Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

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Originally Posted by rance-sama

Pulling straws, bro.
Male Viera ain't happening.

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Thanks for coming here to say that :) but you don’t know that “bro”

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Originally Posted by Yana-Chan

https://twitter.com/wotendanny/statu...056534016?s=21

Had to post it to my Twitter but that’s the picture

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It's hard to see with the low lighting but the odd-looking shape from the light might just be from the SAM artifact mask.

https://i.imgur.com/CkovxlO.png

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Originally Posted by Yana-Chan

https://twitter.com/wotendanny/statu...056534016?s=21

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Oh. That looks like a Samurai. That might actually be the lvl80 Samurai ma—

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Originally Posted by CoolDad

It's hard to see with the low lighting but the odd-looking shape from the light might just be from the SAM artifact mask.

https://i.imgur.com/CkovxlO.png

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Oh that’s most likely it then haha just looked very odd but seems like it would be that mask.

I think its just a female viera in the samurai mask. I hope they maybe say something at the live letter (unless its finished lol) but it's unlikely, so I don't expect it at all

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

I have no idea what "worst customization in this game" means. In the Benchmark they currently have limited hair selections for the new races which is a problem and we don't know how it will translate to ShB release ... but neither of them have "worst customization" than other races.

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now "worst" is entirely subjective but they do have less options compared to the other races and well future doesn't look to bright to hrothgar judging from benchmark
but hoping more does come along "head gear will be added during shb" counts for hair styles too and just some odd translation issue like that wolf face.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

now "worst" is entirely subjective but they do have less options compared to the other races and well future doesn't look to bright to hrothgar judging from benchmark
but hoping more does come along "head gear will be added during shb" counts for hair styles too and just some odd translation issue like that wolf face.

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I think that SE kinda lied about the different animal faces too. It's lion 1 lion 2 lion 3(some might say ronso, but those are lions) and coeurl.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

now "worst" is entirely subjective but they do have less options compared to the other races

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In what way exactly? The only option they don't have compared to other males is the ability to color their lips. They have 20 options, every other male clocks in between 20 and 22.

The hair situation, which I still think there's more to for both of the new races, is clearly folded into the Fur pattern tab which also gives them a bold new amount of CC. Mouth is replaced with fangs and so on. Thing is the things they can change are much bigger and much more noticeable than most any race which is the impressive part to me. Find this interesting seeing as I've made tons for Hrothgar and notice that people seem to have a fundamental lack of understanding about the CC. Like Meoni's video where he says "Why is this tattoo limited to THIS face? Why can't I use it on other faces?" as a negative to Hrothgar CC, saying that they and males in general have fewer options ... when he should know that no race or gender with tattoos shares tattoos between faces so that's a moot point.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

In what way exactly? The only option they don't have compared to other males is the ability to color their lips. They have 20 options, every other male clocks in between 20 and 22.

The hair situation, which I still think there's more to for both of the new races, is clearly folded into the Fur pattern tab which also gives them a bold new amount of CC. Mouth is replaced with fangs and so on. Thing is the things they can change are much bigger and much more noticeable than most any race which is the impressive part to me. Find this interesting seeing as I've made tons for Hrothgar and notice that people seem to have a fundamental lack of understanding about the CC. Like Meoni's video where he says "Why is this tattoo limited to THIS face? Why can't I use it on other faces?" as a negative to Hrothgar CC, saying that they and males in general have fewer options ... when he should know that no race or gender with tattoos shares tattoos between faces so that's a moot point.

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I think that you are doing what you tell everyone else not to do. You have no idea fi there'll be more to them, and I personally think female viera will get more stuff and male hrotgar will simply get more fur. SE said there's a limit on the amount of customization a model can have, and until they make as CC overhaul, that's not changing. Male Hrotgar can't choose: Hairstyle, lip color, has only feline faces when we were promised much more than that etc...
It is objectively the least customization if you simply take a look at the amount

Oh, and they say female viera were an afterthough, but I think nobody believes male Hrotgar have been worked more upon than female viera. This is yet another obvious red flag in Yoshida's statements

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

In what way exactly? The only option they don't have compared to other males is the ability to color their lips. They have 20 options, every other male clocks in between 20 and 22.

