Its a shame Paladins have to be tanks. I understand.

I play tank with Trusts... easier and more fun that way.

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Originally Posted by ddwarbird

So I'm experiencing what it is like to be a tank and I have to say to all the tanks out there;

"I am sorry but you must have the patience of a saint"

Honestly, it is probably the role that gets the most abuse in the game. If you want to go slower because you are still learning how to tank and interrupt abilities, you get yelled at by DPS.

If you want to pull one group at a time, you get yelled at...

Its such a toxic experience, I am not surprised the Roulette wants tanks most of the time.

I wanted to level a Paladin because they have the coolest armour (In my opinion) but the toxic nature of tanking has REALLY put me off levelling one. The toxicity in this game has made a massive spike since we started getting a huge influx of WoW refugees here. Coincidence...?

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we really need dual talent specialization like WoW

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Originally Posted by Lily_Skye

we really need dual talent specialization like WoW

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how quickly people forget the arcanist jank

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Originally Posted by Lily_Skye

we really need dual talent specialization like WoW

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What's the point when you can just create a new job?

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Originally Posted by ddwarbird

Neither does being a whiney brat and have everything centred around me, me, me. But then the world has been growing gradually more selfish and "look at me" over the last few decades sadly. Sorry but in terms of the game, DPS are expendable and can be easily replaced, healers and tanks not so much but I wonder if you would enjoy waiting 15-20 minutes for a tank depending on the time of day.

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this is the most accidentally funny thing ever

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Originally Posted by ddwarbird

Neither does being a whiney brat and have everything centred around me, me, me. But then the world has been growing gradually more selfish and "look at me" over the last few decades sadly. Sorry but in terms of the game, DPS are expendable and can be easily replaced, healers and tanks not so much but I wonder if you would enjoy waiting 15-20 minutes for a tank depending on the time of day.

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Hrothgar player moment

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Originally Posted by ddwarbird

So I'm experiencing what it is like to be a tank and I have to say to all the tanks out there;

"I am sorry but you must have the patience of a saint"

Honestly, it is probably the role that gets the most abuse in the game. If you want to go slower because you are still learning how to tank and interrupt abilities, you get yelled at by DPS.

If you want to pull one group at a time, you get yelled at...

Its such a toxic experience, I am not surprised the Roulette wants tanks most of the time.

I wanted to level a Paladin because they have the coolest armour (In my opinion) but the toxic nature of tanking has REALLY put me off levelling one. The toxicity in this game has made a massive spike since we started getting a huge influx of WoW refugees here. Coincidence...?

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There hasn't been any sort of toxic spike. Big pulls have been the standard since ARR; the WoW refugee wave hasn't changed this in any way. Also, I am pretty sure it is the healers that get the most abuse.

I also definitely do not have the patience of a saint; considering how I just go for big pulls to try to get dungeons done as quickly as possible.

If the other people in a DF group want me to single pull, I would probably tell them to just kick me for difference in play style to avoid any conflict escalating and so I can go and find another group that matches me better. I want to be able to pull big for faster runs.

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As far as I know, its a bannable offense and I think SE should crack down on this behaviour considerably. There is a reason its banned and you shouldn't ignore rules just because you personally don't like them.

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If they really did this, then they would forever ruin the raiding scene. Parsers are a vital part of the raiding scene, always have been and always will be. It is only bannable if you outright state in game that you are using it; you won't get banned if you streamed the game with a parser active for example. People will get banned for harassment before they will get banned for using a parser, because the spirit of the rule is not parser bad, it is to punish people who are using parses as an excuse to harass people.

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Originally Posted by Rhysati

What fascinates me about this thread is the amount of DPS players telling tanks that they are just whiny entitled brats who have it incredibly easy...yet don't play tanks and wonder why their queues are always waiting on tanks.

Weird that the easiest role to play that is totally treated super fair by everyone else is the least played one. I wonder why...

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I see you set up some surveillance system to know who plays what classes and with what frequency, to know who plays tank and who not.

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No, that is simply not true. No other role has you babysitting a bunch of children that are constantly whining for you to "go faster" which heavily increases your chances to make mistakes. As a healer main, I have never told my tank to pull more then they feel capable of just to get the dungeon finished a couple minutes faster. It is done, when its done and I wish the DPS had the same maturity.

This is the problem when we've had an influx of the WoW playerbase (which tends to be younger then the core FFXIV playerbase). Its why this game had such a wonderful community for so much longer as the game appealed to an older, more mature playerbase.

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If you think this has anything to do with WoW influx, you have no idea what you're talking about. We've been doing wall-to-wall since 2.0.

Have you not played tank in XIV until now? This is literally how it's been since the game came out, everyone wants to go fast, everyone wants efficiency. It's boring as a dps to attack 1-3 mobs at a time and as a healer there's almost nothing to heal and as a tank you can just sleep through pulls, pretending like your defensive cooldowns are just for decoration. Also about thinking that tanks are irreplaceable, just the other day had a cranky tank in Zot, got called out for playing like crap, they throw a temper tantrum and leave at the last boss with "have fun waiting for a new tank", new tank arrives in 5 seconds. He sure got us.