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Originally Posted by jon041065

This situation just has extra side content into the mix that hopefully won't be removed.

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If Diadem is still in the game, I think the Masked Carnival is safe.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

Unlike what they did for a lot of jobs up until this point, this time they wanted to keep the iconic kind of toolkit Blue Magic had to offer in previous titles. This toolkit doesn't correspond to the strict design space and balance that is imposed on regular jobs. So, in order to do that, they created a new type of jobs: limited jobs.

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But they could've given BLU all of that and still made them an unlimited job by giving them a parallel skillset, like they do for PvP for all jobs. They already implemented a lot of things we asked for, like locking content behind skill acquisition instead of level, and saying we'd need to divise a rotation using the skills we have (and mind you, just because BLMs have Enochian and Fire IV doesn't mean we don't see BLMs spamming Blizzard in 60+ content, so their concern for BLU specifically is again laughable). BLU is already halfway to the hybrid job many of us want it to be, they just don't go the rest of the way and they have repeatedly failed in supplying good reasons, least of all ones that weren't contradicted or fell apart the next time they talked about BLU.

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anyone with a little bit of game design knowledge would be able to understand why they took this decision, and what goal they wanted to achieve.

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Hi, software engineer with background in game design and over a decade of experience under my belt here. No, I don't get it. Feel free to share with the rest of the class. Because right now the only reason I see to this current design, without them saying this is a beta/testing phase, is laziness.

In my opinion, they should use what we're getting from the limited job and use it as a backbone to produce a "proper" version of Blue Mage. Keep the learning mechanic and the spell book, but make that a Masked Carnival specific set of things. So for regular content you have something closer to Red Mage and Black Mage, but once you jump in the Masked Carnival you get exactly what we're getting now with all the absurd skills. Instead of fighting Shiva with all those absurd skills, you fight her normally to learn that action.

Honestly, I'd like to see more content like the Masked Carnival, but limited jobs still seem lackluster to me... If you instead take the aspects of jobs that can't work (so for Blue Mage, learning Lv5 Death) and put that in content like the Masked Carnival? That'd be great IMO. Ninja, for example, is not remotely a stealth job, because stealth gameplay isn't going to really function in combat, but Masked Carnival style content could have a strong focus on stealth just like some of the class quests did. Should the Ninja we have now be deleted and turned into a limited job because "stealth gameplay wont work in XIV"? Of course not. Same logic applies for Blue Mage. I think it can absolutely be a real job, while still remaining faithful to its routes, just give it a Learn skill/s as the focal point for its job gauge; You use it on an enemy and you get a specific skill that just changes name/animation based on the target, the potency/etc remains the same though. Simple to balance, true to Blue Mages themes, only thing it misses is the absurd potency and effects, which I honestly don't think anyone really cares about... Nobody was ever going to riot if Blue Mage didn't get Lv5 Death that worked, so why the developers decided to force this limited job concept solely to keep those kinds of effects? IDK...

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Originally Posted by kikix12

That is 100% misinformation. The person completely omitted the fact that Yoshida only used Bad Breath once (poison damage portion is 10 potency poison over 15sec...so pitiful) and a different 10 potency attack few times. Both Bad Breath (slow, 10% damage down, paralyze, 40% heavy, blindness and aforementioned poison for 15sec and 1sec silence) and that other attack are utility spells (10 potency instant-cast with 1sec silence debuff). They are not for dealing damage. Once he decided to kill it he just did show a long cast of 1000 needles that took all the remaining life.

When he used the most basic spell that is gotten with the class, with 120 potency, he took half of a lvl30 mobs life at once. And there are certainly going to be higher potency spells out there that'd easily overkill it.

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I'm sure thy will max it around 120-260 for fast cast spells but anything strong thy may do it to but i bet the cost will be really high like 5k plus or more because thy not going to let us spam it like at shiva bow attack it did 346 damage so i Don't think its abt the damage at all its abt combo system why blue mage Can't queue for duth finder with it mess up

Note to everyone play FF 14 IF I remember correctly lvl 5 death is in the lvl 59 library dungeon so we Can't get it anyway so hmm point fingers at director i really Don't want blue mage out doing my black mage Tht's wat i see its all bs because smn out doing blm Tht's why he hte smn if u all remember he was saying he didn't want to add SMN at first now he doing it again with blue mage hmmmm think on it.. But with blue mage he really kick out because blue mage really beat SMN hands down

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Originally Posted by kikix12

That is 100% misinformation. The person completely omitted the fact that Yoshida only used Bad Breath once (poison damage portion is 10 potency poison over 15sec...so pitiful) and a different 10 potency attack few times. Both Bad Breath (slow, 10% damage down, paralyze, 40% heavy, blindness and aforementioned poison for 15sec and 1sec silence) and that other attack are utility spells (10 potency instant-cast with 1sec silence debuff). They are not for dealing damage. Once he decided to kill it he just did show a long cast of 1000 needles that took all the remaining life.