The hair situation, which I still think there's more to for both of the new races, is clearly folded into the Fur pattern tab which also gives them a bold new amount of CC. Mouth is replaced with fangs and so on. Thing is the things they can change are much bigger and much more noticeable than most any race which is the impressive part to me. Find this interesting seeing as I've made tons for Hrothgar and notice that people seem to have a fundamental lack of understanding about the CC. Like Meoni's video where he says "Why is this tattoo limited to THIS face? Why can't I use it on other faces?" as a negative to Hrothgar CC, saying that they and males in general have fewer options ... when he should know that no race or gender with tattoos shares tattoos between faces so that's a moot point.

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well less hair options is the big one
hroths can not put high lights on there head hair
and there head hair color is limited to similar of there fur color
every other race gets 6 options for nose,eyes and eyes brows Viera and hroth get 5
and if you want to replace mouth with fangs that's still 3 fang options to 4 mouth options
ear option tacked into facial features bit of a shock too

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Originally Posted by zeylos

I think that SE kinda lied about the different animal faces too. It's lion 1 lion 2 lion 3(some might say ronso, but those are lions) and coeurl.

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now its not so much a lie but most likely a miss translation which has happened a fair bit

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Originally Posted by Duskane

well less hair options is the big one
hroths can not put high lights on there head hair
and there head hair color is limited to similar of there fur color
every other race gets 6 options for nose,eyes and eyes brows Viera and hroth get 5
and if you want to replace mouth with fangs that's still 3 fang options to 4 mouth options
ear option tacked into facial features bit of a shock too



now its not so much a lie but most likely a miss translation which has happened a fair bit

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SE has also lied many times in the past, it's nothing new, not even new with 14

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Originally Posted by zeylos

I think that you are doing what you tell everyone else not to do. You have no idea fi there'll be more to them, and I personally think female viera will get more stuff and male hrotgar will simply get more fur. SE said there's a limit on the amount of customization a model can have, and until they make as CC overhaul, that's not changing. Male Hrotgar can't choose: Hairstyle, lip color, has only feline faces when we were promised much more than that etc...
It is objectively the least customization if you simply take a look at the amount

Oh, and they say female viera were an afterthough, but I think nobody believes male Hrotgar have been worked more upon than female viera. This is yet another obvious red flag in Yoshida's statements

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What am I telling others not to do that I'm doing? I think it's more to it because it makes no sense for SE to only allow you to change unique hair styles by buying a $10 potion for this one race. They realize that people earn hair styles as rewards through out the game, pay real money for them on the station and even give them out as real life contest rewards so they know the importance of it. Plus theres the fact that the last time a new race came out it had access to all the free hairs in the benchmark where as neither of these 2 have access to non-race hair.

So yeah, I still think there's more to this. Don't personally expect both these races to only have the hair they have now. Even if they don't share the common hair I feel they should have access to the unlockable ones. But that's the thing, I THINK there is ... not gonna say you should think there is or that I KNOW there is. It's a personal thought on the matter than I wouldn't force any debate to work on the bases of being correct.
And if this is it then so be it, not gonna act like it's a personal offence on me.

Anyway, as for the rest ...

-What Yoshi said was in regards to the body and face shapes. We get new Hair styles often because hair is just that ... hair. They're not gonna change the way gear looks to fit a hair style, it's something more like an add on to your model like gear. So yeah, seems you don't understand that line ...

-They can change hair styles. Albeit a limited and concerning way. Every head has 2 they can have and face features that turn those 2 into 4 by adding to the head hair. Even if you have a problem counting that their "hair option" can be counted as the fur options which again gives them a bold new choice in CC that no one else has seeing as no other race can control or change their body hair or give themselves body markings. So yeah, they had 20 tabs just like humans males ... you wanna die on the hill of "these giant cat men with animal mouths can't wear lipstick"?

-Please, don't make things up. Yoshi said that they have Lion (Face 1), Jaguar (face 3) and wolf head. Thing is wolf prob refers to face 2 seeing how you can easily make him look like a werewolf. It's a pretty flexible "attractive beast" face really. And on top of that we have Ronso head. He broke no promise.

-No one said Viera was "an afterthought", but from everything we know the Hrothgar is what they wanted to do and Hrothgar females got booted for Viera.

