Bring Back Kaiten

日本語:
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English:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...Kaiten_eng.png
Deutsch:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...Kaiten_ger.png
Français:
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as you see this is the Tooltip of Kaiten, but it also doubles as the Reason for Kenki to exist, I made this realization shortly after 6.1, since it's gone the Importance of Kaiten rings evermore clear with every passing day. I want the Devs to Bring Back Kaiten, because gave Kenki Reason and the Samurai the autonomy to increase the damage output on their own, which in turn created fun. After 6.1.. what fun is it to spam Shinten? I'd say none!

I'd be thankful if someone fixes my Tooltop Screencaps, like given back the Kaiten Symbol onto the slashed Question Mark.

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Originally Posted by RyuuZero

日本語:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...050d329a5c.png
English:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...Kaiten_eng.png
Deutsch:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...Kaiten_ger.png
Français:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen.../Kaiten_fr.png

as you see this is the Tooltip of Kaiten, but it also doubles as the Reason for Kenki to exist, I made this realization shortly after 6.1, since it's gone the Importance of Kaiten rings evermore clear with every passing day. I want the Devs to Bring Back Kaiten, because gave Kenki Reason and the Samurai the autonomy to increase the damage output on their own, which in turn created fun. After 6.1.. what fun is it to spam Shinten? I'd say none!

I'd be thankful if someone fixes my Tooltop Screencaps, like given back the Kaiten Symbol onto the slashed Question Mark.

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Kaiten is indeed in PvP,

Seeing blank removal bars you’re being delusional or just can’t let it go

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Originally Posted by Vencio

Seeing blank removal bars you’re being delusional or just can’t let it go

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It's not delusion, it's dedication!
Like how you only come back to the forums to help and refuel the Kaiten discussion. (❁´▽`❁)*✲ﾟ*

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Kaiten made Kenki interact with Weaponskills, which granted the Player the Ability to boost Damage on their own. That's the Freedom that Kaiten granted you, to boost every Weaponskill you want, for just 20 Kenki. Just get to 20 Kenki and prepare your next Weaponskills BOOM!

Saying that Kaiten is restrictive is like saying that the Freedom of Choice is restrictive.

Every Job in the Game has Weaponskills,
No Job has an Active Skill that interacts with The Job's Resource to make their Weaponskills Stronger*

*which was Kaiten enabling to

In Order to make the most of it, the Player used Kaiten on the Biggest Weaponskills the Samurai has, which are:
Iaijutsu and Ogi

That isn't possible anymore, all Kenki is there for (as of since 6.1) are just the Filler Attacks like Shinten (for Single Target) and Kyuten (for AoE). For Senei and Guren we have Ikishoten to prepare for. Which contribute for Kenki and in turn Samurai to feel stripped and Empty, and most Samurai who were playing lvl52+ Content felt that!

This is the Learning Curve of Kaiten, to be prepared for the Next Big Weaponskill to make even Bigger! It's Unique to the Samurai and created the Identity to be able to strive for even higher Damage.

Now it's set Damage and the Crit/Direct Hit changes do nothing to give Kenki reason to exist after the 6.1 changes outside of gatekeeping Filler Attacks, which sucks.

If I would comply with the Button Bloat Arguement, My Solution would be to roll Tsubamegaeshi up into Iaijutsu (just how Ninja's Bunshin turns into Kamaitachi), since Tsubamegaeshi doesn't contribute to Meditation Stacks anymore I don't see the reason why it should take up a Button. But combining Shoha with Shoha II and Senei with Guren is not a good Change, Why? because that Skill already exists in the Dragoon's Kit, it's Name: Geirskogul and Nastrond, (while true those Skills are Line AoEs and the Samurai Skills are Circle AoE..) I do not want the Samurai to be redesigned into a Dragoon Circle Jerk. It's The Duty of the Samurai to judge the Situation to determine which Skills to use when, another Pillar of Understanding How the Samurai works.

