Sorry SE, but endgame won't work if you don't fix something.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ruprect

What is even worse is I am starting to learn to play the game with this horrible lag so when they do fix it I am gonna be screwed.

---

Lies. You're gonna be godlike when/if they fix lag.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Metabug

Lies. You're gonna be godlike when/if they fix lag.

---

Its gonna be a repeat of monster hunter:
(warning, story incoming)


Once upon a time, Monster Hunter (1 and 2) had the worst controls of any game ever. Specifically, the camera was controlled by the D-pad and the right analog was used to attack. And this was on PS2 for god sake.... It was god awful. Because you couldn't zoom out super far, camera control played a major part in every encounter. It was honestly a mess.
but the game was fun DESPITE this flaw, not because of it.
At any rate, these games were considered tough. The learning curve was relatively high and death was all but certain the first time you challenged a new enemy.

Then.....

Monster Hunter Tri was released on Wii. At last, players could use the right analog the way it was meant to be used... for the camera. It was indeed the improvement that should have always been. The result was all Monster Hunter veterans complaining that the game had been dumbed down and made easy. The truth is, it only felt easier because the unintuitive controls and gameplay no longer got in the way of actually playing the game.

If FFXIV fixed lag and delay to be on par with just about every other MMO (free or otherwise) on the market, the result would be everyone with relics, and Titan being a joke.
In that case, SE could just randomize Titans attacks, since at that point players will actually be able to "react" as opposed to "predict"

Just my 2 cents

I haven't read through this entire thread because it is far too long, but I have a suggestion for those of you experiencing lag. I know we shouldn't have to fix it ourselves, but I've been using Smoothping, which has really helped make the game's reticles feel like how they are supposed to be. Either way, definitely take a look into it. They have a free trial.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by HazyMoon

Welcome to shit actually being difficult.

---

Yes welcome to the new generation of MMO! We will be adding more and more server and skill lag to make the game harder instead of coming up with innovative ways to really make mechanics harder. Difficult should not be based on ones ability to make up for latency, it shoud be based on fun mechanics.

Shit is not difficult, this game has the same mechanics as every other MMO... DONT STAND IN SHIT LOL. But with the horrible ability and server lag it is almost impossible at times to get out of it unless you move before it shows up.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by mysticmightg

I haven't read through this entire thread because it is far too long, but I have a suggestion for those of you experiencing lag. I know we shouldn't have to fix it ourselves, but I've been using Smoothping, which has really helped make the game's reticles feel like how they are supposed to be. Either way, definitely take a look into it. They have a free trial.

---

Though the help is appreciated I doubt that will help me, my ping is like 50ms. If it can reduce the additional 333ms that the game has implanted, it might help. I cant even imagine what ppl with 100+ have to deal with. I don't have a lot of problems with titan but mostly because I am casting immediately after I get out of stuff, which updates my location. The problem is I should not have too.

I like the fight, it's intense although it can be argued to delay attacks by .5 sec to make up for the server delay. What I don't like is that it is required to be killed to get access to the raid. It's a nice duty to do on the side to get your relic but it totally limits the player pop for raiding, especially on my server.

I don't want a Rep to comment anyways, I want Yoshida to comment.

Couple days until the free month is over, right? Oh wait, server issues... they extended it didn't they?

When does the free month for new players end?

Tick tock.

/emote "Pushing the white elephant to the living room"
/poke SE

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Evokerz

/emote "Pushing the white elephant to the living room"
/poke SE

---

It's the lagelephant!

laelephant?

lelephant maybe...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Evokerz

/emote "Pushing the white elephant to the living room"
/poke SE

---

Yup, I'll bump this until we get a response.

This Thread Needs More Attention

http://gregorymancuso.com/wp-content...-of-shrink.gif

So, yesterday, I've found myself a group. We all were well geared and quite experienced. We've been trying to kill this guy for 7 or 8 hours still, we didn't make it. My personal number of attempts is like 100+. I can do it through pre-heart phase, because of constant moving. But after, it's impossible to move all the time. Yep, you can say that I don' know how to play this game. But this is first game in my 12years MMO histroy where I don't have any progress on boss after 100+ attempts. And it's not because I can't react or don't know what to do, but because of retard coding and 0,3ms server delay. I still have 10 or 11 free days. But I'm sick of it. Looks like I'm doing rage quit. Yep, I'm. Even if I kill titan, what's next? Coil? Waste my nerve there? No, thaks. I'm not going to resub, neither should you if you have same problems. This thread has like 65+ pages and still no response from SE. I'm out.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Cienna

This Thread Needs More Attention

http://gregorymancuso.com/wp-content...-of-shrink.gif

---

Awesome! lol

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Cienna

This Thread Needs More Attention

http://gregorymancuso.com/wp-content...-of-shrink.gif

---

This is now an elephant joke thread.

carry on...

