Character graphical changes are NOT in an acceptable state, please make it optional

I really like the new look on my Raen. Though there seems to be a strange difference in texture on the horns vs the scales.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...5594dc7b43e44&

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Originally Posted by Doopliss

I personally do think these questions are portrayed a little black and white, when the situation is far more grey...

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The situation is very grey, I agree. That's what we're discussing. :)

if anything I think the situation up to this point has been discussed very black and white. Most of the posts in this thread are black and white "my character is ruined" "no it isn't." Repeat forever.

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Originally Posted by Mylandra

I would like to share this with you.

For context, I've been playing this game since January 2014 and I have 18k hours of playtime so yeah I've been staring at my character the whole time and I was really affected when I saw it in the benchmark. To me, she looked too different and I was really disappointed.

However, I've somehow managed to make a character I like and I hope my advice can help some of you.

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This is a great post!

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Originally Posted by Doopliss

I personally do think these questions are portrayed a little black and white, when the situation is far more grey...

For example, since so many people think others are being dramatic and see very little changes, and simply enjoy the upgrade--do you really think they would feel any different about it if the upgrade was done more precisely to have the facial features and makeup look like the current models'?

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I don't think it's fair to paint people that like the updated looks as indifferent to change.
I like the update (mostly) and I would rather them keep it as is (with minor changes to the face markings and mooncat fangs).
I don't want the devs to go back and do a 1 to 1 port, because it can look weird/bad for one reason or another.
I trust the developers and the character designers to know what they are doing.

I've also heard concerns among friends over the idea that the devs might roll back changes in order to please the people complaining on the forums.
In my experience, the reaction to the update is majorly positive, however, people happy with their update have fewer reasons to go on the forums and voice their opinion.
This does not invalidate their opinion at all.
Do the opinions of people that frequent the forums hold more weight?
I don't know, but I hope the devs aren't only taking into account the opinions of the people complaining.

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Originally Posted by Mylandra

I would like to share this with you.

For context, I've been playing this game since January 2014 and I have 18k hours of playtime so yeah I've been staring at my character the whole time and I was really affected when I saw it in the benchmark. To me, she looked too different and I was really disappointed.

However, I've somehow managed to make a character I like and I hope my advice can help some of you.


The 1st piece of advice I can give you is to check the system configuration and your current character lighting setting.

For comparison, it seems that the character lighting is at 0 in EW benchmark and at 100 (or maybe 50, I don't know) in DT benchmark

https://i.ibb.co/8KxNnVP/1.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/ZW4kFs5/2.jpg

This is how my character looks in game, with 0,50 and 100 character lighting and 2 different light source.
as you can see, lighting has a strong impact on your look.

https://i.ibb.co/fVwcJdH/3.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/W0Kcv26/4.jpg

The 2nd tip is to use your current game settings in benchmark. This can help, especially when your chin and neck seem to blend together at max settings. I tried it and the jawline was more visible.

My final tip is to import your character's current hairstyle if it's not available in the benchmark, and try to change small details like eye or skin color.
In my case, when I saw my character with her usual hairstyle during the cutscenes I was like "ok I recognize my wol but the skin is too dark and the eye color doesn't look natural"

https://i.ibb.co/qk8h2P0/5.png

I used a free fantasia I had on an alt that has access to the aesthetician, switched to midlander and changed the eye and skin color, then I bought the hairstyle at the MB (I lost 2 million gils but it was worth it tbh)

here is how it turned out :

https://i.ibb.co/ZXqH48X/6.png
https://i.ibb.co/pPTwzK5/7.png
https://i.ibb.co/tLT5Gp3/8.jpg

it's not really "same and better" but rather "very similar and pretty cool". :o
I hope it's helpful for anyone ♥

And please let's be nice to each other
(+ I'm sorry english is not my native language so there may be some mistakes)

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This is great information! Thanks for taking the time and effort to put it together and share it.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

The situation is very grey, I agree. That's what we're discussing. :)

if anything I think the situation up to this point has been discussed very black and white. Most of the posts in this thread are black and white "my character is ruined" "no it isn't." Repeat forever.