When he used the most basic spell that is gotten with the class, with 120 potency, he took half of a lvl30 mobs life at once. And there are certainly going to be higher potency spells out there that'd easily overkill it.

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Thanks for pointing that out. Well at least that solves the problem with the killing of trash monsters but sadly I still wonder how someone could kill dungeon bosses or even primals solo. (Since this was promoted as solo job) And if those cant be done solo and you need a group then that does not sound like something a lot of the more casual player base would want to do.

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Originally Posted by Starcake28

Note to everyone play FF 14 IF I remember correctly lvl 5 death is in the lvl 59 library dungeon so we Can't get it anyway

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Yoshida specifically talked about that in the last live-letter. He said that we won't be able to get that spell until the level cap is increased to 60, probably because of where that spell can be learned (HW content). Which only makes real sense if you say BLU won't be able to learn skills while unsynced, which would be a horrible design decision in and of itself.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

But they could've given BLU all of that and still made them an unlimited job by giving them a parallel skillset, like they do for PvP for all jobs. They already implemented a lot of things we asked for, like locking content behind skill acquisition instead of level, and saying we'd need to divise a rotation using the skills we have (and mind you, just because BLMs have Enochian and Fire IV doesn't mean we don't see BLMs spamming Blizzard in 60+ content, so their concern for BLU specifically is again laughable). BLU is already halfway to the hybrid job many of us want it to be, they just don't go the rest of the way and they have repeatedly failed in supplying good reasons, least of all ones that weren't contradicted or fell apart the next time they talked about BLU.

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I feel like you didn't even read my post. You simply saw my name and tried to argue against me without even understanding what I was saying. Because I already said that it wasn't about them being able to do it or not a way or another. Could have they came up with a concept for a regular job Blue Mage? Yes. They simply chose another route.
I have literally no idea why you went on about "they could have done it if they did this and that!". The theorical possibility of doing it is something I never argued against. (What I often argue against are the bad and flawed ideas and suggestions people throw on the table as if they were perfect. But that's another story.)

And I also conceeded that some of their justifications are indeed weak. No need to repeat to me what I already said.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

Hi, software engineer with background in game design and over a decade of experience under my belt here. No, I don't get it. Feel free to share with the rest of the class. Because right now the only reason I see to this current design, without them saying this is a beta/testing phase, is laziness.

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You don't understand what kind of creative freedom for a low investment in balance does limited jobs provide? If you don't get what are the benefits of not having to make a job fit into the very narrow space that the current regular job balance requires, then you are literally asking me how are jobs balanced in this game and why is it restrictive to the point that it made Square Enix, the very creators of this game and the Final Fantasy franchise, felt that it was a good idea to take a different approach for one job that has been consistantly playing with weirdness and the boundaries of the game design space in previous titles.
And that's something I shouldn't have to explain to someone claiming to have a background in game design. Which is why I actually don't believe that you don't understand. I suspect that you are just so frustrated that you don't want to understand. Also -despite your claims regarding your experience- you act like ressources are infinite, and that they "could do it" without considering one second that investing in making Blue Mage "DF ready" is simply not something they determined to be worthwhile.

In short, "just make an entirely new set of skills balanced like all the other jobs so I can do my daily roulettes!" is something people often say lately, without understanding what would be necessary for it to happen.

I'm sorry that you don't understand the game design benefits of limited jobs. I'm also sorry that you don't understand the underlying consequences of what you are asking. Especially since you claimed to have a background in game design. And finally, I have to give you an apology. When I said that "anyone with a little bit of game design knowledge would be able to understand", it was implied that what was needed was a "little bit of good game design knowledge". Sorry if that wasn't clear enough.
Regardless, "I don't understand why they did that, so I'll simply say that they are lazy" is not the mark of a good game designer. At least, you never claimed to be one. That being said, if you think that you are, feel free to send them your resume.

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Tl;dr: Would it be nice if BLU was somehow DF and raid ready? Sure. But it's not, and the reasons why are obvious. Sorry if you don't understand them.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

Sorry if you don't understand them.

