4.1 - The emptiest patch yet.

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Originally Posted by Yokotsune

Yeah... its just content thats gated by your ability to produce gil in game. That counts as content equivalent to... idk a dungeon... or new recipes or anything actually new that the Devs are paid to come up with. They should just come up with a list of new cash shop items and that would be considered "content" but its only gated by your ability to shill 20$. Now the content that's actually supposed to give you value for your sub, is 100% lacking.

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I wouldn’t really say it’s gated behind making gil—gil isn’t that hard to make. It’s gated more behind lack of housing due to SE’s stubbornness to shift away from wards and towards instanced housing that everyone can access. Crafting recipes are gated behind desire to level crafters; same with gathering. PVP is locked behind one’s desire to do the content. Just because they’re “gated” behind money or desire doesn’t make them any less content than other things like dungeons or MSQ.

Value is a subjective measure. Some people don’t care about the battle aspect of this game and would rather craft/gather, but I don’t see them in this thread trying to say that the new Housing Wards or Ultimate Savage arent “content” just because they don’t see the value in them.

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Originally Posted by axemtitanium

>hasn't even completed half the content in the game

>complains about lack of content

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Hey, I just wanted to chime in here since I've just let this thread run wild. I do not mind people searching me on the lodestone and finding out that I have yet to clear O4S, which is the only piece of content from Stormblood that I have yet to complete. I keep my lodestone information public because I am proud of the things I have accomplished in the game (mainly the Big Fishing quest, how come they don't make those anymore?) and would like people to see them.

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For everyone else thank you all for showing this thread so much attention. I am proud of you all for committing so much of your time to discussing the various qualities of the game in this thread and floating it to the top of the page - even eclipsing glamor/bare feet/children ect threads - as it is my belief that the only way that the community and the game will progress forward is the candid discussion of such topics. It is my hope that the two sides of the conversation will be able to find some middle ground that we can all stand on. It doesn't matter how small that middle ground is because there is no clipping in this game (hey, now there's a feature that they should introduce for quest givers so you can actually see them on patch day! *wink wink*).

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Value is a subjective measure. Some people don’t care about the battle aspect of this game and would rather craft/gather, but I don’t see them in this thread trying to say that the new Housing Wards or Ultimate Savage arent “content” just because they don’t see the value in them.

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Honestly crafting and gathering aficionados are the most shafted players atm since they hardly get anything and so far SB didn't bring much

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Originally Posted by Alash

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Originally Posted by Alash

Hey, I just wanted to chime in here since I've just let this thread run wild. I do not mind people searching me on the lodestone and finding out that I have yet to clear O4S, which is the only piece of content from Stormblood that I have yet to complete. I keep my lodestone information public because I am proud of the things I have accomplished in the game (mainly the Big Fishing quest, how come they don't make those anymore?) and would like people to see them.

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Meh. Her comment was relevant to the discussion anyway. We are discussing 4.1 not 2.0-4.0 or 4.2-5.0 for that matter.

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Originally Posted by Remedi

Honestly crafting and gathering aficionados are the most shafted players atm since they hardly get anything and so far SB didn't bring much

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What!? You are getting a brand new collectible turn in on top of the 2 you already have AND it will still reward red scripts. You still need those right? The npc is completely different so new content! =P

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

I wouldn’t really say it’s gated behind making gil—gil isn’t that hard to make. It’s gated more behind lack of housing due to SE’s stubbornness to shift away from wards and towards instanced housing that everyone can access. Crafting recipes are gated behind desire to level crafters; same with gathering.

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Aside from the hyperbole idea that people roleplay as Farmers/Fishers and Miners and enjoy paying 15$/month for the most simplistic minigame. Sure an extreme minority only find pleasure in gathering and crafting /alone/ but that doesn't actually change the value of certain items/events/ scenarios. You could never sit there and and smile to SE if they decided to say "Hey instead of 4.2, we'll do patch 4.169 and add 20 new items to the cash shop. We'll do Patch 4.2 in another 3 months." So that you could turn around and say "Oh! That's a huge load of content added. I like the cash shop items a lot so this is a really big patch!"

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Originally Posted by Claviusnex

In case you are not aware. To get around the 1000 character posting limit just use a short sentence. I usually say editing with junk to hit minimum characters.After posting go edit it and there is no more 1K character limit.

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Cheers mate, wasn't aware. Such a silly system.

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Originally Posted by Gravton

Meh. Her comment was relevant to the discussion anyway. We are discussing 4.1 not 2.0-4.0 or 4.2-5.0 for that matter.