I really really hope that SE gives us something about this... and comes up with a fix...

I have the absolute best internet I can get in my area. I have a near cutting edge computer. I have 13 years of raiding experience in virtually every major MMO that has been released. I have always been applauded as a great player and have even been a top server/world first raider in the past. But I go into a fight like Titan, and I do what I am supposed to do. I know the pattern and move preemptively. On my screen I react immediately and avoid everything, but somehow even though to me it looks like I am doing the same things as everyone else, I die. I know I am a knowledgeable and good player that pays attention and plays well, but I feel like a failure here and it is beyond frustrating. I wanted this to be the MMO I played for years but if this isn't fixed I will not be able to do the things I like to do and will have no choice but to go elsewhere.

As well as knowing my capabilities and my hardware, I can only imagine how horrible this game plays for people on lesser connections and computers... I feel for them, I really do...

lets make this a 100 page thread ;p

will SE respond if this issue gets to the media outlets? or when the subs suddenly drops?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Cienna

This Thread Needs More Attention

http://gregorymancuso.com/wp-content...-of-shrink.gif

---

This!!!!!!!!!!!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by olober

So, yesterday, I've found myself a group. We all were well geared and quite experienced. We've been trying to kill this guy for 7 or 8 hours still, we didn't make it. My personal number of attempts is like 100+. I can do it through pre-heart phase, because of constant moving. But after, it's impossible to move all the time. Yep, you can say that I don' know how to play this game. But this is first game in my 12years MMO histroy where I don't have any progress on boss after 100+ attempts. And it's not because I can't react or don't know what to do, but because of retard coding and 0,3ms server delay. I still have 10 or 11 free days. But I'm sick of it. Looks like I'm doing rage quit. Yep, I'm. Even if I kill titan, what's next? Coil? Waste my nerve there? No, thaks. I'm not going to resub, neither should you if you have same problems. This thread has like 65+ pages and still no response from SE. I'm out.

---

This.
Endgame is completely broken and unplayable.
And they're still ignoring us... pretending there isn't a problem.
This game will follow TOR's trail and will be dead soon (for the western market, at least) if they don't fix this *fast*.

SE, you did an amazing job saving this game from the disaster of 1.0.
Now do it again, or it would have been for nothing.

I've never got surprisingly hit by an AOE. Maybe my net speed makes it easier for me to dodge I don't know. But either way whenever I have got hit by AOE I knew that I was slow or got tunnel vision. I think a lot of people are trying to use "lag" or "crappy servers" as an excuse to their bad skills. Everyone in my guild used to say the same thing, after 5 or so raid days focusing on just Titan now everyone can one shot the whole fight without anyone getting hit by any aoe. That makes me believe that it's really the players skill and maybe learning curve for new MMO'ers.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by AmarantOrnitier

snip.

---

i shall quote this post below from a few pages back.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rydin

What most people defending the system and saying "You just have to know how to learn the patterns" don't realize is:

The poorly designed engine is going to gimp future content.

The thing is, I ENJOY Titan type fights. I just can't really enjoy them here because SE seems to be having trouble programming a game with responsiveness.

Why do you think Titan has a pattern? because SE knows the shortcomings of their coding. So all future content will be scripted and easily learned... requiring no actual skill beyond "Knowing what comes next"

Furthermore, SE is going to gimp stuff like Titan even more... thinking that will alleviate the problem... not realizing that we want Titan... just in a responsive, delay free environment.

Until that happens, Fights will be scripted and get gimped to facilitate shitty coding

---

Australian here. As a player I enjoy a challenge, and would welcome Titan HM or any hardmode boss as long as I know that if I looked like I dodged it, I did dodge it. It's harrying whenever I dodge that *Insert One Hit KO/Super Heavy Damage* ability I have to hold my breath and wait to see if I really dodged it or not a short while later. I know that being a player of the Oceanic region places me in an MMO blackspot, but I've played multiple other MMOs with their challenging content and I've managed just fine with a 250-315 ping. Playing the boss fights in this game forces me to see into the future, which is manageable in content with a recognizable pattern, but eventually this will change if they hope to keep content entertaining no? They can't keep the dance going forever.