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Disagreeing with something does not mean I don't understand it. Would be nice if you understood that.
As I said before, they've already gone halfway to what most of us are asking for, and with weak justification as to not go the rest of the way. They can keep their precious creative freedom in the Masked Carnival. So far, their hiding behind excuses to not let BLU be in regular gameplay only implies a lack of creativity since they can't seem to find a way to balance both sides, despite, again, already going halfway there, and many of us handing them solutions on a silver platter.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

Disagreeing with something does not mean I don't understand it. Would be nice if you understood that.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

Hi, software engineer with background in game design and over a decade of experience under my belt here. No, I don't get it. Feel free to share with the rest of the class. Because right now the only reason I see to this current design, without them saying this is a beta/testing phase, is laziness.

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Dude...
*sigh*

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

Hi, software engineer with background in game design and over a decade of experience under my belt here. No, I don't get it. Feel free to share with the rest of the class. Because right now the only reason I see to this current design, without them saying this is a beta/testing phase, is laziness.

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Laziness is 100% a valid reason.

Or more specifically, currently blu, at least as it has been presented to the public, seems to largely be the work of one guy as a pet project, which is why it's some goofball side progression. If it were a normal job, that one guy wouldn't be the only one involved, everyone else on the usual team that does this sort of thing would have to work on it to make sure that it's balanced and fits the mold. This team is already going to be working on all the new ShB abilities, and the ability reorganization, and the other 2 (cooler by default because blu is lame and boring) jobs. Fitting a third job into that is almost assuredly too resource intensive (see previous difficulty with 3 jobs in hw).

You are, of course, free to think they should have done... whatever they needed to do to get blu in as a real job. Whether that's cut one of the other jobs, or hire more people, or delay the launch of ShB. But for me, given the choice between what we are getting and any of the above, (minus hire more people, maybe) I would definitely take what we are currently getting.

But only if not adding a crap job like blu isn't an option because that would have been the best thing to do.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

Yoshida specifically talked about that in the last live-letter. He said that we won't be able to get that spell until the level cap is increased to 60, probably because of where that spell can be learned (HW content). Which only makes real sense if you say BLU won't be able to learn skills while unsynced, which would be a horrible design decision in and of itself.

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I still think thy can balance blu like put lvls on spells before you can use thm but you can still go out and learn all spells at any lvl but it will be tough to get as for lvl 5 death don't give tht to us

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Originally Posted by Arkdra

Laziness is 100% a valid reason.

Or more specifically, currently blu, at least as it has been presented to the public, seems to largely be the work of one guy as a pet project, which is why it's some goofball side progression. If it were a normal job, that one guy wouldn't be the only one involved, everyone else on the usual team that does this sort of thing would have to work on it to make sure that it's balanced and fits the mold. This team is already going to be working on all the new ShB abilities, and the ability reorganization, and the other 2 (cooler by default because blu is lame and boring) jobs. Fitting a third job into that is almost assuredly too resource intensive (see previous difficulty with 3 jobs in hw).

You are, of course, free to think they should have done... whatever they needed to do to get blu in as a real job. Whether that's cut one of the other jobs, or hire more people, or delay the launch of ShB. But for me, given the choice between what we are getting and any of the above, (minus hire more people, maybe) I would definitely take what we are currently getting.

But only if not adding a crap job like blu isn't an option because that would have been the best thing to do.

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It's this way because this is how Yoshi P said he saw it working in the game years ago. It's similar to how he thought 2.0 SMN and bow mage would be received well. So there's a chance to get a unlimited BLU if enough push for it.

They probably could do three jobs in an expac and you have to remember that NIN came out not long before 3.0 so they were pretty much working on three jobs and finishing a forth at the time of the NIN patch. I think the gunblade job, second job, and an unlimited BLU would have been possible.

Your opinion BLU is lame and that's fine but can't really say it's lame compared to the second( and third?) job of Shadowbringers since we have honestly no clue what it will be. Just speculation. Unless you think BLU is that boring. /shrug

Ideally, they could have put out a full standard BLU along with the side content Carnival but most would have accepted if BLU came capped at level 50 still and was raised slowly before the 5.0 launch or at least during that expac's patches IF we knew it would be able to do all the content that combat jobs can do. Now those of us that want unlimited BLU have to hope for a chance that 6.0 will be when we can main the job in the content that matters the most to us.

Well, after being banned for what I can only assume was being reported for harassment(Or maybe spamming) this will probably be my last post on these forums or on the topic of BLU.