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Huh? I mean, that's not really what I was trying to discuss in that specific reply, but, uh...yeah.

I want to be empathetic here, I really do, but I feel like those who keep saying that people keep posting that their character has been ruined has been like, posted more than the people actually saying that, if you catch my drift.

Well, more so, it's been like, the same select few people saying it, arguing with another group of repeated visitors. Many of those who dislike the changes and post calmer thoughts on why they dislike the changes get ignored or either a few attempts at some bad faith questions before coming to an agreement, at worst.

I understand that the people you are talking about have used extreme, aggressive language, and I know that can be upsetting to see. I suppose I just see it as mostly inoffensive since it's solely their own character they're insulting, even if exaggerated. Then again, I just don't tend to take people who're clearly acting on emotions 100% literally...

But I think I need to follow my own advice and back off from asking questions like these. See you all, and, again, I hope you keep voicing your concerns and that SE takes care.

EDIT: Literally just noticed two posts above that there's a reply written toward my last post answering with the assumption that I implied way more extreme measures than I actually did. That has now happened twice from the same group of people presenting these arguments. Yeah, I'm sorry if I come across as rude at this point, but I super gotta take my own advice.

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Originally Posted by Loggos

I actually completely agree. This is why I'm clinging so hard to the tiny bit of edge that's offered in face 4, haha. Because now even this pathetic hint of severity is gone.



Please infiltrate SE and become their new character artist. I would love more harsh looks for fem au ras. ;0;

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I really hope this isn't overstepping any boundaries and I absolutely would never dictate to someone else how they should make their character but curiosity got the better of me and I made a very rough version of your face 4 Aura girl because I was curious how smaller irises and altered makeup could work to make the brow appear angrier. It means no cute star facepaint tho sadly! These are obviously in conjunction with emotes and animations but now I'm convinced we need some kind of setting for a permanent facial expression emote because the difference the brow makes even in the first 2 frames of an emote makes a huge difference! Again I'm so sorry if this is weird I just wanted to share how much of a difference even a slight tweak to the brow angle can make ^^ /grovel

https://i.imgur.com/LSQAhUw.png

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Originally Posted by Mouthbone

I don't think it's fair to paint people that like the updated looks as indifferent to change.
I like the update (mostly) and I would rather them keep it as is (with minor changes to the face markings and mooncat fangs).
I don't want the devs to go back and do a 1 to 1 port, because it can look weird/bad for one reason or another.
I trust the developers and the character designers to know what they are doing.

I've also heard concerns among friends over the idea that the devs might roll back changes in order to please the people complaining on the forums.
In my experience, the reaction to the update is majorly positive, however, people happy with their update have fewer reasons to go on the forums and voice their opinion.
This does not invalidate their opinion at all.
Do the opinions of people that frequent the forums hold more weight?
I don't know, but I hope the devs aren't only taking into account the opinions of the people complaining.

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people come to forums specifically to complain, the most negative emotive are the loudest.

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Originally Posted by OgruMogru

... now I'm convinced we need some kind of setting for a permanent facial expression emote...

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ESO have a nice costumization feature where one can equip a Personality.
Some do more than others, but many of them alters the way a character either stands, walks, runs and idle animations & facial expressions.
This could solve a lot of things and add a whole new way of people to express their characters personality.

However, I can already see that some might be locked behind raids/pvp/achivements and people will complain as to "why lock something behind something only x% of people play" reactions.