You can see what you want, it's clear to me from what we've seen so far that the Hrothgar got far more time and effort than the likes of Viera. I've said it before, maybe not here ... but people let "OoohHhh, pretty!" cloud their vision. Emote wise many of their's are 2 or more times longer than the Viera and everyone of them is far more lively and expressive (and yes, you can be reserved and regal without having short and small animations. They went too far into reserved for my liking). Body wise I can see the effort put into shaping the gear to work with their posture and shape were as Viera's bolted on ears don't animate at all and clip with large weapons held on the back (Very jarring to me). Also there's the fact that Yoshi talked about their "high heel" being a problem only to give them reg feet when not wearing race gear (I personally have no problem with glaming the boots onto everything but that IS a thing he pointed out like "Hey, we gotta remodel the shoes for them if we make them!" and I understand why he said screw it but yeah)
Hell, as a femroe I feel our long hair was handled far better because of the fact that it doesn't clip right through our shoulder with simple head moves like I've seen with the Viera. All in all the Viera feel like a black coded, better proportioned Elezen with slapped on frozen bunny ears where as the Hrothgar feel like something new and needed. I'm happy we got them if only for the fact that we can now have black looking women but that's it really.

To each their own though. If there's anything I know it's that this convo will go no where. If you've decided you like what Viera has shown more than Hrothgar then no amount of pointing out the time and effort required to make their emotes (and bring human emotion to the faces of legit non-human animal heads) and gear is gonna do anything. Have fun, maybe you'll get your 3rd tall skinny reserved elezen like guy (But with Bunny ears ...!) so that we can have the females to the Hrothgar ... cause I desperately want to see what they do with them after the great job they did bringing the males to life.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

well less hair options is the big one
hroths can not put high lights on there head hair
and there head hair color is limited to similar of there fur color
every other race gets 6 options for nose,eyes and eyes brows Viera and hroth get 5
and if you want to replace mouth with fangs that's still 3 fang options to 4 mouth options
ear option tacked into facial features bit of a shock too

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Less options is more so a loaded phrase to me in regards to the topic. Like, they can change just as many things as others given they have the same number of tab options. That's the CC to me. The number of things in a certain selection though can be added or debated on their worth. I mean, hell ... I could argue that many races have redundant things that are skillfully avoided here.

Also comes from not looking at how things are appealed to this race. Their head hair IS fur That's why the France leak comments on their "mane". So they don't get highlights, they get the choice of coloring their fur patterns and picking said patterns though. They cleverly use the Face features tab to add meaning features like hair and horns instead of just covering them with scars and lil bandages or giving them slightly thicker eyebrows or what have you. To me a CC isn't just about quantity, it's about quality. Having 4 faces means nothing to me if only 1 or 2 at most look usable to players (which I KNOW to be the case with Femroe and a few others) or if you can't really see much of a difference in some of the featured choices.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

Snip, was 5000 characters

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So, I hope you get female lionesses, and yes, male hrotgar's emotes are good, but their customization certainly isn't. Also, female viera's emote are adequate and they did a good job on them imo. That being said, you shouldn't treat male viera badly because you want lionesses, and they're not just elezen with bunny ears. Take a female elezen with bunny ears and compare it to female viera

Did anyone actually see a male Hrothgar during the newest trailer?

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

Did anyone actually see a male Hrothgar during the newest trailer?

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yeah there was one
its the same one in the bench mark

Monk hrothgar while they were showing sneak peek of some of the jobs
already as NPC there is much more Hrothgar and viera compared to HW with au ra good sign really
story relevant ones maybe with eden?

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Originally Posted by Duskane

yeah there was one
its the same one in the bench mark

Monk hrothgar while they were showing sneak peek of some of the jobs
already as NPC there is much more Hrothgar and viera compared to HW with au ra good sign really
story relevant ones maybe with eden?

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male hrot get like 1/10 of the screenshot fem vieras get

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Originally Posted by zeylos

male hrot get like 1/10 of the screenshot fem vieras get

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I noticed that and was happy Viera were getting so much attention in "story" and sad that Hroths were kinda getting sidelined. I mean, I'm sure the GNB trainer will be a Hroth because they INVENTED the job, but so far they've mostly been shown as generic PC stand-ins (for PLD and MNK, I'd have liked if the most recent CGs had a Hrothgar GNB but they made him a MNK...which is still fine because it's one of 2-3 AF sets which shows off the fur patterns).