I now marginally agree with where they're going with BLU. The fact that you can and actually benefit from teaming up with other BLU's is to me a huge boon and a much needed mechanic, along with mighty guard giving it it's own tanking stance.

While I still agree that limited jobs as an idea are bad and should not continue, I am at the very least more optimistic for BLU on release. That being said I do not think they will change this BLU or that we're ever getting unlimited BLU, it just doesn't look like Yoshi has any intention of it with this BLU's design.

The final nail in the coffin for regular BLU being to me, the changing of the damage from weapon damage to armor. It's quite clear they fully intend to have BLU be it's own separate content for the foreseeable future and I think that no amount of rattling will change that or their minds.

It's quite obvious they don't intend to let BLU mingle with other jobs. I may be wrong, but that's my interpretation, either way I'm disappointed but not nearly as much as I was before, being able to do four player BLU parties and not have to wait for everyone to get one single skill is a huge weight off.

Edit: Also I believe the limited job system is bad by itself, if it's functions were added to current jobs(Solo content that gives other jobs a reason to go into lower level instances say hunting dragons as a DRG in a QTE or a fighting game-esque MNK tournament) it would be much much MUCH better, as well as a name change. Please.

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Originally Posted by MrKimper

I now marginally agree with where they're going with BLU. The fact that you can and actually benefit from teaming up with other BLU's is to me a huge boon and a much needed mechanic, along with mighty guard giving it it's own tanking stance.

While I still agree that limited jobs as an idea are bad and should not continue, I am at the very least more optimistic for BLU on release. That being said I do not think they will change this BLU or that we're ever getting unlimited BLU, it just doesn't look like Yoshi has any intention of it with this BLU's design.

The final nail in the coffin for regular BLU being to me, the changing of the damage from weapon damage to armor. It's quite clear they fully intend to have BLU be it's own separate content for the foreseeable future and I think that no amount of rattling will change that or their minds.

It's quite obvious they don't intend to let BLU mingle with other jobs. I may be wrong, but that's my interpretation, either way I'm disappointed but not nearly as much as I was before, being able to do four player BLU parties and not have to wait for everyone to get one single skill is a huge weight off.

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What benefit for teaming up with other BLU instead of other jobs? If you meant the "all blu in a party learn the spell" thing then it's not a benefit since it's the same dice roll for all BLU in the party and not individual rolls.

The damage calculations working the way they will be doesn't mean that they can't have unlimited BLU. Just means that the two will have to be different modes/stances/job stones as we have stated it should be.

Final thing is we don't know the extent of how well limited BLU will be able to fill into a tank or healer role. There is a tank stance but we don't know if there is provoke yet. We will have to see if there are the necessary tools for BLU to be competent in those roles.

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Originally Posted by MrKimper

Edit: Also I believe the limited job system is bad by itself, if it's functions were added to current jobs(Solo content that gives other jobs a reason to go into lower level instances say hunting dragons as a DRG in a QTE or a fighting game-esque MNK tournament) it would be much much MUCH better, as well as a name change. Please.

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I think there's some value in the limited job system but the cost is too much right now. Each job getting there own solo content would be fine with me if it wasn't something as large scale as the Carnival or go with a very large system that all jobs can participate in.

I do think if they announced BLU as a full standard job AND that there would be this side content that there would be massive amounts of hype instead of a debate. They could have even said BLU would still be capped at 50 at first and then brought up to 70 before the 5.0 launch or allowed to hit 80 in one of the Shadowbringers patches and I doubt there would have been too much backlash.

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Originally Posted by jon041065

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The all BLU learning a spell in a party that one BLU learns is still, to my opinion a MUCH better solution than potentially having to rotate learning a skill between every individual BLU in the party. That would make it's gameplay agonizingly dull, Instead it's more similar to if someone else in the party gets the skill, you get the skill so just by teaming it up it betters your chances. That promotes actual personalized teamwork, to me anyway, again I do not like limited BLU, but this is much much muuuch better than how I thought it would be implemented.

As for whether BLU will ever be unlimited or added as a full job, again this is just my opinion, take it with a grain of salt but I truly just don't see them doing it as disheartening as it is for me to say that it's obvious they're trying to really sell this content for what it is and sticking to their guns (In a similar way to egi-glamour). I would still much rather full BLU and will keep hoping it comes about, but I'm not holding my breath for a 6.0 release. I would absolutely love if they combine both concepts or just give us a full regular BLU and tone down the limited job aspects.