I'm really tired of hearing people say to adjust the lighting and gamma. I have. Many of us have. We've tried edits, angles, lights, settings, anything to make our characters look like themselves again, but nothing works. I made the settings the same and took identical screenshots in multiple lighting conditions in the current game and benchmark that are in the Au Ra changes thread to show that this is not a lighting issue. Changing the environment and and gamma setting doesn't do anything to fix the fundamental changes they made to my character's facial structure. Hyur players made it through relatively intact, judging by looking through all these threads. Many other races did not. Like these lips are just not even remotely close to each other.
https://i.imgur.com/Kuh5Cu5.png

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Originally Posted by CuteBucket

I'm really tired of hearing people say to adjust the lighting and gamma. I have. Many of us have. We've tried edits, angles, lights, settings, anything to make our characters look like themselves again, but nothing works. I made the settings the same and took identical screenshots in multiple lighting conditions in the current game and benchmark that are in the Au Ra changes thread to show that this is not a lighting issue. Changing the environment and and gamma setting doesn't do anything to fix the fundamental changes they made to my character's facial structure. Hyur players made it through relatively intact, judging by looking through all these threads. Many other races did not. Like these lips are just not even remotely close to each other.
https://i.imgur.com/Kuh5Cu5.png

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My male middie had it bad. Real bad >.> Here :cry:

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Originally Posted by CuteBucket

I'm really tired of hearing people say to adjust the lighting and gamma. I have. Many of us have. We've tried edits, angles, lights, settings, anything to make our characters look like themselves again, but nothing works. I made the settings the same and took identical screenshots in multiple lighting conditions in the current game and benchmark that are in the Au Ra changes thread to show that this is not a lighting issue. Changing the environment and and gamma setting doesn't do anything to fix the fundamental changes they made to my character's facial structure. Hyur players made it through relatively intact, judging by looking through all these threads. Many other races did not. Like these lips are just not even remotely close to each other.
https://i.imgur.com/Kuh5Cu5.png

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The shape of the lips on the left are beautiful
I find the new one off-putting in comparison

I've been wretching and crying for ten minutes looking at the lips on the right. They are an affront to common decency, truth, freedom, and the American way.
The lips on the left could win the EGOT. My word, they are the most beautiful shape I have ever seen.

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Originally Posted by CuteBucket

I'm really tired of hearing people say to adjust the lighting and gamma. I have. Many of us have. We've tried edits, angles, lights, settings, anything to make our characters look like themselves again, but nothing works. I made the settings the same and took identical screenshots in multiple lighting conditions in the current game and benchmark that are in the Au Ra changes thread to show that this is not a lighting issue. Changing the environment and and gamma setting doesn't do anything to fix the fundamental changes they made to my character's facial structure. Hyur players made it through relatively intact, judging by looking through all these threads. Many other races did not. Like these lips are just not even remotely close to each other.
https://i.imgur.com/Kuh5Cu5.png

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they are. all intents and purposes, the same lips

DIFFRENCES
The "sharpness" of the lips are softnes due to more polygonal structures, same way an decagon is smoother than a square

lips are no longer glossy: i get this, i feel this is like, a majority of peoples issues. I dont dislike matte, but adding another seperate gloss option would go a long way

YES!! I picked FemRa face 3 lips 2 because I loved her lips so much! They're a huge charm point for me! I don't understand at all why they would so radically change the shape like this T-T

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Originally Posted by 4clubbedace

they are. all intents and purposes, the same lips

DIFFRENCES
The "sharpness" of the lips are softnes due to more polygonal structures, same way an decagon is smoother than a square

lips are no longer glossy: i get this, i feel this is like, a majority of peoples issues. I dont dislike matte, but adding another seperate gloss option would go a long way

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Excuse me? Are you trying to gaslight me? No, they are clearly not the same. Not even close. The look LOWER RES than the current lips. The shape of the top lip is much more pointy in the benchmark. The shape of the bottom of the top lip is completely flattened. The bottom lip is smaller and no longer protrudes over the shadow the lip casts, as seen in the 3rd row pic.

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Originally Posted by CuteBucket

Not even close.

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Alright that's it, I'm going to spontaneously combust.