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In the future we could be discussing a patch that is very much like this one, which is why I think it is important to start now instead of later. The fact of the matter is that the game is getting pretty old now - no matter how consistent they are with content if we're just getting the same thing over and over it'll wear the community down to a nub. You can only rub it so much you know?

Seeing that Eureka would not be in this patch you'd think they'd at least let us know what Eureka was intended to be, might have smoothed it over a bit. It's worrying that we've heard absolutely nothing about how Eureka is intended to function.

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Originally Posted by Alash

Seeing that Eureka would not be in this patch you'd think they'd at least let us know what Eureka was intended to be, might have smoothed it over a bit. It's worrying that we've heard absolutely nothing about how Eureka is intended to function.

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Even if Eureka was able to be in 3.15, we would not have heard about it until the live letter after this one anyway.

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Originally Posted by Yokotsune

Aside from the hyperbole idea that people roleplay as Farmers/Fishers and Miners and enjoy paying 15$/month for the most simplistic minigame. Sure an extreme minority only find pleasure in gathering and crafting /alone/ but that doesn't actually change the value of certain items/events/ scenarios. You could never sit there and and smile to SE if they decided to say "Hey instead of 4.2, we'll do patch 4.169 and add 20 new items to the cash shop. We'll do Patch 4.2 in another 3 months." So that you could turn around and say "Oh! That's a huge load of content added. I like the cash shop items a lot so this is a really big patch!"

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Cash shop has zero to do with this discussion at all, so not sure why you're bringing it up. Nowhere in any of my comments did I even mention the cash shop, or how things added to it are/aren't content. You're arguing things that aren't relevant to my comments at all.

Value is subjective. I don't find PvP valuable; I do it for the mounts or when I'm bored, though I've only done Frontlines once since SB dropped. Doesn't mean I'm going to sit here and say any content changed or added to PvP isn't "content." I also don't care for Squadrons, yet I'm not saying the Squadron AI that's being added isn't "content." I am a bard main and I personally find "Perform" an extreme waste of resources, but I'm not going to say it isn't "content."

Just because you (General you) don't find content "valuable" or "worthwhile" doesn't mean that it's not content. SE could have added nothing, but instead they're adding several different things. And while I'm disappointed Eureka isn't in this patch, hopefully this means that they'll spend more time making it a success rather than another Diadem or Lords of Verminion.

Im sure lack of content from SE has always developed into "investing time into more Content." Oh wait. It doesnt. Time to cycle through the same exact expansion as HW.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Value is subjective. I don't find PvP valuable; I do it for the mounts or when I'm bored, though I've only done Frontlines once since SB dropped. Doesn't mean I'm going to sit here and say any content changed or added to PvP isn't "content." I also don't care for Squadrons, yet I'm not saying the Squadron AI that's being added isn't "content." I am a bard main and I personally find "Perform" an extreme waste of resources, but I'm not going to say it isn't "content."

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Why does value define content? A new pvp map and game mode is content. Squadrons is a new feature that allows you to do old content. Perform is a new feature added for bard. This patch has more features coming than content. Some judge it to be "empty" because none of the content is designed to last 3 months for 4.2.

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Originally Posted by Gravton

Why does value define content? A new pvp map and game mode is content. Squadrons is a new feature that allows you to do old content. Perform is a new feature added for bard. This patch has more features coming than content. Some judge it to be "empty" because none of the content is designed to last 3 months for 4.2.

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I’m not the one saying “value” defines what content is. I’m saying that content is content, regardless of whether or not someone finds it “valuable” or “unvaluable.”

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Even if Eureka was able to be in 3.15, we would not have heard about it until the live letter after this one anyway.

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We actually know quite a bit about the new PvP mode they are introducing in 4.15. So far all we know of Eureka is some art work that made it look like the sea of clouds, and that it will be the way we are intended to get our relic weapon. So it could just be fates but who knows.

4.1 patch note (preliminary) on Lodestone.
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...73c979ba32ec2d

I can't agree more with the OP! I only get on to raid now, all the casual "content" available isn't fun. Considering it's going to take ~4 months for the next raid tier I don't have high hopes for the game.

On top of that! Japanese game devs like the team for FFXIV never look at other games and only use their own ideas, so I doubt it's going to improve.

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Originally Posted by Kimimoto

On top of that! Japanese game devs like the team for FFXIV never look at other games and only use their own ideas, so I doubt it's going to improve.

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Yoshi loves WoW....he even made the Dev team play it at one point for inspiration....