I don't think it's realistic at this point, they just don't seem interested as unlimited BLU is supposed to STILL have some kind of rotation? but they just, chose not to make it a normal job for some godforsaken reason.

Either way best of luck to those who stick around in this topic, hope it turns into something like bowmage and diadem did.

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Originally Posted by MrKimper

The all BLU learning a spell in a party that one BLU learns is still, to my opinion a MUCH better solution than potentially having to rotate learning a skill between every individual BLU in the party. That would make it's gameplay agonizingly dull, Instead it's more similar to if someone else in the party gets the skill, you get the skill so just by teaming it up it betters your chances. That promotes actual personalized teamwork, to me anyway, again I do not like limited BLU, but this is much much muuuch better than how I thought it would be implemented.

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It's not giving you a better chance at learning spells by being in a party of blue mages vs a party of other jobs. There's a benefit though to being in a party instead of solo just because the kill speed would be increased.

I think there is no chance of them not following their plans for BLU in Shadowbringers but they could change BLU and the limited jobs concept for the 6.0 expac.

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Originally Posted by jon041065

It's not giving you a better chance at learning spells by being in a party of blue mages vs a party of other jobs. There's a benefit though to being in a party instead of solo just because the kill speed would be increased.

I think there is no chance of them not following their plans for BLU in Shadowbringers but they could change BLU and the limited jobs concept for the 6.0 expac.

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All thy need to do is raise the difficulty of mobs and bosses tht mean health and damage thy do make thm more a challenge also raise other jobs damage a bit to meet up with blue mage Tht's all thy need to do

But from wat i saw on video so far blue mage not tht op but will see whn i get other spells jan 8 but i hve a feeling blue mage not op at all really there never op just ppl believe blue mage Op

Sounds like we won't even be able to glamour our weapons and everyone will have the exact same cane.


A quote from Yoshi-P's visit to some JP servers

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Q. Will we be able to change what the BLU weapon looks like?
A. If we do add any new weapons to BLU, it will be possible. However, just like any other job, you can't glamour weapons from other jobs.

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Originally Posted by BubblyBoar

Sounds like we won't even be able to glamour our weapons and everyone will have the exact same cane.


A quote from Yoshi-P's visit to some JP servers

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Thank you for the information. I am disappointed, but not surprised.

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Originally Posted by BubblyBoar

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Are you are this isn't just a misinterpretation? Yoshi states "you can't glamour weapons from other jobs", so I'm guessing in relation to the ARR wands used by CNJ/THM, but this doesn't mean that BLU won't have their own glam options. It might have some to begin with even basic designs, but possibly nothing fancy (i.e. primal weapons) till next expac. At least that's my theory going off from this quote anyway

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Originally Posted by Kurando

Are you are this isn't just a misinterpretation? Yoshi states "you can't glamour weapons from other jobs", so I'm guessing in relation to the ARR wands used by CNJ/THM, but this doesn't mean that BLU won't have their own glam options. It might have some to begin with even basic designs, but possibly nothing fancy (i.e. primal weapons) till next expac. At least that's my theory going off from this quote anyway

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The quote from Yoshi P said that IF they do add new weapons to BLU. This is implying that there is just the standard cane that everyone will start off and that's it for the time being.

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Originally Posted by jon041065

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Limited job or not, I really can't see BLU being forced to use a lvl 1 weapon once it reaches lvl 50, I would expect to see some kind of AF option as well.

Do you have any quote were he says specifically it will be the only weapon available to begin with? Things often get mistranslated, this is why I would prefer something concrete you know.

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Originally Posted by Kurando

Limited job or not, I really can't see BLU being forced to use a lvl 1 weapon once it reaches lvl 50, I would expect to see some kind of AF option as well.

Do you have any quote were he says specifically it will be the only weapon available to begin with? Things often get mistranslated, this is why I would prefer something concrete you know.

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Go back to the previous page. BubblyBoar posted that bit that Yoshi P apparently said.

BLU could use a lvl 1 weapon the whole time because they changed the way that damage/healing calculations work for BLU. There probably is an AF weapon but would just be a glamour piece if that quote is accurate.

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Originally Posted by jon041065

There probably is an AF weapon but would just be a glamour piece if that quote is accurate.

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Still like you just said it kinda implies what I was suggesting to begin with, that there could be an alternative option of weapon (not necessarily for stat purposes) to use for glamour.

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Originally Posted by Kurando

Still like you just said it kinda implies what I was suggesting to begin with, that there could be an alternative option of weapon (not necessarily for stat purposes) to use for glamour.