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Originally Posted by CuteBucket

Excuse me? Are you trying to gaslight me? No, they are clearly not the same. Not even close. The look LOWER RES than the current lips. The shape of the top lip is much more pointy in the benchmark. The shape of the bottom of the top lip is completely flattened. The bottom lip is smaller and no longer protrudes over the shadow the lip casts, as seen in the 3rd row pic.

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mate i dont know what to tell you, theres some diffrences, one i said that is a fix they could do to make it look more like ew, but below gloss they look the same to me.

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Originally Posted by 4clubbedace

they are. all intents and purposes, the same lips

DIFFRENCES
The "sharpness" of the lips are softnes due to more polygonal structures, same way an decagon is smoother than a square

lips are no longer glossy: i get this, i feel this is like, a majority of peoples issues. I dont dislike matte, but adding another seperate gloss option would go a long way

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I'm sorry and I honestly don't mean to be rude, but that is just not how it works. "Smoothness" in 3D graphics has very, very little to do with actual poly counts. It has to do with things like shaders and spec maps.

In fact, I strongly doubt the poly count has been increased very much at all. This is not a dig at the graphics but simply, you don't need huge polycounts to achieve better results.

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Originally Posted by Tethan

I'm sorry and I honestly don't mean to be rude, but that is just not how it works. "Smoothness" in 3D graphics has very, very little to do with actual poly counts. It has to do with things like shaders and spec maps.

In fact, I strongly doubt the poly count has been increased very much at all. This is not a dig at the graphics but simply, you don't need huge polycounts to achieve better results.

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thats not entirely true either, diminishing returns are there for incresed count (and we know that more "bones" have been added to the mesh as well) and all of them work together hand in hand

but you really going to tell me that a enneadecagon is less smooth than a pentagon? or how, saw, solid snake mgs2 isnt smoother than solid snake circa mgs1? the later if that bastard hedbutted me with his sharp ass angled head id be brought in deep cuts.

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

ESO have a nice costumization feature where one can equip a Personality.
Some do more than others, but many of them alters the way a character either stands, walks, runs and idle animations & facial expressions.
This could solve a lot of things and add a whole new way of people to express their characters personality.

However, I can already see that some might be locked behind raids/pvp/achivements and people will complain as to "why lock something behind something only x% of people play" reactions.

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Oh I would love something like this, I long for a perma /smirk! Posture/stride customization like Dragon's Dogma would be great too ;_;

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Originally Posted by 4clubbedace

thats not entirely true either, diminishing returns are there for incresed count (and we know that more "bones" have been added to the mesh as well) and all of them work together hand in hand

but you really going to tell me that a enneadecagon is less smooth than a pentagon? or how, saw, solid snake mgs2 isnt smoother than solid snake circa mgs1? the later if that bastard hedbutted me with his sharp ass angled head id be brought in deep cuts.

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To achieve "smoothness" via higher polycount requires enormous amounts of polygons. Only an absolute amateur with do it that way. Again, I'm sorry but you clearly don't know what you are talking about. Textures are bad, get over it.

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Originally Posted by twobear

Alright that's it, I'm going to spontaneously combust.

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me when i'm normal and lacking dramaticism

i'll give myself with this one to count this as a third whammy in my attempt to have a discussion with the nebulous group of people on the "other side" frequenting these posts, but like, come on, dude. lol. if my attempt at having you consider empathy resulted in "i have to kiss their ASSES?" you need to go shoot the shit more with your friends or somethin' instead of malding at embarrassing forum posts with your own embarrassing forum posts. it was more of a call to like, i don't know, not let it get under your skin.

i'm sorry for letting go of any refinement in my words but i don't plan to respond to this thread after this but come on guys. i promise the graphics update isn't going anywhere, it's okay. you don't have to be scared too. a full rollback is unheard of within this time frame of release.

i mean i'm equally embarrassing and at fault for attempting to think forum-goers in general could let go of hyperbole, so that is on me. anyway, time to return to pvp. game pvp, i guess. see you all in dawntrail or something

I think the benchmark character creator for dawntrail has (Character Lighting) turned on, because theres no way to adjust it in the benchmark settings, and the whole character lighting appearance is very similar to how it looks in the live game when turned to 100% in the graphical settings.