I'm looking through the patch notes and am scratching my head thinking "How can anyone consider this empty?" Now, granted, there are a lot of QoL fixes, but this patch seems packed full of stuff that multiple different players can do. So...what's the problem now?

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Originally Posted by KalinOrthos

I'm looking through the patch notes and am scratching my head thinking "How can anyone consider this empty?" Now, granted, there are a lot of QoL fixes, but this patch seems packed full of stuff that multiple different players can do. So...what's the problem now?

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People want all the content catered to them and their ideas, anything outside of that is a waste to them.

also people reacted like this 'cause of the pushback of stuff in the live letter, without anything to really go on.

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Originally Posted by KalinOrthos

I'm looking through the patch notes and am scratching my head thinking "How can anyone consider this empty?" Now, granted, there are a lot of QoL fixes, but this patch seems packed full of stuff that multiple different players can do. So...what's the problem now?

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The title is misleading, it should say "This patchis empty for ME".
Content means so many different things to so many people, people are always going to complain. Devs are aware of this apparently yet they still go to work and produce for some of the most hostile customers ever.

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Originally Posted by Pence

Yoshi loves WoW....he even made the Dev team play it at one point for inspiration....

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Both him and Koji-fox even said that the reason 1.0 flopped was partly because the dev team didn't played wow and got in touch with what was considered the king of the market

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Originally Posted by Pence

Yoshi loves WoW....he even made the Dev team play it at one point for inspiration....

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Originally Posted by Remedi

Both him and Koji-fox even said that the reason 1.0 flopped was partly because the dev team didn't played wow and got in touch with what was considered the king of the market

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That by itself it's not bad.

Correct me if I am wrong here, since i saw the documental a while ago and i do not have the information fresh in my head. But i think they did that to get out of the FFXI box and see why other games were having success at the time. Where I want to get it is that there is no mistake to get ideas from other sources to renew itself, even if that game is disliked by some.

Yes it was

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Originally Posted by Zhamkyong

That by itself it's not bad.

Correct me if I am wrong here, since i saw the documental a while ago and i do not have the information fresh in my head. But i think they did that to get out of the FFXI box and see why other games were having success at the time. Where I want to get it is that there is no mistake to get ideas from other sources to renew itself, even if that game is disliked by some.

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Sorry, I don't understand. Could you please rephrase?

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Originally Posted by Pence

Sorry, I don't understand. Could you please rephrase?

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1.0 was made as a sequel to XI without looking at how the market had changed, and what MMOs of 2010 looked like. It flopped, so Yoshi P made the Dev team play popular MMOs (not just WoW) in order to analyse the market.

Market analysis is not bad

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Originally Posted by KalinOrthos

I'm looking through the patch notes and am scratching my head thinking "How can anyone consider this empty?" Now, granted, there are a lot of QoL fixes, but this patch seems packed full of stuff that multiple different players can do. So...what's the problem now?

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I think peoples main issue was that they wanted eruka however u spell it , many of the other things we got where already expected, and everyone expected eruka in this patch. But we got a ton of qol stuff judging from the notes ill roll with it I still gota finish omega anyway so it is what it is

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

1.0 was made as a sequel to XI without looking at how the market had changed, and what MMOs of 2010 looked like.

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From what I remember hearing, the 1.x dev team was told when development of XIV first started to not copy XI, which was awkward considering both the games Director (Nobuaki Komoto) and Producer (Hiromichi Tanaka) where both pulled from XI. They left a lot of the games direction in the hands of the dev team to try to avoid making it to similar to XI. The dev team at the time had no real experience designing MMORPGS (XI had the same issues but overcame it) and ended up obsessing over graphics instead of gameplay (the whole flower-pots having the same amount of polygons as characters thing). Add in a gaming engine that wasn't built for this type of game (Crystal Tools), the game having to be designed for both six gen and seventh gen consoles (PS3 and PS4, at least), and the companies philosophy that any problems could be patched after release, with no initial plans on solving the problem being made are what led to 1.0's downfall.

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Originally Posted by KalinOrthos

I'm looking through the patch notes and am scratching my head thinking "How can anyone consider this empty?" Now, granted, there are a lot of QoL fixes, but this patch seems packed full of stuff that multiple different players can do. So...what's the problem now?

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When you look at the list it may look like a lot cause its segmented text and pictures. But to easily break it down. Beast Tribe dailies, Housing, Treasure hunting(not new), Squadron can do <50 lv dungeons, Weekly 24 man, Shinryu EX, another boring 70 dungeon. Shit ton of QoL changes that doesnt change gameplay. None of these have actual substance or occupy a large amount of time to complete/invest and usually turn into a daily or weekly chore instead of something that will have to occupy the space of 4 months.