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Yep I understand that but then we have to wonder why Yoshi gave that answer to a question about changing how the BLU cane looks so it's a bit confusing right now.

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Originally Posted by Kurando

Limited job or not, I really can't see BLU being forced to use a lvl 1 weapon once it reaches lvl 50, I would expect to see some kind of AF option as well.

Do you have any quote were he says specifically it will be the only weapon available to begin with? Things often get mistranslated, this is why I would prefer something concrete you know.

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I agree if thy want to do tht why give blue mage a cane in the first place thy could hve nothing just cast spells and have a fighting style

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Originally Posted by Starcake28

I agree if thy want to do tht why give blue mage a cane in the first place thy could hve nothing just cast spells and have a fighting style

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It's probably tied into whatever system that prevents us from not having a main hand weapon/tool equipped in the first place. No matter what, something must absolutely be equipped in the main hand.
As far as there not being any weapons...
The Reddit translators say that Yoshi-P said there's no point in upgrading weapons, since you can't do instanced content... Somehow, the Reddit translators also took this as a hint that there will be Primal/Raid weapons? However, this same random logic for the weapon has no reason not to apply to armor and accessories as well, so I don't really understand it. Also, we CAN do instanced content, and are even encouraged to based on a spell that said it was only acquired from Brayflox Longstop (Hard) - You just can't matchmake into it.

The reason for disabling matchmaking for BLU boggles my mind. It's built to be a "solo" class, meaning for Lv.50 content, a single Lv.50 BLU is intended to solo that content.
1st - This provides no actual advantage, as currently, any Lv.70 Paladin could do this anyways (Barring Titan Ex. And not all inclusive of other Unlimited Jobs). This will be made further pointless with Lv.80 cap increase.
2nd - You can only acquire BLU after having already slogged through 2.0 all the way with an Unlimited Job. You can't have it to make that progress anyways
3rd - The content relavent to BLU is actually pretty much irrelavent to the rest of the player base. So what if a BLU takes a role slot in matchmaking and "overpowers" the queue? It's garbage content anyways at that point. He would probably be matched with Lv.80 i530 players anyways, who would be thankful that the BLU can speed things along. (Yes, I know the "whether skills have been unlocked" contestion can be made. See many previous suggestions about having a requirements list to access a queue, it's pretty much a no brainer suggestion).

Ya i agree with tht too everything said abt blue mage already going on anyways look at RDM and SAM burning everything easy but thy want to kill blue mage to tht it really upset me tht thy would do this it make me hate this game more all i get out of this game right now is story Tht's all because the jobs thy put in game suck bad i get super bored with thm but whn ithink abt blue mage coming it made me feel happy again but now i'm confuse wats the point of this game wats the point of this system thy made everything abt this game starting to upset alot of ppl i feel like there only care abt there pockets getting full of our money Tht's wat i feel right now and Tht's why i quit last time when i saw him saying thy cant add blue mage so i said to myself well i guess this game is trash why play just for story only whn i'm falling asleep on the boring jobs ingame everything abt them is bad really this system need to go if its wat messing with the experience of the game getting better jobs everyone loves like i loved blue mage in 11 i didn't care abt not getting the weapon tht was FF 11 blue mage but FF14 just kick a job to the said like thy saying get lost you loser are something like a child thy hate been kick out because they never loved her/him its wrong to do tht i Wouldn't care if thy lowered blue mage damage down like thy did nin but as for tank i'll hate it because of players always want you to play there way Tht's why i'm saying no to tank and healer

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Originally Posted by Kurando

Limited job or not, I really can't see BLU being forced to use a lvl 1 weapon once it reaches lvl 50, I would expect to see some kind of AF option as well.

Do you have any quote were he says specifically it will be the only weapon available to begin with? Things often get mistranslated, this is why I would prefer something concrete you know.

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Our attack power doesn't come from weapon damage, but the stats from our armor and accessories. They went over that in the live letter. The weapon literally has no purpose aside from the look, so they don't really need to add anything other than the starting cane because all classes must have a main hand.

And i know if thy was to do tht i would try to make blue mage a dps tank and ppl going to get upset if thy see you with low health because i'm doing it on drk i hate just taking damage but cant pound the person tht attack me

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Our attack power doesn't come from weapon damage, but the stats from our armor and accessories. They went over that in the live letter. The weapon literally has no purpose aside from the look, so they don't really need to add anything other than the starting cane because all classes must have a main hand.