The first image (you can click them to make them larger) was taken in the current live game, ignore the cheek tattoo, but she looks cute right?

https://i.ibb.co/NnwZWj1/ffxiv-11102...4206-744v3.jpg

The second image was taken in the dawntrail benchmark. As you can see the character lighting is turned way up for some reason.

https://i.ibb.co/P66sqsf/dawntrailcatv3.jpg

But notice the eyebrows? Their grey and look weird, like they were stuck on her face, even in other lighting conditions it still looks grey and weird, compared to the first image.

The eyes look visbly more open, if you look at the pupils (the dark bit) their shown fully, whereas in the first image it is ever so slightly cut off at the top, giving the eyes a more almond like shape, and cuter imo compared to the update.

The eyes also have a fake eyeshadow above them, and a shadow covering the top of the eye itself, it looks weird and i don't like it personally. The eyes also look dead which alot of people have complained about.

The lips have no shine to them, very matte, unlike the first image, but that could be due to the character lighting being turned up, as it washes out gloss effects i think.

These things are very noticeable, there is no way you cannot see the differences between the images, the eyebrows especially, and the weird eyeshadows. My character looks way less cute in the update compared to live and i hope it gets addressed.

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Originally Posted by OgruMogru

Oh I would love something like this, I long for a perma /smirk! Posture/stride customization like Dragon's Dogma would be great too ;_;

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you can already do something like this in portrait, choosing different face expressions, seperate from the actual body emote you do.

I dont think its out of the realm of possibility for you to choose a select of facial expressions as a "resting" face at idle. thinks like, grin, smirk, furrow.

this is why i have a hard time empathizing with a lot of the unconstructive nonfeedback of "the personality changed!!!" when there isnt any personality in either before or after since everyone is set at a neutral idle anyways.

but have the ability to choose an actual expression would give a lot of personality to characters and would go a long way

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Originally Posted by Doopliss

I'll be honest...I do still genuinely wonder why these things are weighed the same? I hate arguing about this sort of thing, because I know it never ends up well--but, if I'm allowed to be a little more blunt with my thoughts, I don't understand why people who prefer the new look should be given the same weight as those who prefer the old ones? I don't mean this dismissively, I say this because my reasoning is:
1. Nobody has gotten to actually play with the new looks yet.
2. People who prefer the new looks, I assume--hope?--made and currently play characters they enjoy the looks of.

This is of course, me thinking with the resolution them being fixing the features so that they're in line with what they look like now. Not like, reverting the graphics update...which I still honestly haven't seen many people actually call for.

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I wish more people understood this. I'm not expecting there to be a rollback (though I hope they do some work to address complaints), but "liking the new better and being made to go back to something you still liked before, if slightly less" and "liking the old better and being made to change to something you don't like at all" are not comparable.

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Originally Posted by AmaliaFuma

I think the benchmark character creator for dawntrail has (Character Lighting) turned on, because theres no way to adjust it in the benchmark settings, and the whole character lighting appearance is very similar to how it looks in the live game when turned to 100% in the graphical settings.

The first image was taken in the current live game, ignore the cheek tattoo, but she looks cute right?

https://i.ibb.co/NnwZWj1/ffxiv-11102...4206-744v3.jpg

The second image was taken in the dawntrail benchmark. As you can see the character lighting is turned way up for some reason.

https://i.ibb.co/P66sqsf/dawntrailcatv3.jpg

But notice the eyebrows? Their grey and look weird, like they were stuck on her face, even in other lighting conditions it still looks grey and weird, compared to the first image.

