Black Mage Sanctuary - A Guide to DPS

Lethargy, technically Blizzard 1 if you need it I guess. Bind/Sleep don't work, sorry.

Just have SCH use Miasma on everything if they're getting too far for you guys.

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Originally Posted by Kuza_

Anyone have suggestions as to what to spend eso's on this week?? I already have Weapon, Chest, and Ring.

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Depends on what you got. My BiS has Eso Chest, Boots, Ring and Bracelet so I'd spend them on Bracelet or Boots but the only none 210 piece I have is pants so.

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Originally Posted by Dervy

What CC's from a BLMs kit work on the Tornado Adds? Summoners/Scholars being Miasma II for slows. I take it sleep doesn't work, so it's just controlling Blizzards? Wondering what you BLM experts do so we can slightly refine our strat, as our Summoner is now a Black Mage for A3S.

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Only spells are Lethargy and Blizzard 1. I use B1 for my filler move there over T1 because there's no way an add is gonna live more than 6 seconds anyways. I do B1 the Limb on last phase all the time because it's more reliable than Miasma II miss from Scholar / Stone miss from WHM.

Whats a good BLM parse going into A4S final phase for those already there ? I cant seem to go over 1250 :X

Guys, should we use Marron glace as the best dps food or do you guys suggest anything else?

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Originally Posted by Linkan

Guys, should we use Marron glace as the best dps food or do you guys suggest anything else?

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Creme Brulee if you don't need the accuracy and can reach the SSPD cap on the food, Marron glace if you need the accuracy.

Love you all <3 Thanks for your help guys :)

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Originally Posted by OneWingedSora

Creme Brulee if you don't need the accuracy and can reach the SSPD cap on the food, Marron glace if you need the accuracy.

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Thank you! You are very helpfull indeed.
Would you mind telling me wich is the accuracy/spell speed cap?

I dont really understand how accuracy works in FFXIV as well. Back in my wow time, we had to have "hit" rating so our spells dont miss. Here I never noticed a miss message.

Thx in advance.

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Originally Posted by Linkan

Thank you! You are very helpfull indeed.
Would you mind telling me wich is the accuracy/spell speed cap?

I dont really understand how accuracy works in FFXIV as well. Back in my wow time, we had to have "hit" rating so our spells dont miss. Here I never noticed a miss message.

Thx in advance.

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I can answer for you, 540 for A4S. 530 for A3S. I don't know the 2 other turns but they are pretty low. You need to hit a certain cap to hit the boss 100% of the time so it's a stat that you need more over time over a static 7,.5% Hit Rating like WoW. WoW is too simple ~.~

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Originally Posted by Aikaal

I can answer for you, 540 for A4S. 530 for A3S. I don't know the 2 other turns but they are pretty low. You need to hit a certain cap to hit the boss 100% of the time so it's a stat that you need more over time over a static 7,.5% Hit Rating like WoW. WoW is too simple ~.~

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Just throwing this in here. A2S is around 520 and A1S is like 500. Extremely low compared to melee and tanks. Especially when you compare it to coil. Throughout coil, casters were around 20 accuracy below melee, and around 40 behind tanks. Now it's closer to 80 and 100 respectively.

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Originally Posted by Garotte14

Just throwing this in here. A2S is around 520 and A1S is like 500. Extremely low compared to melee and tanks. Especially when you compare it to coil. Throughout coil, casters were around 20 accuracy below melee, and around 40 behind tanks. Now it's closer to 80 and 100 respectively.

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I guess this is related to the need of healers to contribute to DPS, so they had the chance to close the gap for them in this expansion.

For the opener, why not add T3 into the mix? So, in essence:

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          240    B3
0.5                            Swiftcast
2.36  390    T3
                                  Quelling
                                  Ley Lines
                                  Sharpcast
2.01  168    F3
                                  Enochian
2.01  304.2  F1
0.5                            Raging
1                                Pot
2.41  635.0  F4
2.41  635.0  F4
2.41  635.0  F4 
2.01  544.3  FS      Convert
2.41  635.0  F4
2.41  635.0  F4
2.41  635.0  F4
2.01  176.4  B3
2.01  745.5  TC
2.41  294    B4

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I'm using the same spell speed as your guide. Other variations include T1 after the 2nd B3.