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Its better just to remove blue mage from the game hands down because its really mess up tht this happen {note to self look at fall out 76 now FF14 aiming the same way} F the fans we don't care tht you want blue mage to main we don't want it in this game learning spells outside the combo system lol gth

Still on holiday, but I just wanted to copy this information from here:

(Source) https://old.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...mary/?sort=new

Thank you to CarrierRofLight for the post

Overall no new information here - just confirmation of what we already knew. Perhaps the only point of interest is that there does indeed appear to be no plan to get BLU up to level 80 or the level cap in 5.0. It looks like, as I thought, BLU will not be allowed to be on the same level cap as other classes.

Thinking about it, there might be a block on Reddit for some users (at work, etc.) so in the spirit of giving let me copy/paste the above interview notes. I could not fit it in my post due to character limit:

Blue mage

BLU is planned to be released 1 week after patch 4.5.

The BLU weapon's official name is "青魔器=aomaki" (which roughly translates to blue magic weapon, but we need to wait for the official translation, since they always give these fancy names). Don't worry about updating your weapon and just prepare armor and accessories. They share the same gear as other casters.

Their artifact gear (level 50 gear) will be a set of the level 50 weapon and a full set of level 50 armor.

There will be 49 blue magic spells in total at level 50, but they already have around about 128 spells developed and they are planning to add them in order in the future.

There are no set bonuses for blue magic, but there are combo-ish elements such as "use a certain debuff on the enemy" and "another certain ability that deals them a huge amount of damage".

There are cases where instant death debuffs work on some bosses (he said it in a way that implies the 1st or 2nd boss of that content).

The stronger the blue magic, the more MP it costs.

There are blue magic spells that can be easy to learn and difficult to learn. Some spells specify the location to learn it, such as "something in the sunken temple of Qarn".

Each blue magic has a different probability to learn. Every blue mage in the party can learn it at the same timing.

There are ways around, like learning higher level blue magic spells from a way stronger opponent by getting someone with a high level to carry you.

FATEs and treasure hunts can give you exp, but the exp you gain by beating normal trash mobs in the open world is WAY higher for BLU, compared to other jobs. Which allows you to reach level 20 pretty comfortably.

Apparently, it's really fun going to a dungeon with 4 BLUs. There are blue magic buffs that allow you to play like a tank.

The masked carnival has basic rewards like Gil, allagan tomestones and allied seals, and special bonuses for meeting certain conditions such as "receive 0 damage to beat it" and "beat it as fast as possible".

The rewards for the masked carnival this time isn't something that all players want, and instead rewards that blue mages (specifically) want.

There are no plans to have "beating the masked carnival" as a condition to enter specific content. Since this will lead up to BLU being involved in balance with the other jobs.

When the level cap for BLU is raised, higher tiers of "the masked carnival" will also be added.

The schedule for BLU's level cap increase: The next timing will probably be the patch AFTER 5.0 (implying 5.05 or 5.1). It might be difficult to expect the level cap to reach level 80 during 5.0.

I believe thy show remove level 5 death we don't need it we just need damage / heals so the game is fun not ooooh i just instant death the boss what fun is that there's no point in playing blue mage if all i need to do is level 5 death

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I believe thy show remove level 5 death we don't need it we just need damage / heals so the game is fun not ooooh i just instant death the boss what fun is that there's no point in playing blue mage if all i need to do is level 5 death

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I'm imagining there are a few things beyond just all you need is level 5 death to win the contents. Hopefully they pick a fun route but for example:

Level 5 death only works on chance, the more powerful the less likely to work. So casting it on trash mobs in the middle of combat for a 25% chance or worse to kill them, could be a waste of time. Meanwhile on the first two bosses of each dungeon it could be worth a pre-cast just to see if you got lucky before attempting them normally.

It could also be something like a it WILL work but on a /very/ long cooldown, or perhaps a cooldown that only resets on instance changes (such that you have to move zones/instances). We already know it wont work on the last boss, so in this way it could be a single get out of jail / I hate this boss card.

Amount of enemies killed, such that each enemy death charges the skill till full at that point then you can unleash it (so you'd need to progress part way through the dungeon before getting one free kill and couldn't use it too often).

Very long cast times or all your mana belongs to me (flare) options could also be a sort of balance. Also mixing in different elements of the above.

Hopefully, imo, it's not too random - as I'd rather go for sure fire but heavy restrictions/costs (because if it's too low then I don't want to be bored recasting it until I've discovered RNGesus is not with me today and it was a waste of a skill slot to bring).

