PSA - Cleric Stance and vote kicking

Some people who play healers are also disabled and choose healing because it is a less intensive job than most DPS jobs (I know a couple people like this. They stick to healing or Tank jobs because they're easier to manage.) We should be mindful that there are players who aren't going to be able to perform at "100% capacity" for various reasons, and since dungeons are not really progression or hardcore content, as players I think it would behoove us to not immediately start screaming at people for "not doing their job".

Now if someone puts themselves into progression endgame content (8 man raids, EX Primals, etc.) - then that's a definite time for scrutiny. You should be doing your best in those situations.

But just because they're not assisting in speeding a dungeon run up by 5 minutes is no reason to be a jerk.

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Originally Posted by ColorOfSakura

I think it would behoove us to not immediately start screaming at people for "not doing their job".

Now if someone puts themselves into progression endgame content (8 man raids, EX Primals, etc.) - then that's a definite time for scrutiny. You should be doing your best in those situations.

But just because they're not assisting in speeding a dungeon run up by 5 minutes is no reason to be a jerk.

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You brought up so many good points, I think it is sad that people criticize when they are doing roulettes and your typical dungeons, Hell even unsynced ARR primal extremes. I think it is important to always play what you are comfortable with :D The only people I feel have the right to be a bit more direct are static groups trying to clear like savage because come on...if you are in a static you should know the people well enough not to take it to heart :3

I suck healing, but I'm not going to DPS unless I feel like I'm just standing there, everything I do will be an action rather healing when I feel there is a big threat or dpsing when things are kinda easy and laid back.

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Originally Posted by ColorOfSakura

Some people who play healers are also disabled and choose healing because it is a less intensive job than most DPS jobs (I know a couple people like this. We should be mindful that there are players who aren't going to be able to perform at "100% capacity".

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The change to cleric will benefit your friend. The revamp to cleric stance is a huge stress relief for any healer that had reservations about it before. All I expect from this change is to see more people trying to rotate in a little dps with their heals. As I've said before I'm not a savage raider or anything close to it and I'm not expecting flawless rotations from anyone. But if everyone is healthy please feel free to throw some stones/stardust/diseases on the mobs around us. Everyone will appreciate it. The only healer I'm likely to kick from my groups are 1)Extremely rude or abrasive folks. 2)The ones that cast a heal every ten seconds and spend the rest of the time staring at the wall.

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Originally Posted by joshdavis271

I suck healing, but I'm not going to DPS unless I feel like I'm just standing there, everything I do will be an action rather healing when I feel there is a big threat or dpsing when things are kinda easy and laid back.

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Perfect! That's how I started actually. Nobody told me while I was leveling that folks expected me to DPS so coming from WoW I just healed...and figured out pretty quick that I spent a lot of time doing nothing. Since I lag quite often (used to be worse prior to the server move) I started working in DPS without cleric stance. Then slowly I started using cleric stance more and more. With the upcoming changes there's never been a better time to get comfy with slowly working in DPS.

With these new changes making mnd increase your dmg you literally have no excuse to not be dpsing when there isn't a need for healing, you either work or you get removed it's that simple, and these changes heavily reinforce that.

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Originally Posted by Adventica6

With these new changes making mnd increase your dmg you literally have no excuse to not be dpsing when there isn't a need for healing, you either work or you get removed it's that simple, and these changes heavily reinforce that.

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Exactly, there should be not standing there and derping when you need to perform something rather it be healing or attacking, the stone spells are not there to make your hotbar look pretty.

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Originally Posted by LadyAveria

Thank you for clarifying the lilly system ^+^ I understand you wanting the risk mechanic but if you broaden the picture a lot of healers including myself just decide not to DPS because switching between stances all the time is quite tedious for us and we feel like it is just stupid. I found everytime I wanted to change stance and do a little bit of damage, I look in my party list and someone is hurting real bad so now I have to wait 5 seconds for the cooldown to switch back to healing to hopefully get to them in time, it is very annoying for me on all healer jobs. I don't expect DPS jobs to know their rotation 100% and do the best possible damage or tanks to hold agro 100% of the time and I also don't expect healers to suddenly become solely DPS jobs even when the stance is removed. It is just a nice feature for us healers that want to do damage and not worry about being screamed at because the cooldown on our stance keeps us from healing someone and they die. ^+^

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/sigh

I suppose I must yield to the majority who seem mostly happy with the change. I just suspect it is going to make healing anything short of high level content painfully boring for me.

I do have a concern that healers seem to be getting slowly pushed more an more in the direction of a dps role but that is what it is. At the very least it will be the reality for us for the next 2 years. I just hope we don't hit 5.0 and them going 'we aren't adding a healer job because we feel the need still balance the three we have properly' followed by more of the same. I like dpsing as a dps. I like tanking as a tank. When I heal I want my gameplay to be focused on healing. That seems to be moving away currently and I don't like that. I have never seen this 'healers must dps!' thing in other MMOs and I have never had another MMO where I have had as much healer downtime as I do in FF14. The dps thing might have been unintentional but regardless of intent they are moving things slowly more in that direction.

I suppose we will just have to wait and see.

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Originally Posted by Adventica6

With these new changes making mnd increase your dmg you literally have no excuse to not be dpsing when there isn't a need for healing, you either work or you get removed it's that simple, and these changes heavily reinforce that.

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Fine. Then start holding SMNs that don't use Eye for an Eye and Virus and BRDs that don't use their songs to the same standard.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

...skipping Soar drastically increase the success rate of the run...

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As the groups that were doing T2 in enrage mode. Skipping Rot because 99th percentile dps but 0th percentile on handling mechanics.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

People play as healers because they want a different type of gameplay to being a dps, not because they want to be a low damage support dps. Yeah I get people get annoyed at healers who just stand there (I don't cause I would fall to sleep with nothing to do) but the flipside is they play healers to heal and if the game design isn't accommodating that then there is a question as to wether the game design is letting them down. Maybe a better question is why they have so little to heal in the first place that they spend so much time standing around.

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This is a fantastic sentiment. I often times wish, as a WHM, I had more support skills, maybe an "esuna shield" party buff that blocks one status affliction? Maybe a skill that turns DPS damage into heals on my focus target or the party? That would give incentive to DPS for sure.

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Originally Posted by Adventica6

With these new changes making mnd increase your dmg you literally have no excuse to not be dpsing when there isn't a need for healing, you either work or you get removed it's that simple, and these changes heavily reinforce that.

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The first person to call that out will find a lot of healers let them die because they were "too focused on DPSing" *smirk*.

Your move.