I realize that this opener is extremely luck dependent and failing to get a Thundercloud proc will result in a dps loss.

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Originally Posted by OneWingedSora

Creme Brulee if you don't need the accuracy and can reach the SSPD cap on the food, Marron glace if you need the accuracy.

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Spellspeed cap? What spellspeed cap? O.o

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Originally Posted by Pyroclastic

Spellspeed cap? What spellspeed cap? O.o

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The 40 Spell Speed on Creme Brulee.

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Originally Posted by OneWingedSora

The 40 Spell Speed on Creme Brulee.

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Oh, you got me worried there for a sec ;D

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Originally Posted by Neophyter

For the opener, why not add T3 into the mix? So, in essence:.

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You can't fit 3 oGCDs in a Swiftcast spell. 2 rides the line during Leylines, you'd have to add .5s or so to your timeline.

Could go into the benefits/cons of B3 vs F1 or F3 openers, but here's by far the biggest reason B3 openers are dead weight IMO. Depending on group buff timers, long ramp up openers, at whatever benefit they may or may not bring, can be bad for 3.0 group buffs. If your DRG pops Litany on the pull, as is a common strat, you're spending about 8s of it ramping up. Heck, you may even miss a bit of TA in there. I'm sure we all know, Foe's or no Foe's, BLM on the opener with crits is some of the nastiest burst in the game, possibly the strongest if you get a few 10k crits of your 5 to 6 F4s. You don't wanna miss even one RS F4 with Litany if you can help it.

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Originally Posted by Sleigh

If your DRG pops Litany on the pull, as is a common strat, you're spending about 8s of it ramping up.

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I feel as though popping group CDs on pull is bad practice because all classes have ramp up (at least 3 GCDs to put on slashing/piercing/blunt debuff? I don't play MNK or DRG but for NIN and WAR, it's 3 GCDs) and so the B3 opener shouldn't be that big of a deal, but if it's as you say, then yeah, my opener will lose out on the group buffs. Also, I adjusted my opener to have quelling and ley lines before the B3 but being on my phone and trying to put it in here makes me sad.

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Originally Posted by Neophyter

I feel as though popping group CDs on pull is bad practice because all classes have ramp up (at least 3 GCDs to put on slashing/piercing/blunt debuff? I don't play MNK or DRG but for NIN and WAR, it's 3 GCDs) and so the B3 opener shouldn't be that big of a deal, but if it's as you say, then yeah, my opener will lose out on the group buffs. Also, I adjusted my opener to have quelling and ley lines before the B3 but being on my phone and trying to put it in here makes me sad.

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Just my opinion but I personally completely disagree on a B3 opener. I don't see the benefit for the time wasted

I came up with a new opener but a minimum of 687 Spell Speed is required as it barely leaves any room for error.

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                  Quelling Strikes
                  Ley Lines
                  Sharpcast
0.00  240.00  B3
0.50              Swiftcast
2.01  190.00  T3  Enochian
                  Raging Strikes
2.01  211.68  F3
0.50              Pot
2.41  635.04  F4
2.41  635.04  F4
2.01  408.24  F1
2.01  894.60  TC  Convert
2.41  635.04  F4
2.41  635.04  F4
2.41  635.04  F4
2.01  176.40  B3
2.41  294.00  B4

25.76  5590.12 

PPS: 217.0078

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Tried it out and it worked with 687 Spell Speed. You barely squeeze in the Fire 4 and start the Blizzard 3 at the end of Astral Fire.

1311 on A1S with no Ninja and 3 jumps . i201. figured out the secret :P

http://i.imgur.com/MoWi8Zr.png

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Originally Posted by OneWingedSora

1311 on A1S with no Ninja and 3 jumps . i201. figured out the secret :P

http://i.imgur.com/MoWi8Zr.png

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Group DPS > Personal Stat Padding.

