Monk 3.0 CHAKRA UNLEASHED

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Originally Posted by MiruWest

How much SkS you running?

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625 Skill Speed, or at least that's what a builder says with all my current equipment put on (since I'm away from the PS4 right now and won't be back on it until tomorrow).

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Originally Posted by enil

Not possible.
If you use ToD and Fracture in the same DK/Twin cycle, you are putting 8 GCD's between refreshes - you would need a GCD of 1.875 seconds to achieve this. Let's say I give you a 0.5 second leeway (generous) because of buff snapshotting - you still need need GCD of 1.9375.

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I never use Fracture and ToD in the same cycle. It's usually Demolish and Fracture, then Snap Punch and ToD. I try to avoid using both in the same cycle simply because I'd rather not lose DK or Twin Snakes. There are exceptions of course, such as the Alex bosses, Neverreap bosses, etc.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

I never use Fracture and ToD in the same cycle. It's usually Demolish and Fracture, then Snap Punch and ToD. I try to avoid using both in the same cycle simply because I'd rather not lose DK or Twin Snakes. There are exceptions of course, such as the Alex bosses, Neverreap bosses, etc.

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Then it's not possible to have Fracture on 100% then...

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Originally Posted by enil

Then it's not possible to have Fracture on 100% then...

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Is it possible to keep anything up 100% when you're having to deal with anything that keeps you off a boss?

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Originally Posted by Nocturcity

Most of us consider Chyea the top MNK.

And yeah I can't really speak for the others but most of the parses submitted are just for farming runs, no one bothers using pots/food usually, when Savage drops is when I expect things to get competitive. Around that time the leaderboards might be public too.

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You're not the top monk? I'm disappointed in you.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Is it possible to keep anything up 100% when you're having to deal with anything that keeps you off a boss?

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It's not possible to have 100% fracture uptime EVEN on a dummy without dropping either ToD, DK or Twin Snakes.
You said yourself you never ToD/Fracture in the same DK/Twin snakes cycle.

Let's say you have 2.0 GCD, one DK/TS "cycle" with ToD is 7 GCDs - 14 seconds. So you can only use Fracture once every 14 GCDs~ (28 seconds) - how do you plan on covering 28 seconds worth of time with one fracture?

People use Fracture? I barely even use ToD in my full rotation due to the high TP cost. A4 taught me a good lesson on TP management. The TP cost of ToD is already high enough, I don't see how Fracture can be thrown into the mix. Unless you're talking about bosses such as Ravana which has tons of phase changes which gives you time to recover TP. Then yeah, I understand how ToD is beneficial with 270 total potency, but not fracture. I just don't see the reason to add Fracture into the rotation for something of 200 potency and 80 TP. Although I can see the allure for high DPS parse numbers, but otherwise you are simply gimping your TP management and worse comes the worst you have to use Purification which is a huge nono.

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Originally Posted by Dami

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using purification to compensate for fractures TP cost is better than using forbidden chakra and not using fracture.
i did the math for this at some point, i think it was in the old monk thread though, and that wasn't even taking into account the rotational benefit of using fracture.

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Originally Posted by Zamii

using purification to compensate for fractures TP cost is better than using forbidden chakra and not using fracture.
i did the math for this at some point, i think it was in the old monk thread though, and that wasn't even taking into account the rotational benefit of using fracture.

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What math? lol. Fracture has a total potency of 220. I would rather start off with a new rotation with bootshine which has a 150 potency and a 100% crit chance. Let's just say for argument's sake that bootshine doesn't crit. That means Fracture is 70 potency higher than Bootshine if it runs over it's full course of 18 seconds. And you need 5 Fractures at least to make up for the DPS loss for sacrificing Forbidden Chakra in favour of Purification. So you're telling me that a boss is going to stand around for 90 seconds at let you hit it like a training dummy?

As it stands now, be it Alex 1, 3, 4 or Ravana EX or Bis. Forbidden Chakra is easier to manage compared to having to manage your TP while having a 90 seconds payoff time. Compare this with how many Forbidden chakras can you let off per boss fight compared to Fractures. I probably let off about 7 Forbidden Chakras on my Rana EX runs normally. Can you pull off 35 Fractures in a run for 10 and a half mins and somehow magically survive the enrage? Even with Purification can the 300 TP with a 120 recast time last you long enough in a 9min long boss fight?


So unless you are talking about 3 min parses on practice dummies, fracture currently has no place in the end-game where ToD is still somewhat acceptable if used carefully.

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Originally Posted by Dami

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So you're telling me that a boss is going to stand around for 90 seconds at let you hit it like a training dummy?
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if it doesn't, then you wont have a problem with the TP strain, so you can just use forbidden chakra anyway, whats the issue?

@So unless you are talking about 3 min parses on practice dummies, fracture currently has no place in the end-game where ToD is still somewhat acceptable if used carefully.

I would have to humbly disagree. If ToD is not on your hotbar then you're clipping your demolishes (their duration has changed) and you shouldn't do that. Fracture has a place on your hotbar too. It's ok that you have decided to forgo it but it is a useful skill.