The eyes look visbly more open, if you look at the pupils (the dark bit) their shown fully, whereas in the first image it is ever so slightly cut off at the top, giving the eyes a more almond like shape, and cuter imo compared to the update.

The eyes also have a fake eyeshadow above them, and a shadow covering the top of the eye itself, it looks weird and i don't like it personally. The eyes also look dead which alot of people have complained about.

The lips have no shine to them, very matte, unlike the first image, but that could be due to the character lighting being turned up, as it washes out gloss effects i think.

These things are very noticeable, there is no way you cannot see the differences between the images, the eyebrows especially, and the weird eyeshadows. My character looks way less cute in the update compared to live and i hope it gets addressed.

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I have a little conspiracy theory they might have forced character lighting on to hide that they did not in fact fix self-shadows in stark light, but we will see. If the option to change character light disappears in 7.0 I can guess why.

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Originally Posted by Tethan

I have a little conspiracy theory they might have forced character lighting on to hide that they did not in fact fix self-shadows in stark light, but we will see. If the option to change character light disappears in 7.0 I can guess why.

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Character lighting should be off by default, i only use it really when i want to check colours and other details in the hairdresser mode, and glam reasons. It messes with the natural lighting otherwise, so hopefully they don't force it on with the update, because that would be baaad.

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Originally Posted by Doopliss

me when i'm normal and lacking dramaticism

i'll give myself with this one to count this as a third whammy in my attempt to have a discussion with the nebulous group of people on the "other side" frequenting these posts, but like, come on, dude. lol. if my attempt at having you consider empathy resulted in "i have to kiss their ASSES?" you need to go shoot the shit more with your friends or somethin' instead of malding at embarrassing forum posts with your own embarrassing forum posts. it was more of a call to like, i don't know, not let it get under your skin.

i'm sorry for letting go of any refinement in my words but i don't plan to respond to this thread after this but come on guys. i promise the graphics update isn't going anywhere, it's okay. you don't have to be scared too. a full rollback is unheard of within this time frame of release.

i mean i'm equally embarrassing and at fault for attempting to think forum-goers in general could let go of hyperbole, so that is on me. anyway, time to return to pvp. game pvp, i guess. see you all in dawntrail or something

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I think you're taking that post more seriously than I intended it to be. Because my first post in this thread said that if I have to see one more person call two very similar looking faces 'completely different' I would spontaneously combust.

You're not wrong though, reading these endless histrionics is doing my nut in. Time to dip I think.

https://cdn.betterttv.net/emote/658f...77148d/1x.webphttps://cdn.betterttv.net/emote/5e44...3dad6f/1x.webphttps://cdn.betterttv.net/emote/5b3e...60c7f7/1x.webphttps://cdn.betterttv.net/emote/5e44...3dad6f/1x.webphttps://cdn.betterttv.net/emote/658f...77148d/1x.webp

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Originally Posted by AmaliaFuma

https://i.ibb.co/NnwZWj1/ffxiv-11102...4206-744v3.jpg https://i.ibb.co/P66sqsf/dawntrailcatv3.jpg

But notice the eyebrows? They're grey and look weird, like they were stuck on her face, even in other lighting conditions it still looks grey and weird, compared to the first image.

The eyes also have a fake eyeshadow above them, and a shadow covering the top of the eye itself, it looks weird and i don't like it personally. The eyes also look dead which a lot of people have complained about.

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My duskwight has the exact same issue with her eyebrows! They now have a smudge with a fully blonde streak drawn on top, when it used to have black in the mix making the whole brow look darker and more defined. Even when the hair is blonde it doesn't look good to fill in the brows with a white line, that's why I chose a face with dark brows in the first place.

Eyes are also dead looking because the top half is darker. If luster spots / light reflections are appearing right under the top lashes, light is clearly hitting that part of the eye. So why is it so dark?

https://i.postimg.cc/qR8WHfRf/DTbench-Eyebrows.png

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My duskwight has the exact same issue with her eyebrows! They now have a smudge with a fully blonde streak drawn on top, when it used to have black in the mix making the whole brow look darker and more defined. Even when the hair is blonde it doesn't look good to fill in the brows with a white line, that's why I chose a face with dark brows in the first place.