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Originally Posted by Garotte14

Just my opinion but I personally completely disagree on a B3 opener. I don't see the benefit for the time wasted

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IIRC the idea around it is so you have more mana at the end of your fire phase so you don't waste time waiting for a mana tick when you switch into your first ice phase. Not sure which is the bigger dps loss though, not enough time to work it out.

@Aikaal

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Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon

IIRC the idea around it is so you have more mana at the end of your fire phase so you don't waste time waiting for a mana tick when you switch into your first ice phase. Not sure which is the bigger dps loss though, not enough time to work it out.

@Aikaal

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It made sense in 2.0 cause it gave us another F1.

I guess if it works for you. Personally use the Sharpcast opener and never had the mana issue.

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Originally Posted by OneWingedSora

1311 on A1S with no Ninja and 3 jumps . i201. figured out the secret :P

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I tend to agree with Harold on this one. It's an impressive parse for you no doubt, but it comes at the sacrifice of group dps. You're picking up the slack. But then again, whatever works for your group...

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Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon

Group DPS > Personal Stat Padding.

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Originally Posted by Garotte14

I tend to agree with Harold on this one. It's an impressive parse for you no doubt, but it comes at the sacrifice of group dps. You're picking up the slack. But then again, whatever works for your group...

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It was a sell if you can't tell from the parse already, everyone was playing it super safe other than me and we had four people on their alts in il190-195 for a one chest run. We already had a 5:30 minute clear before. In fact, if this was a normal clear and we had two jumps like we normally do, this could have easily been a 1.4k+ parse.

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Originally Posted by OneWingedSora

It was a sell if you can't tell from the parse already, everyone was playing it super safe other than me and we had four people on their alts in il190-195 for a one chest run. We already had a 5:30 minute clear before. In fact, if this was a normal clear and we had two jumps like we normally do, this could have easily been a 1.4k+ parse.

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Ah, gotcha. It's better than I've done for sure. I'm usually blowing holes until after the first jump during the third set of adds. I struggle slightly with keeping my extremely high dps while moving the adds around and stuff, and my dps drops. I was like right at 1k this last Tuesday at i193. But I'm interested to see how it goes next reset, cause I got boots, belt + upgrade, and got Gordian ring so I'm i197 now.

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Originally Posted by Garotte14

It made sense in 2.0 cause it gave us another F1.

I guess if it works for you. Personally use the Sharpcast opener and never had the mana issue.

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As I said before, i've not had enough time to work it out, was just detailing the idea behind it. Whenever i've tried the sharpcast opener i've always been waiting for a mana tick when going into ice phase. That, and playing from EU makes some of the timing too tight.

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Originally Posted by OneWingedSora

It was a sell if you can't tell from the parse already, everyone was playing it super safe other than me and we had four people on their alts in il190-195 for a one chest run. We already had a 5:30 minute clear before. In fact, if this was a normal clear and we had two jumps like we normally do, this could have easily been a 1.4k+ parse.

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Put a link to the .act file then :) Regardless of a sell or not, your Bard DPS and other DPS was really not up to scratch - I really hope that other DPS was a MCH rather than a MNK.

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Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon

Put a link to the .act file then :) Regardless of a sell or not, your Bard DPS and other DPS was really not up to scratch - I really hope that other DPS was a MCH rather than a MNK.

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As I said, the other DPS were both on alts. I don't know what you are trying to argue here, this is an i190 bard with no disembowel on a 3 jumps run. Monk had damage down debuff.

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Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon

As I said before, i've not had enough time to work it out, was just detailing the idea behind it. Whenever i've tried the sharpcast opener i've always been waiting for a mana tick when going into ice phase. That, and playing from EU makes some of the timing too tight.