Totally out of the left field prediction-I have no basis for this: If the final zone is back in the Source, I'd expect it to be in Garlemald's doorstep, which from the Eorzean side is the homeland of the Hrothgar. This could allow us to "see" the Helion queen as we've been avoiding Ilsabard for too long. Before the whole shard-hopping was revealed, I was expecting 5.0 to take place in the Garlean Empire, so we still have that area to see in 6.0 (that is, 5.3+, when the new expansion is being set up, would deal with what's been happening in the Empire while we were Dancing around the First).

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Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage

I noticed that and was happy Viera were getting so much attention in "story" and sad that Hroths were kinda getting sidelined. I mean, I'm sure the GNB trainer will be a Hroth because they INVENTED the job, but so far they've mostly been shown as generic PC stand-ins (for PLD and MNK, I'd have liked if the most recent CGs had a Hrothgar GNB but they made him a MNK...which is still fine because it's one of 2-3 AF sets which shows off the fur patterns).

Totally out of the left field prediction-I have no basis for this: If the final zone is back in the Source, I'd expect it to be in Garlemald's doorstep, which from the Eorzean side is the homeland of the Hrothgar. This could allow us to "see" the Helion queen as we've been avoiding Ilsabard for too long. Before the whole shard-hopping was revealed, I was expecting 5.0 to take place in the Garlean Empire, so we still have that area to see in 6.0 (that is, 5.3+, when the new expansion is being set up, would deal with what's been happening in the Empire while we were Dancing around the First).

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I think we'll see the helion queen on a veil at 5.0-5.3 and a male viera at 5.3-5.5

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Originally Posted by zeylos

male hrot get like 1/10 of the screenshot fem vieras get

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Not only with Viera, female characters get 90% of screentime when it comes to the trailer, artwork etc.

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Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage

I noticed that and was happy Viera were getting so much attention in "story" and sad that Hroths were kinda getting sidelined. I mean, I'm sure the GNB trainer will be a Hroth because they INVENTED the job, but so far they've mostly been shown as generic PC stand-ins (for PLD and MNK, I'd have liked if the most recent CGs had a Hrothgar GNB but they made him a MNK...which is still fine because it's one of 2-3 AF sets which shows off the fur patterns).

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Well, to be completely fair, at least we somehow know Viera are around, because Fran and her rebel group that may or may not have more of them, but as far as our characters and the current MSQ are concerned, Hroths "don't exist". That said, I agree - the GNB trainer should be a Hrothgar, but it wouldn't surprise me it's any other race who learned GNB from one instead.

I think vieras are shown more mostly because we actually have their village as a area? Idk about hrothgar hometown but I don’t think we visit their village. I also hope Fran is in the story or at least side quest because if she talks I’d like the same voice actress from 12 so that’s not happening lol

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Originally Posted by Allegor

Well, to be completely fair, at least we somehow know Viera are around, because Fran and her rebel group that may or may not have more of them, but as far as our characters and the current MSQ are concerned, Hroths "don't exist". That said, I agree - the GNB trainer should be a Hrothgar, but it wouldn't surprise me it's any other race who learned GNB from one instead.

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I think we won't see any male hrotgar or female viera on the source, until we go to their homelands there, considering it'd be very weird to pop them into txistance. I think it's on 6.0 where we will see the new races (mostly female hortgar and male viera fro marketing reasons)

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Originally Posted by zeylos

I think that SE kinda lied about the different animal faces too. It's lion 1 lion 2 lion 3(some might say ronso, but those are lions) and coeurl.

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Originally Posted by zeylos

SE has also lied many times in the past, it's nothing new, not even new with 14

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What are these lies you keep mentioning? The thing about the wolf face was a bad translation of an interview. A bunch of people ran with it as confirmation of a wolf face without fact checking.

There's no reason to assume malice on the part of the development team. If someone really holds the development team in such low regard then I suspect that they'd be much happier taking their leave of the game altogether or at the very least taking a break instead of working themselves into a frenzy each and every day.

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Originally Posted by Tanama

What are these lies you keep mentioning? The thing about the wolf face was a bad translation of an interview. A bunch of people ran with it as confirmation of a wolf face without fact checking.

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They said it was a wolf face. if it was a mistranslation, then it wasn't a lie, but they did say it.

SE said things like:The housing system won't require you to keep your sub active, we are against genderlock... ETC...