Imagine a fight like Titan HM with no step by step move-set and he just chose to do everything completely random, relying on players to react then and there to every ability. It sounds like fun to me, but it'd be hell on players like me and others affected.

Point is, I congratulate those players who have adapted to this current situation, but if SE wants to vary their content in the future by moving away from the 'dance style' boss fights this particular roadblock needs to go. It affects player accountability in fights by forcing them to constantly question whether or not they have played their part based on the whims of the server, rather than by their own ability.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by AmarantOrnitier

Snip

---

Explain this to me then...

I know the pattern and preemptively move in preparation for plumes. Usually when it lands on you, you are directly in the middle. I usually end up around the same distance from the circle using the preemptive moving. A lot of the time this works fine and I take no damage. Other times I end up at the exact same distance from the circle and take damage even though I am out of it. I can't even trust that doing the same thing twice gives the same results...

Can you imagine a fight like Heroic Faction Champions from ToC in this game. Yeah me neither.

The problem with Titan HM and a lot of the instances is that what you see is not what's really happening. Based on the time of the day, when the server is more populated, server lag happens without you knowing. I've literally had to teach myself how to time in my head when the AOEs are going to happen rather than watch for the animations or ground indicators. For example, this type of lag has been occuring a lot on the Demon Wall in AK. I don't even bother following the line animation anymore. I just move my character based on counting in my head from the when the fight starts.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Dano

lets make this a 100 page thread ;p

will SE respond if this issue gets to the media outlets? or when the subs suddenly drops?

---

I am surprised the media/reviewers have not picked up on this yet, but sadly it is something you only really see at end game because of the 1 shot mechanics.

Maybe I'll send mmorpg.com, gamespot, IGN and Kotaku the link to this thread.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jinko

I am surprised the media/reviewers have not picked up on this yet, but sadly it is something you only really see at end game because of the 1 shot mechanics.

Maybe I'll send mmorpg.com, gamespot, IGN and Kotaku the link to this thread.

---

also add this one http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...less-rewarding.

Ironically bad publicity might be what this game needs to become great.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ruprect

Yes welcome to the new generation of MMO! We will be adding more and more server and skill lag to make the game harder instead of coming up with innovative ways to really make mechanics harder. Difficult should not be based on ones ability to make up for latency, it shoud be based on fun mechanics.

Shit is not difficult, this game has the same mechanics as every other MMO... DONT STAND IN SHIT LOL. But with the horrible ability and server lag it is almost impossible at times to get out of it unless you move before it shows up.

---

Maybe it's your computer then. I haven't lagged at all that I can remember.

And I agree, this game isn't really difficult; it's just a little more difficult then the dubbed down versions of recent MMOs, but hey, I'm not the one complaining. :)

FFXIV Endgame in a Nutshell, quadrillion people idling in Revenants and spamming around:

Day in, day out.

http://i.imgur.com/mvfrUtu.jpg

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by HazyMoon

Maybe it's your computer then.

---

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...pjaj4FdaV3VWAR

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MrHeat

bmhu

Finally someone post proof. that is exactly what happened to me fighting titan. really not looking forward to HM Titan

---

OMGS! Totally love this video. Hope SE fix it quickly, free subscription almost end soon!

Something for SE to think about...

Quote:

---

Gameplay is the biggest detractor in A Realm Reborn. An issue that was brought up in beta and was never addressed is the ability delay in the game. At this point it would appear that SE has just thrown in the towel and said they have done the best they can with it. For those that have not played the game yet here are a few examples. Most enemies telegraph that they are going to perform a special type of attack or maneuver. When they do this will have a casting bar and they will illuminate the ground where the effect is going to take place. Players can run out of this area of effect before the casting bar completes and still get hit by the spell.

On the opposite side of this you can run into the area before the cast bar completes and not get hit by the effect. Also if this an interruptible ability and it is interrupted after about two thirds of the cast bar has completed the ability will still cast. Most people after playing the game for a period of time get used to this. This is not something that players should have to get used to. This is something that the developers should fix. There are too many MMOs out there that get this right. It is unacceptable that an MMO released in 2013 cannot.

