Astro in savage

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Originally Posted by Leiloni

I'm just repeating a quote from Yoshi so it's not really my argument, more like his statement of fact about how they design the game. Feel free to argue with Yoshi P on that one.

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Except that Yoshi never said what you are implying he said. His comments were on how they set minimum DPS clear requirements for raids, not how any of the classes/jobs in the game were designed. So no, I won't need to go arguing with Yoshi P over something he never said.

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

Except that Yoshi never said what you are implying he said. His comments were on how they set minimum DPS clear requirements for raids, not how any of the classes/jobs in the game were designed. So no, I won't need to go arguing with Yoshi P over something he never said.

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I think you're construing things that were never intended from their posts, though. Most people have. All that was meant was that they don't design encounters expecting healers to DPS, which implies strongly that they design content assuming they are healers primarily, and *not* DPS. That doesn't mean healers are not *supposed* to DPS, only that the development team doesn't assume they do or expect them to.

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Originally Posted by Leiloni

I think everyone agrees AST needs further changes. Just not in the dps department.

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I think I am only seeing the same few people agree. Alot of people also feel that Astrologian job is in a very good place and will perform as well as the other healers in Savage which they seem to be doing well in.

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Originally Posted by Galdous

I think I am only seeing the same few people agree. Alot of people also feel that Astrologian job is in a very good place and will perform as well as the other healers in Savage which they seem to be doing well in.

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No, just no ... AST is not in a very good place, it struggles to do what the 2 others can do much more easily. So please stop spreading misinformation.

Like its been said a million times already, we know that its not impossible to clear A1S but it shouldn't be that much more demanding than on other healers jobs.

Its not because some people can clear it that suddenly we should turn a blind eye on all the flaws of the job.

Trying to mispread information yourself? Thematically it is impossible for Astrologian to be so far behind white mage and scholar that they struggle since astro is only 20 potency behind white mage. That negates to barely 100 hps lost along with the strongest (on 40 second cooldown) instant cast heal int he game with upwards of 1k potency if you learn to time it properly along with light speed which i clocked an astro burst healing for about 2k single target I am not not sure you are just trying to make a mountain out of a ant hill.

Astro is not as simple as scholar or white mage. It takes thought and coordination to maximize your card use but to claim they are not in a good situation is worse then spreading misinformation. It is borderline lying. If astro could not handle Savage then we would have issues but we so far have too little data to back your claim but actual proof that astro's are healing savage mode. Wait and see instead of yelling the sky is falling please.

I am sure the Devs will only listen to the feedback from lvl 60 ASTs that are doing Savage and not a level zero AST with no experience with the job whatsoever, whose intentions are being too obvious now. I am not going to be rude, but I do ask to please stop spreading misinformation if you don't have experience with the job and less with it in Savage.

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Originally Posted by kiraan

No, just no ... AST is not in a very good place, it struggles to do what the 2 others can do much more easily. So please stop spreading misinformation.

Like its been said a million times already, we know that its not impossible to clear A1S but it shouldn't be that much more demanding than on other healers jobs.

Its not because some people can clear it that suddenly we should turn a blind eye on all the flaws of the job.

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Kiraan, he is just trolling, don't even bother. lol

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Originally Posted by Galdous

Trying to mispread information yourself? Thematically it is impossible for Astrologian to be so far behind white mage and scholar that they struggle since astro is only 20 potency behind white mage.

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It's getting really tiring hearing this. Potency of heals is not the issue; it's the distinct lack of healing cool downs and ways to increase throughput when needed that AST lacks compared to SCH/WHM.

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Originally Posted by Galdous

Trying to mispread information yourself? Thematically it is impossible for Astrologian to be so far behind white mage and scholar that they struggle since astro is only 20 potency behind white mage. That negates to barely 100 hps lost along with the strongest (on 40 second cooldown) instant cast heal int he game with upwards of 1k potency if you learn to time it properly along with light speed which i clocked an astro burst healing for about 2k single target I am not not sure you are just trying to make a mountain out of a ant hill.

Astro is not as simple as scholar or white mage. It takes thought and coordination to maximize your card use but to claim they are not in a good situation is worse then spreading misinformation. It is borderline lying. If astro could not handle Savage then we would have issues but we so far have too little data to back your claim but actual proof that astro's are healing savage mode. Wait and see instead of yelling the sky is falling please.

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Astrologian base heals are the most mana efficient heals in the game in terms of potency per mana. Their potencies are fine; however, what everyone is talking about is BOOSTING those potencies through the use of cooldowns. At this current moment, Astrologians do not have many tools to mitigate enough damage OR boost healing potency like Fey Illumination, Rouse or Divine Seal can in situations where you stem away from sustained healing into burst-like healing.

Since Astrologians suffer from GCD syndrome like White Mages did in 2.0, just imagine White Mage without Cure III, Presence of Mind, Divine Seal, Assize, Benediction and Asylum (I left tetragrammaton because despite Essential Dignity being awesome, it does not top to 100%) with 4 additional swiftcasts instead. You're stuck relying on the other healer to heal during GCDs or your regens--which by the way, is the worst thing to rely on when you need someone at a certain HP pool before the global HoT tick happens.

EDIT 2: I forgot about Cure III.
EDIT 3: In case there are some players who do not understand raid healing, healers have 5 things working against them:

- GCD (Time until next heal)
- Time (Incoming Damage)
- Resources (MP, Cooldowns)
- Human Error (Avoidable damage taken, mechanics not being done, cooldowns not being used properly, etc.)
- Group Class Proficiency (Entire raid group is working around 90% or 100% to the maximum class potencial--numbers pulled out of thin air, but it should be easy to understand that if you have a raid group who is pushing their respective classes close to their limits in the bare minimum iLvL, things should be relatively easier. The only thing that cancels out proficiency is stat walls such as Savage A3 at the moment).

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Originally Posted by RichardButte

So people have been playing WHM/SCH with all level 60 abilities for a year.

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Once again you miss the point I said WHM and SCH I didn't say anything about the level difference as that is pointless as AST is a brand new class from the ground up and also WHM and SCH have had a years worth of refinement behind them to get where they are now I mean if you took 2.0 WHM and SCH at 60 and put them against savage Alexander they would fail.

You made your own point. Astro has less cooldowns than a 2.0 WHM or SCH right now, at 60, when SCH/WHM both gained a number of free abilities they drastically boost their healing output. Too much of their toolkit is tied up in cards for it to have access to the kind of abilities it needs for progression.