Still personally worried that Blue Mage will be a slightly better than a normal job except can't do all the contents of a normal job.. job. If they're going to force me into restrictions, personally, I'd rather have it be able to be silly OP (with given sets of properly picked skills, and skilled play). Not certain which route they're going since as you can see above from the reddit snippet posted by Elerus Yoshida did say certain combinations will lead to massive damage (or other effects), in this case learning the right spells and making the right toolkit could mean solo god of content relevant to you (after you gather them that is).. Or of course when he says massive he could mean like "wooo 100% bonus damage on 200 potency" and then in which case I'd give a long sigh lol.

No ty just balance blue mage if you can do it get FF11 PPl to help with balance would be super funny thy fix it

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No ty just balance blue mage if you can do it get FF11 PPl to help with balance would be super funny thy fix it

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What? FFXI isn't really a balance I would aspire to and even if XI were an example of good overall job balance the combat system and class designs in XI aren't compatible with XIV. The XI Devs wouldn't have an easy time designing and balancing it around group play here any more than the XIV Devs...

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BLU "info"

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Thanks for this. As noted, not much we didn't already know, but if anything, some bits stick-out to me.

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There are blue magic spells that can be easy to learn and difficult to learn. Some spells specify the location to learn it, such as "something in the sunken temple of Qarn".

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This is vague as heck, but it might just be translated that way? Difficulty here is probably relative to how accessible/available the monster with the spell is, which is why I'm hoping they keep hunts as far away from BLUs Mage of Verminions as possible (you think salt over missing hunts was bad before?). In any case, none of that matters when you know there'll likely be comprehensive spell location guides literally within days of BLU's Sightseeing Log Mage's release.

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Each blue magic has a different probability to learn. Every blue mage in the party can learn it at the same timing.

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I'm hoping the wording here means every BLU Hunting Log Mage in a party will learn spells at the same time rather than might learn it at the same time, otherwise it's no better than Atma.

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There are ways around, like learning higher level blue magic spells from a way stronger opponent by getting someone with a high level to carry you.

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Sweet, can't wait to see the resulting Party Finder advertisements.

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FATEs and treasure hunts can give you exp, but the exp you gain by beating normal trash mobs in the open world is WAY higher for BLU, compared to other jobs. Which allows you to reach level 20 pretty comfortably.

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Hmmm, hopefully the low level zones can support the impending initial dogpile.

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Apparently, it's really fun going to a dungeon with 4 BLUs. There are blue magic buffs that allow you to play like a tank.

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Sweet. BLU Eureka mage-only roulette in DF when? /sarcasm.

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The rewards for the masked carnival this time isn't something that all players want, and instead rewards that blue mages (specifically) want.

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Something that only they specifically want? *Gasp* either they're removing the Limited Job status off of the ones that successfully clear Masked Carnival or they're rewarding them with the ever-so-rare Piety materia!

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There are no plans to have "beating the masked carnival" as a condition to enter specific content. Since this will lead up to BLU being involved in balance with the other jobs.

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The horror.

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When the level cap for BLU is raised, higher tiers of "the masked carnival" will also be added.

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What a pleasant surprise. I would have never guessed.

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Game watch: I was there when you announced BLU at NA fanfest, but after everyone was hyped, i started to hear confusion in their voices.
Yoshida: I always had a safety net when i talked about BLU and everytime someone asked about BLU, i said "Well, we can't implement it in the normal fashion. BLU is about learning", but of course, everyone doesn't read interviews.

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"I've said it for fours years now, but you don't listen."
Perfect.

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Yoshida: I got the community teams around the world to investigate players' reactions to BLU and over 70% of them were positive. Louder voices tend to stand out, but when you check all sorts of social media, the investigations have shown that most people are looking foward to it.

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This one is for the "massive outcry" and "a majority dislike it" crowd.

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Yoshida:[...] after Stormblood was released, the number of players didn't stagger/drop, and instead increased. This was when we started thinking "We shouldn't stay in our cage and be bound by the word MMORPG. Instead, we should treat it like an Online game that has all sorts of content". By positively and flexibly creating content to make it more "fun", all types of people with different interests can enjoy it. Rather than never implementing it because of stubborn reasons, we decided to base our challenge around "how fun the game play" is.

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If you ever thought "this is an MMORPG! Solo content is bad!" or "all jobs should be fitting the mold!", this one was for you.

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I strongly advise anyone to read the Q&A interview. It's filled with stuff like that.