VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

Companies dont just pay or hire modders out of the blue. Do to legal and logistic issues, Not just for SE but the modders as well.

See, I've been hoping for Hrothgar hairstyles for a while. Now, i got hairstyles, so at least we know it can be done, but...to cut off my hrothgar's ears? On top of it all, the only GOOD hairstyle to even come out of this is snow's....which is a mogstation hairstyle is literally nothing short of a disaster. Of all the hairstyles you could port in, you choose some of the worst...two of which were obviously made specifically for females. These hairstyles minus snow just looks downright awful...why not the actual good ones for hroth like....windcaller...or something...

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Originally Posted by HeyMcFly

It's why I've just consigned to being a lalafell.
I've always loved the Viera race but they're quite lackluster in XIV- I figured we'd never get anything of substance added to them unless mods were involved

I hope you & the many other disgruntled folks find happiness in their characters- I wish everyone would just get a free pity fantasia at this point though.

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This kind of behavior is unexpected, disappointing, and unacceptable. I'm just done holding out hope that they'll do what they promised. Guess it's time to switch back to Hyur

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Originally Posted by juicybug

https://i.imgur.com/1EZp3Kv.png

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Wow the ones with ears look so good. Are those modded?

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Originally Posted by Otter_McTobbs

Wow the ones with ears look so good. Are those modded?

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Yes, they're community made mods of existing hairstyles

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Originally Posted by Otter_McTobbs

Wow the ones with ears look so good. Are those modded?

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Yes. ALL the good work are from mods. But hey! They are against the TOS.

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Originally Posted by Adamantini

Yes. ALL the good work are from mods. But hey! They are against the TOS.

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SE has a dont ask, dont tell, use at your own risk stance on it. So if a mod gets you banned, corrupts game files, leads to your account getting hacked or crashes your computer. You are SOL on your own.

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Originally Posted by HeyMcFly

It's why I've just consigned to being a lalafell.
I've always loved the Viera race but they're quite lackluster in XIV- I figured we'd never get anything of substance added to them unless mods were involved

I hope you & the many other disgruntled folks find happiness in their characters- I wish everyone would just get a free pity fantasia at this point though.

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Yeah, I was a bit disappointed that the viera did not retain their inhuman proportions like in the Ivalice games, which is odd because just look at the elezen, who take the same very lanky proportions as the elvaan in 11. The lack of hats, too. Still... I was happy to see the male viera, whose faces/stances/emotes/animations are closest to the classic Final Fantasy prettyboy look I have wanted for ages.

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Originally Posted by Akimori

See, I've been hoping for Hrothgar hairstyles for a while. Now, i got hairstyles, so at least we know it can be done, but...to cut off my hrothgar's ears? On top of it all, the only GOOD hairstyle to even come out of this is snow's....which is a mogstation hairstyle is literally nothing short of a disaster. Of all the hairstyles you could port in, you choose some of the worst...two of which were obviously made specifically for females. These hairstyles minus snow just looks downright awful...why not the actual good ones for hroth like....windcaller...or something...

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the Snow one looks awful if you look closer because Miqote, Aura and Viera don't get any of their ears or horns clipped when using it but hrothgar have to give up their ears to use that hairstyle, which is unacceptable to me as a freaking Roe because that is a cash shop hairstyle and should be held to that standard unless SE wants to program a discount for all Hroth players

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FH0H9m6X...jpg&name=small

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Originally Posted by Alpheus

the Snow one looks awful if you look closer because Miqote, Aura and Viera don't get any of their ears or horns clipped when using it but hrothgar have to give up their ears to use that hairstyle, which is unacceptable to me as a freaking Roe because that is a cash shop hairstyle and should be held to that standard unless SE wants to program a discount for all Hroth players

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Oh trust me. I'm actually pretty pissed off that I have to give up my EARS for these...lackluster hairstyle. I'm just passing it off that my ears are hidden. It looks decent at best. But you are right, a mogstation item should be held to a higher standard because people are actually spending their hard earned money on this and it's ridiculously ludicrous that hroths are being treated in this manner....especially since they aren't held to the same standard in terms of customization as other races, but still have to pay full price for outfits in the mogstation....

I created a forum account just to post about this...
Please SE, I'm fine with the hat situation as long as you actually put in the work into the hairstyles. Cutting the ears out is simply unacceptable.

I see it as if they are going to do a terrible job with hairstyles then just give us hats so ears being removed make sense.