---

Source

Shame that the reviewer still gave Gameplay a 7, and the game an 8.6 or something, even considering that.

"Gameplay is great, except for the core of gameplay"

Hi,

They just replied to a post I made in the bugs section, please update this post.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by InayaHotek

Hello everyone,

Thank you all for your feedback regarding this matter! We greatly appreciate the information you've gathered to help us address this concern and can definitely understand how frustrating it is to deal with the delays you've mentioned.

I can assure you that if your report was moved to Accepted Bugs, we have received it and the matter will be looked into with importance. At this time, we must ask for your patience while your report is being investigated further.

We also kindly ask that you post any feedback, suggestions, or complaints that you may have in the General Discussions area, as the In-Game Bugs section is strictly used only for reporting possible issues with the game.

Please make sure to keep an eye for any possible updates here on the forum and the Lodestone website once there is further information!

Thank you again for your patience and understanding.

-SQUARE ENIX MODERATOR

---

It looks like a very generic answer to me, but I also feel this is the maximum amount of information, feedback, and concern we will get from their part, so I guess we can give up on reporting this.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Vektrat

Hi,

They just replied to a post I made in the bugs section, please update this post.



It looks like a very generic answer to me, but I also feel this is the maximum amount of information, feedback, and concern we will get from their part, so I guess we can give up on reporting this.

---

No we need to keep this thread active and going so it doesn't get sent into the meh maybe we will fix it pile. They need to see how much it is harming their game and realize they will lose players because of this once said players hit endgame, hopefully this will force them to lead the elephant to proper pastures so the issue can finally be laid to rest!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Asmodeus

No we need to keep this thread active and going so it doesn't get sent into the meh maybe we will fix it pile.

---

Well it's funny because he said that if we had any complaints they should go here, however this place looks even more devserted than the bugs one :p

It's funny that this post is already degenerating into subculture stuff (elephant in the room!)

17 of my guild started this game 3 weeks ago. Fewer and fewer have been logging in lately, and this has been the main reason why. We're now at the point where it's only me still logging in, and I sure won't be here after the first month.

So it doesn't really matter what they do now, the game is done as far as I'm concerned. But hopefully future MMOs will learn from this - it doesn't matter how much polish and fancy cutscenes a game has, if basic combat mechanics don't work because of crappy server coding you've got no chance.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Vektrat

Hi,

They just replied to a post I made in the bugs section, please update this post.



It looks like a very generic answer to me, but I also feel this is the maximum amount of information, feedback, and concern we will get from their part, so I guess we can give up on reporting this.

---

It is generic. The truth is, with what they stated on the GCD thread, I don't think they can fix it. With PvP, and non-scripted boss battles, you will see more people give up. Some will post, but the greater number will simply quietly move on. SE better hope they have the numbers a year from now to keep the game going. I heard the went in deep red with the relaunch.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Vektrat

Hi,

They just replied to a post I made in the bugs section, please update this post.

It looks like a very generic answer to me, but I also feel this is the maximum amount of information, feedback, and concern we will get from their part, so I guess we can give up on reporting this.

---

First off, if they actually intended to do anything or have done anything they would actually reply to this thread; Second to that the response is scripted, generic, bullshit. At this point any reply besides how they intend to fix this in exact detail is pointless, time is almost up for the initial sub from purchase of the game, this is not a 2013 MMO problem, this is enough people wanting to pretend they are some kind of new elite because they play without these problems and the game devs wanting to believe they are just as good as the 'elite' claim they are, so they fix nothing, they just polish.

*1000 chars* *Part II*

Ironically enough the trolls in shining white armor only serve to feed a thread that should not be ignored, it servers as a bitter reminder no matter how much evidence or how much fact you offer, some people are just determined to bury their head in the sand and hum. *cue ostrich*

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by HazyMoon

Maybe it's your computer then. I haven't lagged at all that I can remember.

And I agree, this game isn't really difficult; it's just a little more difficult then the dubbed down versions of recent MMOs, but hey, I'm not the one complaining. :)

---

I could insult you, point out the specs of my rig, compare them to others running the same setup, compare pingtests, traceroute connections, FRAPS fights and show the error; I could tell you all of this from a network engineer's perspective, perhaps offer some helpful suggestions to improve the problem.

If I did this I would only be repeating what other people have been saying for over Sixty Five Fucking Pages; Get your head out of your ass and read the post before you empty your bowels on the forum.