Eyes are also dead looking because the top half is darker. If luster spots / light reflections are appearing right under the top lashes, light is clearly hitting that part of the eye. So why is it so dark?

https://i.postimg.cc/qR8WHfRf/DTbench-Eyebrows.png

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Ah that's unfortunate... It looks like that black was supposed to suggest a shadow/3dimensionality and the color above it was supposed to be your actual eyebrow hair color :x
Now it looks like you just had the middle of your eyebrows shaved!! :x

(also, I think the top eyes look WAAAAAAAAAAAY better than the bottom eyes. They look way more alive than the cartoon "dot" shine with flat iris colors.)

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Now it looks like you just had the middle of your eyebrows shaved!! :x

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Yes it does and honestly it's changed the character's face too much for me to enjoy it anymore. There is no gamma setting or lighting angle that will make my brows dark again and it is also not something I can toggle in the character creation menu.

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Originally Posted by twobear

I think most of us who think you guys are wildly overreacting can see the differences, we simply disagree that they are 'huge' and 'completely ruin' the character, who is now 'unrecognisable'. If I have to look at two more pictures of 99% identical catgirls and be told that they 'don't even look remotely similar' I will spontaneously combust.

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I'm actually curious now what you think of the differences as highlighted in my posts here and here (the sliders show more examples)
Individually, the differences may be small, but add enough small differences together and you end up with an overall different impression, I would say.

I agree I can't see the differences as well in many other examples but I assumed it's because I haven't been looking at those characters as much (some are very obvious to me though, even if it's not my own character).

Whether other people /like/ the differences is sort of beside the point when people are arguing it no longer looks like their character, I think.

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I'm actually curious now what you think of the differences as highlighted in my posts here and here (the sliders show more examples)
Individually, the differences may be small, but add enough small differences together and you end up with an overall different impression, I would say.

I agree I can't see the differences as well in many other examples but I assumed it's because I haven't been looking at those characters as much (some are very obvious to me though, even if it's not my own character).

Whether other people /like/ the differences is sort of beside the point when people are arguing it no longer looks like their character, I think.

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I think you did a great job personally, I was impressed. But if you keep engaging in these type of arguments - it will never end, as some past conversations here showed. It only invites more provocation as a result. A never ending cycle.
So it is obviously up to you, but ignore is a wonderful feature. I highly recommend.

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https://i.postimg.cc/qR8WHfRf/DTbench-Eyebrows.png

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Um... barring the obvious lighter eyebrows...

I think the new eyes and make your character look very pretty, more unique, and a lot less like a cartoon. The glow in the lower part give her so much character while the top darker part makes them look deeper and more interesting... but that's just me though.

Endwalker :

https://i.imgur.com/cmv77GM.png

Dawntrail :

https://i.imgur.com/3uiOL4J.png

Not a fan of the eye region change as well, eyebrows are too thin and shape changed.
Lost the overall sharpness of the eyes

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I think you did a great job personally, I was impressed. But if you keep engaging in these type of arguments - it will never end, as some past conversations here showed. It only invites more provocation as a result. A never ending cycle.
So it is obviously up to you, but ignore is a wonderful feature. I highly recommend.

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Hm, you may be right. I suppose I was just curious how others perceived the differences I pointed out as for me they seem more obvious than others I've seen. Not like it's a competition of any kind of course, but I was wondering how much of it was the fact that I have known this character for literally 10 years xD
But I agree that perhaps such a discussion is off-topic. I do hope that if devs read this thread they will find the posts that are actually constructive.