Both of which turned out to be complete lies

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Originally Posted by Theodric

There's no reason to assume malice on the part of the development team. If someone really holds the development team in such a low opinion then I suspect that they'd be much happier taking their leave of the game altogether or at the very least taking a break instead of working themselves into a frenzy each and every day.

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Seriously? What's ppl exaggerting things like this lol. I can not agree with the developers of something, and think that they have dont some things wrong, that is quite far from going into a frenzy each and every day, like chill man. SE said (wether it was the devs, the translator, or whoever) that the male hrotgar would have a canine face. Plz show it to me. Oh, and let's not forget the housing system won't require u to be subbed line

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Originally Posted by zeylos

They said it was a wolf face. if it was a mistranslation, then it wasn't a lie, but they did say it.

SE said things like:The housing system won't require you to keep your sub active, we are against genderlock... ETC...

Both of which turned out to be complete lies

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The 'Kimahri' face is a hybrid between feline and canine features. It qualifies as 'wolf-like'.

The housing system and gender locks are unfortunate, though businesses often change their stance on many subjects. They have no obligation to keep every single promise they state and expecting them to do so simply leads them to be even more vague in the future when discussing their plans.

The word 'lie' assumes malice. I doubt there is any. They've explained their reasons for doing things in the way that they did and it may not may not change in the future. That's the best we're going to get for now.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

The 'Kimahri' face is a hybrid between feline and canine features. It qualifies as 'wolf-like'.

The housing system and gender locks are unfortunate, though businesses often change their stance on many subjects. They have no obligation to keep every single promise they state and expecting them to do so simply leads them to be even more vague in the future when discussing their plans.

The word 'lie' assumes malice. I doubt there is any. They've explained their reasons for doing things in the way that they did and it may not may not change in the future. That's the best we're going to get for now.

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Eh I havent said the dev team is evil. Also, I don't get why are u so pesimistic, but that's just my way of seeing life I guess? I'd rather be dissapointed than sad all along

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Originally Posted by zeylos

Eh I havent said the dev team is evil. Also, I don't get why are u so pesimistic, but that's just my way of seeing life I guess? I'd rather be dissapointed than sad all along

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I'm not pessimistic or sad. I'm largely happy with the development and their plans for the future. The recent trailer looked promising and E3 outlined numerous games that I'm looking forward to playing when they release.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'm not pessimistic or sad. I'm largely happy with the development and their plans for the future. The recent trailer looked promising and E3 outlined numerous games that I'm looking forward to playing when they release.

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Good for you. I simply meant that I'd rather be excited about male viera and dissapointed, than sad because they aren0't here, since for me it is a big deal. Hope you'll enjoy it. I currently question their development choices on race a lot, but I dont mind on others. Do find their combat changes to specific roles (ahem healers ahem) kinda bad tho

Khimari in no way has "wolf" hybrid face.

Just saying at this point the thread has utterly and completely lost it's original intent.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

Khimari in no way has "wolf" hybrid face.

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if anything the khimari face to me is more Pug like

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Originally Posted by kidalutz

Just saying at this point the thread has utterly and completely lost it's original intent.

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No need for dumb comments we do that enough already

Woah this sh*t is already 642 pages long :O!

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Originally Posted by Duskane

if anything the khimari face to me is more Pug like



No need for dumb comments we do that enough already

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Kind of the point.Get on subject or step off the podium.

I'm in favor by the by. If anything just so I can see a new thread complaining that the Male viera are nothing like people asked for.

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Originally Posted by zeylos

They said it was a wolf face. if it was a mistranslation, then it wasn't a lie, but they did say it.

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If its a Mistranslation, then how did they say it?....

Sooo moving on, Live letter is coming up and I wonder what they will show, hoping they show the primal mounts. ShB is getting closer and closer. I also wonder if Fran will be involved somewhere, I hope she plays a part in at least a side story quest.

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Originally Posted by kidalutz

Kind of the point.Get on subject or step off the podium.

I'm in favor by the by. If anything just so I can see a new thread complaining that the Male viera are nothing like people asked for.

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The original intent of the thread is still there us side tracking with a topic thats still related to the situation doesn't ruin the request for male viera (female Hroth)

It will always come full circle

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Originally Posted by Yana-Chan

Sooo moving on, Live letter is coming up and I wonder what they will show.

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Hopefully they show off Amh Araeng and Kholusia. They don’t have their own trailers yet.

I support the addition of Male Viera.