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Originally Posted by Vencio

Kaiten is indeed in PvP,

Seeing blank removal bars you’re being delusional or just can’t let it go

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that's true, I cannot let good Gameplay go to the wastes of oblivion.
Which is why I give my Insight of the Subject Matter aswell as my Discoveries and Reasons, which is what the Devs up until that point did not done. They sticked the Landing with the Ninja Rework of 5.2 and rode that high until they hit rock buttom with 6.1.
I'd say those Player/Infuencer/Content Creator who blindly praise the Game every chance they get are delusional, it's not wrong to enjoy the game now, but to disregard our concerns and feedback in single sentences? That's wrong.

and yes Kaiten is still in PvP.. but all it does is to turn Single Target Skills into AoE, that may work for PvP but not in PvE ^^;

It is Important to see how the Kit of the FFXIV Samurai emulates real Samurai principles:

Kaiten - Is to utilize the Breath, to breath into every attack to make it stronger
(which is why the Samurai since 6.1 feels so weak, they doesn't utilize the breath anymore to wind up.)

Single Target and AoE Variants that utilize the same resource:
Guren/Senei , Shoha/Shoha II - that emulates the spacial awareness, to see the situation and use the correct techniques to win. When I'm surrended, I rather utilize my resources to hit all my enemies and when I'm in a duel I let hell break loose with strong targetted attacks. There was an oddity brought up, how we only one skill per New Resource.. after thinking about it, I'd say it to emulate the Journey to discover new techniques and perfecting them with the AoE / Single Target Variant in the Next Expansion+ learning something new to repeat the circle of learning and perfecting.

Ikishoten - launched in Shadowbringers, I'd say it's a preparation stance, because Guren and Senei have the same Cool Down so it perfectly lines up+ ikishoten also activates the Ogi Trigger.

Hagakure - it's a Code of Honor of the Samurai and the constant awareness of death, which is why in FFXIV it flushes away all your Sen for additional Kenki. It's in my opinion the more situational brother of Kaiten since Kaiten takes Kenki and Hagakure gives Kenki, through the sacrefice of Sen. (sometime ago I had a conversation with a friend about Hagakure, though in the context of FFXIV it's to have presented as a Skill)

Meikyo Shisui - It's the shortening of Techniques to perform them faster. (Something my Aikido Master showed me long ago)


BONUS - recently I watched a JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Allstar Battle R Super Combo Showcase Video, there my Favorite Character: Gyro Zeppeli used Ogon no Kaiten! ... so you'll tell me.. that my favorite Character, who made me love Pizza Mozzarella also used Kaiten!

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Originally Posted by RyuuZero

BONUS - recently I watched a JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Allstar Battle R Super Combo Showcase Video, there my Favorite Character: Gyro Zeppeli used Ogon no Kaiten! ... so you'll tell me.. that my favorite Character, who made me love Pizza Mozzarella also used Kaiten!

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Pretty sure the word Kaiten translates to 'spin' or rotate. Which in the case of ffxiv, was when SAM spins their sword in advance.

Not familiar with Jojo beyond the Dio memes, so can't comment on that, but there's a technique in rurouni Kensington where the ninja guy, Aoshi does a spinning slash called Kaiten Kenbu. And then there's the Hyuga clan in Naruto with the technique Kaiten, which is just them spinning like a top to block and repel enemy attacks.

It's literally just to spin.

Give me my kaiten back, give everyone their kaiten back. After that, if you the dev want to change something in the sam kit, please listen to sam community who can give you legit and sound reasons. This is just a rant post. I want to play sam again and i want kaiten back. I dont care if sam is top dps or whatever, without kaiten, the flow is not there anymore

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Originally Posted by xAFROx

rurouni Kensington

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lmao

tenchar

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Originally Posted by xAFROx

Pretty sure the word Kaiten translates to 'spin' or rotate. Which in the case of ffxiv, was when SAM spins their sword in advance.

Not familiar with Jojo beyond the Dio memes, so can't comment on that, but there's a technique in rurouni Kensington where the ninja guy, Aoshi does a spinning slash called Kaiten Kenbu. And then there's the Hyuga clan in Naruto with the technique Kaiten, which is just them spinning like a top to block and repel enemy attacks.

It's literally just to spin.

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yeah Kaiten may refer to us spinning our Blade but in actuality it emulated our breath, which is why we constantly used Kaiten, we were actively breathing into our attacks thus making them stronger. It's not a thing that can be just removed and be compensated with Potency Buffs and we all know that.

though I recommend you to read Part 7 it is that Good! and don't worry about skipping over parts since every JoJo Part can stand on it's own ^^