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Hello, I've had a male miqo main for a few years and I've used Face 1 for its soft features and to my eyes aesthetically appealing proportions of nose to mouth. At first glance of Face 4 I can already see that it's as if they took Face 1 and Face 4 together, and Face 4 lost alot of its unique identity in the process in my personal opinion. I gravitate toward's softer looks rather than harsh/angular ones- which to me is the main charm of Face 4. Even to someone like me who was never a fan of that face, I feel like the charming/defining factors have been lost/watered down.

I feel like alot of other faces have suffered the 'the uniqueness is gone' compared to other faces in the same race category. I see it too in face 4 for female miqos.

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https://i.postimg.cc/qR8WHfRf/DTbench-Eyebrows.png

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I get what you're saying with the eyebrows, but the eyes in the top image are far superior to the eyes in the bottom image.

I have a thread with my complaints for Roegadyn, but I thought I'd compile it here too.

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After a few days to get over how upset I was over how different my character looked in the 7.0 benchmark, I decided to gather my thoughts and put that energy to make a thread of things that I hope the devs will look at while fine-tuning the Graphics update.

I play on PS4, gamma is set to 50% by default, with the same setting on the benchmark this is the results I got.

https://i.imgur.com/ZzS1duR.png

To say I was devastated is an understatement. I have 40 characters, 37 of them are face 2 Roegadyn, and no matter how I changed the options, I could not get my character to look right. And no, looking at her in the trailer did not help. The colors were still washed out and looked bad, and a lot of the features of Female Roegadyn have changed a lot and completely changed the impression of the face.

I took the time again to try with the beta set to 25% game and 0% and it helped a lot for the colors though everything still looks like it has a yellow/green/grey hue to it.

Though the colors are almost correct, a lot of features still look wrong.

So I took the time to point out some things that I think change the face too much.

https://i.imgur.com/iAsBCb9.jpg

I'm sure most people are probably not seeing many differences, but I look at this face almost everyday and to me it uncanny in a bad way.

https://i.imgur.com/cvt03WJ.jpg

1 & 2. You can see that the upper lips shape has been drastically changed. This is mouth option 1. In the 7.0 benchmark the lip has lost a lot of shape and definition.

3. This is eye option 1. While in the current game the lashes have a gentle slope down, they now slope up. It's not just for this eye option either. Every single eye option has lashes that slope up. This gives the face a much sharper look than before. The only eye option for face 2 that slops down a little is eye option 4, and those eyes are smaller and rounder.

All of the noses on face 2 look too round, too bulbous. The noses on the other faces don't look at bad, so I'm confused as to why all of the nose options on face 2 were made to look so different. There are already threads that complain about how they've lightened our nose ash smudge, so I'll leave those here;

Benchmark Graphics Update - Hellsguard Roegadyn (Smudgegate 2024)

Benchmark Feedback for Hellsguard Roe: Bring Back The Smudge

For mouth 1 They don't look as drastically changed from the front, though the lack of lip shine makes them look thinner overall, the lack of shade in the corner also changes the impression of the lips. None of the other options fair any better.

I don't feel like the profile view looks too different, and from above looks great too... but I do not look at my characters from this angle very often...

https://i.imgur.com/q5nxdeZ.png

And lastly, the cupids bow\philtrum.

This is much more noticeable on my darker skinned characters, but the philtrum ridge above the lips do not match up with the lip on any of the face options other than face 4. It looks bad in my opinion, it elongates the area between the nose and mouth and gives the impression of a chimpanzee muzzle.

I would like it if it matched the contour of the lip, I can't think of ever seeing a person where the cupids bow and lip were so mismatched.

I'd prefer none.

There is also already a thread with complaints about the change in our pupils so I'd like to point folks to that for feedback on that;

[Graphic Update Feedback] Female Roegadyn Eyes

That's all I have for now, I hope that the devs will consider these adjustments. I've been Roegadyn since 2013, I love my characters with all my heart and it's so heart-wrenching to look at them and to think that come Dawntrail I'll never get to enjoy the game with them.

Thanks for your consideration!

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