just allowed it from the start and avoided making a big issue of it. Maybe a couple people would throw a tantrum about it, but it would have largely been forgotten by the time it launches. By delaying the decision they have made people far more invested in the outcome then anyone would ever been otherwise.

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Well, to be honest, I wouldn't really use a train wreck like Dragon Age 2 as an example, lol. Mass Effect, fine, I'll agree that the game was a huge hit with people. But the dfference is that these are single player games you speak of. Single player games involve way less of an active co-mingling community than MMOs, so there's naturally going to be less of a stink raised over certain issues.

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Originally Posted by Nayito

No arguments there

I agree with most of what you are saying. What i don't agree is that there shouldn't be marrige ( or for that matter any other thing that might be controversial) The dev team of this game or any other game should not be discouraged to to put feateres that might cause the wrath of a grup of ppl, and yeah the anti-gay grup is not small, and yeah if they all diceded to not play a game it would hurt that game a lot. But i don't think that if this game fails is gonna be because a grup of players is angry at a little feature like this. Do you think that the millons of players that WoW has accept SSM?

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The thing is, WoW is far more developed and established than FFXIV. That MMO has been going for, like, a million years now? It has an established fanbase rooted in years and years and YEARS of service. The number one MMO in the world. If they ever decided to put SSM in their game, it was after they had the people who would continue to keep their game making the big bucks. Really, with WoW, they can only go down in subs from here. They've reached their peak a while ago. WoW is a seasoned MMO, so it would be less of a risk for them to do it. Especially less of a risk than FFXIV, who is bouncing back after the collossal failure of it's former version.

Keisuna O_O I don't even... you're just awesome...

This argument has been going on for more than a month and SE hasn't made up their mind about it. Well, that's boo-hoo. I was a XI player of 9 years and never use the marriage feature in the game at all and I know I won't do it in XIV. To me, it's like 0.01% of the entire game. So Meh... 99% of time my life is unfair and I have learned to deal with it... How so? Well, I am truly deaf... /shrug