[Guide] Paladin Tanking Compendium 2.0

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Originally Posted by Aggronaught

How is it not optimal? its off GCD for a reason, the only thing making it not optimal is NOT using it on cooldown, you have plenty of time between GCD abilities to get OFF GCD abilities on CD. You lose more DPS/TPS (Enmity) by holding onto Spirits Within/Scorn because you don't want to use them in a row.

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I simply ignored this statement because it was untrue. The rotation in this guide is optimal. Throughout the thread it has been tested and put up against shield swipe and fracture only proving the math is correct.

So we have 4 items we need to buy with tomes? The rest are drops from BCoB?

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Originally Posted by Griffeth

So we have 4 items we need to buy with tomes? The rest are drops from BCoB?

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If your goal is to maximize parry. Should you want to maximize threat generation you would have to create a different list. Maybe something that incorporates the BC legs and feet as well as valor chest since those are massive threat pieces.

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Originally Posted by Pixelshader

I simply ignored this statement because it was untrue. The rotation in this guide is optimal. Throughout the thread it has been tested and put up against shield swipe and fracture only proving the math is correct.

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OP's rotaiton is optimal for threat, as far as I know, at no point in the thread was it ever challenged on this point (at least not credibly). Points about swip and fracture were for dps, not threat, gains, and as that was thoroughly discussed, such play is very situational in its use.


Regarding our gear discussion:

The list I posted was the synopsis of your best in slot listing. I'm'a take a quick gander at your numbers, though personally I would aim for 475 raither than 472, if for no reason other than being the tank on the dps'd knight and soldier sets in turn 4. At least the way we do it, we have two physical and two magic go full attack on one tanks set first (the tank that will do the first dread), which means that tank CANNOT afford to miss if they want to hold threat. That is, as far as I know though, the only place in the game where a single miss can actually cause someone to pull threat. Similarly, the knight and soldier that spawn with the rook are fought in the same mannor, once again requiring maximum threat generation on both targets.

That said, if you eitehr A) aren't ever that tank or B) do a different approach, I could see 472 being viable. Idk though, I would rather just never miss rather than gaining a little more parry, but I think that's personal preference more than theory craft.

In light of this table and this being the "optimal parry/accuracy" build, might I suggest you edit your top page gear list so that best in slot adds up to this set?

Fun fact: the build works without allagan blade (as this is largely unobtainable atm), which is significant as it allows us to chase this build without having to wait on "impossible" loot.

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Originally Posted by Pixelshader

If your goal is to maximize parry. Should you want to maximize threat generation you would have to create a different list. Maybe something that incorporates the BC legs and feet as well as valor chest since those are massive threat pieces.

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Sounds good. Trying to get ready for Coil this week (I have a long way to go) and trying to figure out the best way to get there and where to go from there. First 900 tomes are going to Relic though.

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Originally Posted by PiedPiper

OP's rotaiton is optimal for threat, as far as I know, at no point in the thread was it ever challenged on this point (at least not credibly). Points about swip and fracture were for dps, not threat, gains, and as that was thoroughly discussed, such play is very situational in its use.


Regarding our gear discussion:

The list I posted was the synopsis of your best in slot listing. I'm'a take a quick gander at your numbers, though personally I would aim for 475 raither than 472, if for no reason other than being the tank on the dps'd knight and soldier sets in turn 4. At least the way we do it, we have two physical and two magic go full attack on one tanks set first (the tank that will do the first dread), which means that tank CANNOT afford to miss if they want to hold threat. That is, as far as I know though, the only place in the game where a single miss can actually cause someone to pull threat. Similarly, the knight and soldier that spawn with the rook are fought in the same mannor, once again requiring maximum threat generation on both targets.

That said, if you eitehr A) aren't ever that tank or B) do a different approach, I could see 472 being viable. Idk though, I would rather just never miss rather than gaining a little more parry, but I think that's personal preference more than theory craft.

In light of this table and this being the "optimal parry/accuracy" build, might I suggest you edit your top page gear list so that best in slot adds up to this set?

Fun fact: the build works without allagan blade (as this is largely unobtainable atm), which is significant as it allows us to chase this build without having to wait on "impossible" loot.

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I can tell you for sure if you just go down the list without following the stat weight formula you will fall below a reasonable accuracy level. As for an attainable list you can use this:

http://images.bluegartr.com/bucket/g...96e871822d.png
Credit: Jahaudant for putting the data in a nice pretty table.

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Originally Posted by PiedPiper

In light of this table and this being the "optimal parry/accuracy" build, might I suggest you edit your top page gear list so that best in slot adds up to this set?

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Added both tables for everyone's convenience. Thank you for the suggestion.

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Originally Posted by Pixelshader

Added both tables for everyone's convenience. Thank you for the suggestion.

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Word ^^ I came back to this thread looking for that table exactly haha. Glad you made it. Lets me know where to spend my next set of mythic pionts in nice clear lay out. (Currently have +1 sword/shield, valor head/body + allagan belt and ring).

Do you have the numbers on vitality returns? I'm pretty sure its not linear (like always the same amount of hp per vit). I really wanna know what the cap is for pld hp (give or take a few points based on race, ofc).

Tables appear to be the exact same?

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Originally Posted by Griffeth

Tables appear to be the exact same?

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They are slightly different:

Perfect Gear for PLD (not including turn 5 loot)

Curtana +1
Allagan Shield
Valor head
Valor Body
Valor Hands
Valor Legs
Allagan Boots
Allagan Belt
Allagan Earrings
Allagan Neck
Hero's Wrist
Hero's Ring
Allagan Ring.
La Nosca Toast

This keeps you above accuracy cap (475) while maxing parry.

Perfect: Including Turn 5

Allagan Blade
Allagan Shield
Allagan head
Valor Body
Valor Gloves
Valor Legs
Allagan Boots
Allagan Belt
Allagan Earrings
Allagan Neck
Allagan Wrist
Allagan Ring
Hero's Ring.

Again, max parry while maintaining accuracy cap.