What they've done to all of us is completely unacceptable. Its even worse for Hrothgars at the moment, and I dont understand why there isnt an outrage about it right now. I absolutely do not want to hear another person condemn a Hrothgar or a Viera for using mods that gives us what we should've had in the first place. This is absolutely pathetic Square.

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Originally Posted by Azazel_Grim

What they've done to all of us is completely unacceptable. Its even worse for Hrothgars at the moment, and I dont understand why there isnt an outrage about it right now. I absolutely do not want to hear another person condemn a Hrothgar or a Viera for using mods that gives us what we should've had in the first place. This is absolutely pathetic Square.

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I'd like to hear the JP side of this, personally. We tend to get a more accurate gauge of a situation if we know what they are feeling, since they are generally listened to more. If they're not happy, then there's still hope that something might be done. Maybe.

So apparently Yoshi-P mentioned why it is set up like it is.

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Yoshida: As for the ears, please think of it as the ears are housed within the hair. If not...well originally the ears and the head are integrally molded and it's the actual specifications (we need to adhere) in order to implement Hrothgar into the game, so to add hairstyles for Hrothgar we have no choice but to do it this way...

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Meaning the ears ARE CONNECTED TO THE HAIR. Of all the stupid ideas...whose bright idea was that!?

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

So apparently Yoshi-P mentioned why it is set up like it is.



Meaning the ears ARE CONNECTED TO THE HAIR. Of all the stupid ideas...whose bright idea was that!?

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was this stated today? because if so im calling MASSIVE bs. Modders made it work. they made it work with Miqote, Au Ra, and Viera. they have NO EXCUSE to cut off their ears.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

So apparently Yoshi-P mentioned why it is set up like it is.



Meaning the ears ARE CONNECTED TO THE HAIR. Of all the stupid ideas...whose bright idea was that!?

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Even if the old ears were apart of the hairstyle, they could easily copy and paste the ears onto the new hair mesh. Theres still no excuse for that.

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Originally Posted by Azazel_Grim

Even if the old ears were apart of the hairstyle, they could easily copy and paste the ears onto the new hair mesh. Theres still no excuse for that.

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the ears should be part of the head and not the hair. they'd skip the step of having to constantly re-add the ears to new hair.

Im assuming they made Miqote, Viera, and Au Ra Ears/horns, part of the head itself and not the hair. So it's Bull that they did this with Hrothgar

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

So apparently Yoshi-P mentioned why it is set up like it is.



Meaning the ears ARE CONNECTED TO THE HAIR. Of all the stupid ideas...whose bright idea was that!?

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That doesn't sound right, there are images floating around where the hairstyle on Hrothgar bugged out and disappeared and the ears are still connected to the bald head. As opposed to Viera and Miqo'te where if you look at the bald model the ears are separated and float above the skull and only connect to the model by the hair.

I made a forum account just to give more visibility to this issue.

Those look genuinely awful and the fact that the only "decent" one is a hairstyle you have to buy from the mogstation feels like a slap to the face. Almost three years being told to have patience and to wait only to receive THIS. A job that an intern could make in a week or less.

Absolutely shameful for a triple A team.

so what more do you guys think we can do to get our voices heard?
Anyone have any idea what the JP reception has been?

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

So apparently Yoshi-P mentioned why it is set up like it is.



Meaning the ears ARE CONNECTED TO THE HAIR. Of all the stupid ideas...whose bright idea was that!?

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Ha, what a joke! Meanwhile:

https://staticdelivery.nexusmods.com...994803042.jpeg

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Originally Posted by Yencat

That doesn't sound right, there are images floating around where the hairstyle on Hrothgar bugged out and disappeared and the ears are still connected to the bald head. As opposed to Viera and Miqo'te where if you look at the bald model the ears are separated and float above the skull and only connect to the model by the hair.

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I can attest to this. Its definitely not apart of the hair
https://i.imgur.com/4iipWFf.png

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

So apparently Yoshi-P mentioned why it is set up like it is.



Meaning the ears ARE CONNECTED TO THE HAIR. Of all the stupid ideas...whose bright idea was that!?

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If I'm reading this correctly, I think he's saying that Hrothgar were designed with the ears being a part of the HEAD. This is true, you can see images of Hrothgar with deleted/ bugged hair where they're bald and still have their ears.

BUT, to give them all these shared hairs without altering the hair too much, they had to change it and make the heads more uniform (so no 4 sets of ears on the hairline. So "hide the ears").

I'm 100% sure these are a new version of the Hrothgar heads that can't use the normal Hrothgar hair, but CAN use the shared hairs seen today and have their ears hidden.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

If I'm reading this correctly, I think he's saying that Hrothgar were designed with the ears being a part of the HEAD. This is true, you can see images of Hrothgar with deleted/ bugged hair where they're bald and still have their ears.

