Change The Rules For Leaving Dungeons (aka Why People Insta-Quit Castrum Meridianum)

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Originally Posted by Novaura

Nearly every time I have got Castrum Meridianum in Main Scenario roulette over the last few months, there is a player who leaves the dungeon before it even starts and it is becoming more and more ridiculous. Because as soon as one player quits, everyone else follows suit.

The rules for leaving dungeons need to be changed. There I am asking for a rule that I call the "Castrum Meridianum" rule. Make it so that at least 15 minutes passes before a player leaves a dungeon willingly thereby discouraging a player from leaving and that have to stay and support their party instead of continously abandoning them and making them either wait for a replacement or leaving the dungeon and forcing them to requeue, in DPS instances for a long time.

It's time that players of this game step up and help each other out. This is a game that makes you do that and if that is beyond your comprehension, then just stop playing.

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Ultimately, you cannot force people to stay in a Duty they find unfavourable-- or unbearable-- to their gameplay. Force them and they'll just circumvent the situation by looking for methods to be kicked-- the basic fundamental solution is to increase the rewards and give them a proper incentive to pour their time into it.

Besides, the problem is not as rampant as before --especially now that several people amassing poetics for their relics would rather run Castrum than Praetorium.

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Originally Posted by Tsalmaveth

LMFAO

No, you don't have the right or power to stop people from leaving ANY instance for ANY reason. They accept the time-out for doing so and that's the end of that. It isn't about 'winning', it's about 'You are not entitled to people's time OR to try and force them to do something they do not want to do.' That's all there is to it. Get over yourself, please. Stop trying to dictate and control what other people do.

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Too bad i cant end up with you in a duty or else id tank without stance or CDs or be a pure healer or play as archanist lv 80 as i RP a fight with my carbulce and such i cant use it... Oh what im wasting your time? sry but dont dictate me to play as you like me to <3

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Originally Posted by Tsalmaveth

[...] No, you don't have the right or power to stop people from leaving ANY instance for ANY reason. They accept the time-out for doing so and that's the end of that. It isn't about 'winning', it's about 'You are not entitled to people's time OR to try and force them to do something they do not want to do.' [...]

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Fact is, a roulette is meant to reward players for doing something random; in best case something that helps others get their first clear.

->If every person had the mindset of "Meh, I only feel like doing XYZ today" and left every other instance, we would reach one day the point where new players completed NOTHING ever again--- because everybody who's here long enough got their own hated dungeon(s). (In my case, it's Sastasha, and I barely endure it.)

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

Too bad i cant end up with you in a duty or else id tank without stance or CDs or be a pure healer or play as archanist lv 80 as i RP a fight with my carbulce and such i cant use it... Oh what im wasting your time? sry but dont dictate me to play as you like me to <3

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Actually, I have run with pure healers before. It's vexing, but I let them do what they want. It doesn't really do much for me in a simple dungeon run except make it take just a little longer. Oh well. However for the rest? I doubt I'd be the only one looking to simply dismiss you. You are PERFECTLY fine doing what you want... and I am perfectly fine removing either you, or myself, from the instance using the in-game tools. It's honestly just that simple. I can not at ANY point 'force' you do play a way I 'want' you to. I can't. But I can decide if I want to stay, or if the majority of the party wants you to leave. That's why the developers put these tools in. Using them as designed for their designed reasons is exactly what they are there for.

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Originally Posted by MelodyCrystel

Fact is, a roulette is meant to reward players for doing something random; in best case something that helps others get their first clear.

->If every person had the mindset of "Meh, I only feel like doing XYZ today" and left every other instance, we would reach one day the point where new players completed NOTHING ever again--- because everybody who's here long enough got their own hated dungeon(s). (In my case, it's Sastasha, and I barely endure it.)

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You are not, and should not be, locked into that random dungeon when you get it. It doesn't matter if it picks from just two(hi MSQ Roulette) or 10... or more. If someone decides 'nah, this I hate this one' or 'nah, this is going to take too long for what I have time for' or even 'wow, I know those people as they have harassed and been nasty to me in the past', they are free to leave. The MSQ dungeons have massive rewards added to them to encourage players to do them, it's an incentive. But they don't tell players they HAVE to do them for a reason. I can queue up my Alliance Roulette and after the 5th day in a row of Crystal Tower, decide 'nah, Imma head out' and that is just as valid as someone seeing Orbonne and going 'nah, people wipe too much, I want an easy time'. Neither reason for leaving are wrong. And while it might take a bit to refill the spot, that's what the game system is set up to do. As for leaving every other instance, they would have to spend a LARGE amount of time rolling that dice to get it... each time leaving they have to wait another 30min. If they HONESTLY want to do that, they can. It's their time to use.

I'm just really amazed that people think they have any right to 'force' other players to run content just because THEY want it done.

I don't force anybody to do anything. Read properly what I have written, Tsalmaveth, or don't react to me.

All I say, is, that the mindset of not dealing with the stuff roulette gave one isn't the greatest thing to happen in FFXIV.

I'd say it's kind of unsocial to leave people without even giving them a chance to clear an instance, but who am I to say that as a person who sometimes gives up on randoms after enduring 15min of hopelessness, no?

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

Too bad i cant end up with you in a duty or else id tank without stance or CDs or be a pure healer or play as archanist lv 80 as i RP a fight with my carbulce and such i cant use it... Oh what im wasting your time? sry but dont dictate me to play as you like me to <3

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I mean, no one can dictate how you're playing, but they can sure kick and blacklist you if they don't like it :P or just bail

That's kinda the entire point

Can't make you not play like somebody's cat rolling across their keyboard, but you also can't tell people Thou Must Complete This Dungeon Now No Matter What

This suggestion will only lead to people afking at the start of the dungeon for 15 minutes and then leave. Now imagine the situation:

Person is happened to end up in a dungeon they don't want to do for whatever reason. They can't leave for first 15 minutes so they just go and drink tea in the meantime.

The rest of the party also can't even kick them, for the same 15 minutes.

And so we have a dead weight and can't even replace it with a person who stays in roulette with "Join in progressions" flag turned on.

That said, the issue gets only worse as a result, not better. There already is a 30 minutes penalty for those who leave, and rest of the party has a chance find a replace for them. The fact people start leave after 1st person is another issue.


UPD (daily limit reached)

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

Pretty much a joke to call it a penalty, because it doesn't deter anyone from doing it.

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It's still a penalty.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

IIRC it's vote abandon that can't happen until after 15 minutes; kicks are 5 minutes.

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Hmmmm... maybe you're right. It was a while since I voted for a kick last time, I may be wrong.

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There already is a 30 minutes penalty for those who leave

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Pretty much a joke to call it a penalty, because it doesn't deter anyone from doing it.

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The rest of the party also can't even kick them, for the same 15 minutes.

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IIRC it's vote abandon that can't happen until after 15 minutes; kicks are 5 minutes.

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

Too bad i cant end up with you in a duty or else id tank without stance or CDs or be a pure healer or play as archanist lv 80 as i RP a fight with my carbulce and such i cant use it... Oh what im wasting your time? sry but dont dictate me to play as you like me to <3

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This response truly shows just how childish you are.

To be honest the best solution would be to simply rework the dungeon or just accept the fact that people are going to dodge.
People want the poetics they are going to dodge prae
People want the EXP they are going to dodge castrum
If they made the dungeon a single player instance and increased the exp reward of leveling roulette and the poetics gain of 50/60/70 to compensate that would make everyone happy (besides the people who like destroying balesar together)