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Hmm, that's odd. I end my rotation with a swiftcast > flare > convert > fire 4 > blizz 3 > T1 > Blizz 4 and never had to wait for a tick. If I have to move more than once during that opener, I can drop the thunder for time if I need. But I have to move at least 3 times for that to happen which is rare. It's the main advantage in the sharp opener, plus if you get firestarter from your fire 1 refresh, it's just as potent as the F4x6 opener. You might be ending your rotation different than me which might be why.

can someone help explain this to me

today i purchased the I200 eso head piece and replaced my old i180

and for some reason i cannot do my usual 6 fire IV opener anymore as i am short on mana to cast blizzard III

and when i switch back to the old I180 head piece i can do the opener just fine

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Originally Posted by itti18

can someone help explain this to me

today i purchased the I200 eso head piece and replaced my old i180

and for some reason i cannot do my usual 6 fire IV opener anymore as i am short on mana to cast blizzard III

and when i switch back to the old I180 head piece i can do the opener just fine

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That's weird, there's no difference in Spell SPeed. Do you have 264 Piety?

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Originally Posted by Aikaal

That's weird, there's no difference in Spell SPeed. Do you have 264 Piety?

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i have 262

but like i said with the old head piece i can do the 6 fire IV opener with no problem

but as soon as i change to the i200 piece it doesnt work anymore

, its really weird
could it be a bug or something ?

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Originally Posted by itti18

i have 262

but like i said with the old head piece i can do the 6 fire IV opener with no problem

but as soon as i change to the i200 piece it doesnt work anymore

, its really weird
could it be a bug or something ?

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It's not a bug. You really need 264 Piety or you are lucky to get the rotation properly x.x You'll always get it with the Piety party bonus :D

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Originally Posted by Aikaal

It's not a bug. You really need 264 Piety or you are lucky to get the rotation properly x.x You'll always get it with the Piety party bonus :D

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yea i guess i was just lucky , i tried it now and it didn work ,

i dont know why but there is another 6 fire IV rotation that works without the party bonus ,
it starts with blizzard 3

That is because UI3 reduces the mana cost of Fire 3.

I just carry around a stack of grape juice to hit 264 piety when I don't have a SCH/AST.

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Originally Posted by Garotte14

Hmm, that's odd. I end my rotation with a swiftcast > flare > convert > fire 4 > blizz 3 > T1 > Blizz 4 and never had to wait for a tick. If I have to move more than once during that opener, I can drop the thunder for time if I need. But I have to move at least 3 times for that to happen which is rare. It's the main advantage in the sharp opener, plus if you get firestarter from your fire 1 refresh, it's just as potent as the F4x6 opener. You might be ending your rotation different than me which might be why.

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I've not updated myself with the new opener. Aikaal mentioned something about flare, but i've really not had chance to look at it. I'll try and take a look at it tonight, as I was doing Conver>F4>F4 before.

Quick question: Should I buy esoteric pants or not?

We are currently in A3S add phase, so on the one hand, we need every damage possible, on the other hand the pants are not far away (with luck)

I would gain 7 Int, 32 Crit, 8 Vitality
I would lose 74 det (and 60 useless accuracy)

I just don't know the stat weight.. apart vom 8 vit ... are 7 int+32 crit > 74 det?

hello
in the 3 possible opener the one with convert flare.
If u get a F3P it could be better to use convert on 2 fire IV with swiftcast.
That could be :
Sharp+F1 > ley+eno F3P > RS+pot > F4 > F4 > F1 > F4 > F4 > F3P > convert+swiftcast > F4 > F4 > B3

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Originally Posted by Primm

Quick question: Should I buy esoteric pants or not?

We are currently in A3S add phase, so on the one hand, we need every damage possible, on the other hand the pants are not far away (with luck)

I would gain 7 Int, 32 Crit, 8 Vitality
I would lose 74 det (and 60 useless accuracy)

I just don't know the stat weight.. apart vom 8 vit ... are 7 int+32 crit > 74 det?

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I,m dealing with the same issue right now. Only pants to upgrade and side grades from boots and bracelets. Main stat > everything.

IS there a tentative BiS list for blm - our blm is at a total loss at what to buy next.