No Arrows in ARR?!

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Originally Posted by Hart

Speaking of fallacies -- You know, your statement will still be factual even when the arrow change-up has occurred. So I find it odd that you would use it to try and debase my argument.

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I never said it had to be one way or another way. I just said you saying it cant be this way was a bad choice for a base of logic.

Specially since SE has said this is the way they prefer the class to be done, so your argument just got bitch slapped by SE lol.

I find the arguments on realism more reliable. Arrows are consumable, consume them.

However my personal opinion is that I'm glad they have removed the arrow upkeep - it is extremely obnoxious to see someones class become useless because they forgot to buy more arrows.

I'm sorry you can't cast anymore spells you forgot to buy crystal points at home - so, too bad the tank needed that cure 5 seconds ago.

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Originally Posted by Hart

I don't know why people are complaining about arrow costs now. You knew before you went archer that you had to buy arrows. Infact, different choices in arrows added a level of customization not available in any other job, that alone makes it worth the price.

If you didn't want to buy arrows, maybe you should have leveled a different job? No, instead you whine until developers gut the system to accommodate your hobo lifestyle.

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I'm sorry, but this is another "Illusion of choice" that a lot of MMO's fall victim to (former WoW, SWTOR etc). What possible benefit can a lv50 archer have by using mythril arrows opposed to cobalt? Weathered composed to bronze? If anything, it's just a tool designed to punish those who don't research out of game (in other words, busy work that pulls you away from actually doing content). If there were status and enfeebling arrows, it'd be a different story. But no, it's all flat damage +

There is no hobo mentality with this (other than some JP's using weathered arrows until cobalt). It's simply an artificial gate in a genre where those gates are seen as old and, quite frankly, pointless. Why not simply bake the arrow damage into normal bard/archer formulas? Since every level capped bard doing bleeding edge content will be bringing cobalt arrows anyway. There's no sense to it other than reducing player performance for those who don't do "busy work". It's not a skill check in the slightest.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Archer and Bard needs to spend gil to preform their basic function no other class has to spend gil to preform their basic function.

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So what? I started out as an archer, I leveled it all the way to 50, then unlocked bard, and as I said before I never once cried about the fact I had to buy ammo. I have given multiple reasons why removing ammo is more trouble than keeping it, the only response I have recieved pretty much amounts to "well I don't like it" in one form or another.

Therefore, I'm just going to claim victory in this debate since the naysayers couldn't come up with anything better than selfish reasons or statements of entitlement.

Ciao.

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Originally Posted by Vanguard319

So what? I started out as an archer, I leveled it all the way to 50, then unlocked bard, and as I said before I never once cried about the fact I had to buy ammo. I have given multiple reasons why removing ammo is more trouble than keeping it, the only response I have recieved pretty much amounts to "well I don't like it" in one form or another.

Therefore, I'm just going to claim victory in this debate since the naysayers couldn't come up with anything better than selfish reasons or statements of entitlement.

Ciao.

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It's a quality of life improvement for Bard and Archer and puts them on par with everything else in terms of spending gil. Some people on here keep acting like its a bad thing when nobody should be complaining about it.

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Originally Posted by Vanguard319

So what? I started out as an archer, I leveled it all the way to 50, then unlocked bard, and as I said before I never once cried about the fact I had to buy ammo. I have given multiple reasons why removing ammo is more trouble than keeping it, the only response I have recieved pretty much amounts to "well I don't like it" in one form or another.

Therefore, I'm just going to claim victory in this debate since the naysayers couldn't come up with anything better than selfish reasons or statements of entitlement.

Ciao.

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You lose, I win.

Why because a bunch of baseless reasons similar to the ones you gave.

Arrows is an outdated mechanic, SE could revamp the arrow system and maintain its consumption but they have however choose not to. If you want to revive it then give a good reason why, not ask us why not.

If you are trying to make motion it is on you to give good reason why. And as far as im concerned "it costs money and I think im cool for paying it, makes me l33t" is not a good reason.

More reasonable points to take down:
Gilsink lost - carpteners are getting housing items
Realism lost - Its easy to argue this one either way and I think this is the best bet for argument

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Originally Posted by Vanguard319

So what? I started out as an archer, I leveled it all the way to 50, then unlocked bard, and as I said before I never once cried about the fact I had to buy ammo. I have given multiple reasons why removing ammo is more trouble than keeping it, the only response I have recieved pretty much amounts to "well I don't like it" in one form or another.

Therefore, I'm just going to claim victory in this debate since the naysayers couldn't come up with anything better than selfish reasons or statements of entitlement.

Ciao.

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Just because you didn't complain about it, doesn't mean there is nothing wrong with it.

The fact is, arrows are a gil/timesink that archer/bards must participate in to do any content at all. You can spew forth nonsense about optional/enhancing consumables all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that arrows are/were technically an imbalance.

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Originally Posted by Vanguard319

Chakram, throwing knives, throwing axes, shall I go on? And yes, people do use them.

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Lol... you're so sure that they will remain. Even if they do they'll no longer be spammed nearly as much since TP is becoming pure regent based and not generated.

And that's how the cookie crumbles.

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Originally Posted by Vanguard319

So what? I started out as an archer, I leveled it all the way to 50, then unlocked bard, and as I said before I never once cried about the fact I had to buy ammo. I have given multiple reasons why removing ammo is more trouble than keeping it, the only response I have recieved pretty much amounts to "well I don't like it" in one form or another.

Therefore, I'm just going to claim victory in this debate since the naysayers couldn't come up with anything better than selfish reasons or statements of entitlement.

Ciao.

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You gathered those arrows because you had to. It was just a part of the game mechanic at the time, and now it's changing. It's a quality of life adjustment. I frequent these forums often and I rarely (if ever) saw requests for dropping ammunition in game. You're bringing the mentality of "If I had to do it, so does everyone else" into it.

I have a bard at 50, and I still spend an hour or two farming mats for the week. I never complain, I just accept it. Now I'll be glad that I won't be stuck doing busy work for said hour in the future.

In addition, remember the entire TP system is changing (one of the biggest reasons why people use those consumables is to increase their TP gain). So chakrams, bomb arms, beans etc will just be used for pulling. In fact, they may not even be needed for that (referencing the new DRG ranged tp attack from the gameplay vids). Those throwing items are going to lose their value in utility dramatically, so we'll see far less people using them. So any argument based on those consumables will become void in ARR.

It's a brave new world, and it's changing. Things become obsolete (ammo, throwing items), new things take their place, eventually some of those may become obsolete. Fearing change leads to stagnation. Yoshi-P is bringing us progress, even if he has to drag us...kicking and screaming all the way

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Originally Posted by Vanguard319

So what? I started out as an archer, I leveled it all the way to 50, then unlocked bard, and as I said before I never once cried about the fact I had to buy ammo. I have given multiple reasons why removing ammo is more trouble than keeping it, the only response I have recieved pretty much amounts to "well I don't like it" in one form or another.

Therefore, I'm just going to claim victory in this debate since the naysayers couldn't come up with anything better than selfish reasons or statements of entitlement.

Ciao.

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We're all really proud of you. Most of us actually enjoy keeping our gil for other things.

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Originally Posted by Vanguard319

Chakram, throwing knives, throwing axes, shall I go on? And yes, people do use them.

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You don't need these as a core part of your job. More about min-maxing your performance.

ARC/BRD are useless without arrows.

I really hope my CRP will have a new purpose in 2.0. One of the few crafts I actually liked.