BUT, to give them all these shared hairs without altering the hair too much, they had to change it and make the heads more uniform (so no 4 sets of ears on the hairline. So "hide the ears").

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Or they did something really weird like store the "memory" for the ears in the hair? Is that a thing?

Trying to make sense of "the ears are housed within the hair".

Sounds half effort to me

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Originally Posted by Otter_McTobbs

Wow the ones with ears look so good. Are those modded?

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Yes. Player mods are amazing, there is one that literally allows all viera to finally wear hats- and it looks quite good.

I really, REALLY hope the chosen hairs is a joke and we can all laugh at the next live letter when they show us the real hairstyles + ears.

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Originally Posted by Otter_McTobbs

Sounds half effort to me

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its extremely half assed. if some random guy can make mods work in a week what the hell is square enix doing?

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Originally Posted by juicybug

Yes. Player mods are amazing, there is one that literally allows all viera to finally wear hats- and it looks quite good.

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For real. When I first heard about it I thought it would be a quick and dirty job, you know, just letting the ears clip through and calling it a day.

Imagine my surprise when I saw that it adds a secondary hairstyle (the one that shows up when you put on a hat) for all the available viera hairs and that the hats added by the mod (which are A LOT) have little holes so that the ears can poke through instead of clipping. Compare this to the handful of hats SE has made available for Viera over the last 2 and a half years and the quality is quite literally night and day.

I genuinely can't blame anyone that uses mods after what they have shown this last live letter, honestly.

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Originally Posted by BAM4000

its extremely half assed. if some random guy can make mods work in a week what the hell is square enix doing?

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Modders aren't usually constrained the same way game devs are, both from a financial perspective and working hours. I think that is a big part of it. But still, in SE's shoes, I would utilize that talent if possible. Maybe recruit these modders or something. Heck, some of them might be willing to do it for free. They already are. lol

It really feels like Hrothgar are a blight on Yoshi P. He clearly doesn't care for the players that play them especially since we have to shell out 10 dollars for a fantasia to even change to the extremely limited hair options we have. Viera also get the shaft but not as hard as Hroth. I 100% believe that he regrets ever creating them.

Also yeah where are the promised unique hairstyles after 3 years? I'd LOVE to see them. (and they wonder why people find 3rd party programs to do this).

Also on the topic of hats, I understand not going through the entire backlog of hats from before SHB and making them compatible, but creating all of the new armor sets and not having them all work on Hroth and Viera seems intentionally lazy. Your artists are already making the hats compatible with every race, why leave Hroth and Viera as an afterthought? This is especially frustrating with the lv80/90 job sets.

They keep saying that this game is an RPG first, but to me and so many others I know RPGs prioritize expression and character customization. The restrictions on Hroth and Viera feel very frustrating the longer time goes on and more is added for the other races and being constantly left out. The restrictions we have feel extremely dated in this age of gaming too, I really can't think of an RPG that does this sort of thing, Square has really dug themselves a niche in an embarrassing way. Their design philosophy on character customization feels like a weird mix of modern day, (with every other race other than Hroth and Viera) and 90s with Hroth and Viera being trapped in that restrictive 90s way of design.

TLDR don't call yourself an RPG if you don't maintain all of the basics of what an RPG is. (and don't make promises you can't/don't want to keep)

This is just insulting... my expectations were low, but wow.

Im surprised we haven't seen that typical "you got what you asked for! So stop complaining!" Comment that is usually a miqo'te or lalafell player xD

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Originally Posted by Akimori

Im surprised we haven't seen that typical "you got what you asked for! So stop complaining!" Comment that is usually a miqo'te or lalafell player xD

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When they aren't coming to SE's defense on this, that really does say something.

oh we have, just read a few pages back

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Originally Posted by BAM4000

its extremely half assed. if some random guy can make mods work in a week what the hell is square enix doing?

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They're a small indie company, please give them a break

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Modders aren't usually constrained the same way game devs are, both from a financial perspective and working hours. I think that is a big part of it. But still, in SE's shoes, I would utilize that talent if possible. Maybe recruit these modders or something. Heck, some of them might be willing to do it for free. They already are. lol

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While yes, modders doesn't have as much constraints compared to the devs but...
The devs could just... you know, use the little time they have to replicate what the modders can? I'd take one or two hairstyles that's properly done than 6 copy paste hair with chopped ears they come up with.

Did the Hrothgar Fantasia issue get changed at least?