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Originally Posted by Pence

Yoshi loves WoW....he even made the Dev team play it at one point for inspiration....

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He even went to Blizzcon himself

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

1.0 was made as a sequel to XI without looking at how the market had changed, and what MMOs of 2010 looked like. It flopped, so Yoshi P made the Dev team play popular MMOs (not just WoW) in order to analyse the market.

Market analysis is not bad

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1.0 had nothing to do with FFXI.

FFXIV 1.0 and ARR only take monster names and character models and such, being inspired from FFXI, there is things that FFXI even handles better then FFXIV, like transmission of data coding. Game play and such is more based on wow then anything else.

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Originally Posted by Yokotsune

When you look at the list it may look like a lot cause its segmented text and pictures. But to easily break it down. Beast Tribe dailies, Housing, Treasure hunting(not new), Squadron can do <50 lv dungeons, Weekly 24 man, Shinryu EX, another boring 70 dungeon. Shit ton of QoL changes that doesnt change gameplay. None of these have actual substance or occupy a large amount of time to complete/invest and usually turn into a daily or weekly chore instead of something that will have to occupy the space of 4 months.

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Oh, okay, so you're just being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. Got it.

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Originally Posted by Yokotsune

Look friend. I understand that .

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Exactly what I been saying for the past several pages, I can't believe people consider furniture and hair content :/.

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

It's not meant to. Have you ever listened to what Yoshida has said? He wants people to have a healthy social life and does not want players to feel obligated to log in everyday. If you haven't, seriously, sit down and watch some video interviews with him or read articles. You'll have plenty of time to do that.

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Haha nice joke. At the same time, if you don't cap one week you're forever behind. Well maybe not forever, but until new tomes come out. I don't know a system that makes you feel more obligated to play every day.

It seems that the definition of 'content' in the context of MMOs is kind of wonky.

I personally view content as something that I can do in the game, but there are some people who consider cosmetic items to be content. I don't think they are wrong, but aside from going to the aesthetician and changing your hair, there isn't much to be done there.

If you look at the breadth of content that requires active participation, I still contend that what we are getting in 4.1 (particularly what we are getting on October 10th itself) won't keep peoples' attention for a particularly long time.

That isn't to say that I am not still looking forward to the patch (though I wish I would've made more money prior thereto), I just don't feel like it is going to have a lot of longevity.

I could be wrong though! In fact, I hope I am in this case.

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Originally Posted by Lelila38

Haha nice joke.

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I'm not joking.

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Originally Posted by Lelila38

At the same time, if you don't cap one week you're forever behind. Well maybe not forever, but until new tomes come out.

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You mean until they have the catch up patch and get gear that's twice as better than you're currently wearing.

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Originally Posted by Lelila38

I don't know a system that makes you feel more obligated to play every day.

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You can literally not play the game for 4 months, come back, and catch back up into current gear within a couple of days. I don't mean top gear; I mean gear good enough to do a majority of the content. IE: Right now, unless you're raiding, you only need verity gear. According to some people here, only 5% of the population raids, so you should be fine with just having verity.

Your sentence alone made me immediately think of TERA. Missing one day of doing dailies set you back potentially months. All decent gear was gated behind heavy time investments, including unlocking skills and adding effects to them to actually make them worthwhile. That's just a game in "recent" memory, which I've not touched since ARR launched; older games were even an even bigger offender.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

Exactly what I been saying for the past several pages, I can't believe people consider furniture and hair content :/.

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only need to go back one page to see you lying.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

Exactly what I been saying for the past several pages, I can't believe people consider furniture and hair content :/.

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Why is that surprising? The Sims is a franchise literally built on people's desire to play virtual Barbie's Dream House. I guarantee you those who care more about glamour and housing outnumber people who do Savage or even 24-man raids.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

1.0 was made as a sequel to XI without looking at how the market had changed, and what MMOs of 2010 looked like. It flopped, so Yoshi P made the Dev team play popular MMOs (not just WoW) in order to analyse the market.

Market analysis is not bad

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exactly
While during the development of XI they checked the king of the genre of that time (everquest), they missed to do the same for XIV.
Yoshida descriped it like opening a restaurant without checking the other restaurants in the neighborhood.

https://youtu.be/Xs0yQKI7Yw4?t=2114

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

only need to go back one page to see you lying.

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Lying about what been saying this whole thread agree with the op. That this patch is lacking in content.