Thoughts from a 60 AST & 60 WHM

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

Um, what? I shouldn't take it personally that my class is perceived as so bad that I can't actually do content without having to round up 8 people? So SE should just never balance classes?

Yes but that's the player's fault and not bad balancing's fault, and they will get kicked from the group whereas a bad class won't even be let into the content in most cases.

It doesn't mean good players on other classes can't achieve the same result.

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Savage shouldn't be puggable in the first place (in the first couple of weeks atleast). If you're going in with AST you are going to need a static or a regular group of 8 people. If the other 7 people flat out say -no- you can't play a class that you enjoy then you should probably find another group to play with.

I could create a PF that excludes all people under 180ilvl- or is full melee, or double WHM or w.e I want. That's up to the PF leaders decision. There are plenty of other people that don't really mind what class you bring.

I've said it before that AST needs changes but it doesn't automatically rule it out from being capable healing in savage - WHM/SCH combos probably can do it easier (no doubt) but it doesn't mean other comps won't flat out work. All this anticipated failure before anyone gets a chance to actually play at a savage level.

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Originally Posted by Rewind

I've said it before that AST needs changes but it doesn't automatically rule it out from being capable healing in savage - WHM/SCH combos probably can do it easier (no doubt) but it doesn't mean other comps won't flat out work. All this anticipated failure before anyone gets a chance to actually play at a savage level.

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The problem is that if Savage is tuned to be passable with AST healing even though it is miles behind in terms of ability to heal or DPS compared to SCH/WHM, it is going to be so laughably easy for WHM/SCH to heal through it that it won't be a challenge, unless the mechanics in Savage are just a ton OHKO's that have nothing to do with healing, in which case it's just gimmicky and bad game design.

It would be like AST equivalent to doing T5 no echo vs, WHM/SCH doing it at level 60 in an undersized party.

I would be very disappointed if Alex savage would not require a high amount of healing...:(

All I want is to be able to play Astrologian in raids with my static without making my SCH partner work more to make up for the weakness of my new job.

I dont know what happened but the new abilities and the holy nerf #2 made WHM less appealing/fun to me. It feels like something's missing. For this reason I definetely decided to give Astrologian a chance. Before the expansion came out I was curious about AST but wasn't sure if I'd make it my main healer since I was ok enough with WHM.

Now, I am having so much fun on AST. Probably because I loved and played COR in FFXI.

(Sorry for the double post. On my phone and it doesnt let me edit my post. )

I am lvl 55 atm and I can already see how harder it is to keep people alive than on WHM. Of course, with good players I have a blast on AST but say, when learning a fight and my fellow mates take loads of dmg because they are getting used to the mechanics why should I feel forced to go WHM instead only because of their "fix dps' mistakes " tools?

AST needs some love and soon.

Also, why is AH's range lower than Medica 2?! This is really limiting and annoying imo! Specially when everyone is all scattered around >< it makes me so mad when a DPS doesnt get the regen cuz he was a tad bit farther away.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

The problem is that if Savage is tuned to be passable with AST healing even though it is miles behind in terms of ability to heal or DPS compared to SCH/WHM, it is going to be so laughably easy for WHM/SCH to heal through it that it won't be a challenge.

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I actually think WHM (and probably SCH tho its not capped at 60 yet) are too overpowered and received abilities that make the class faceroll to heal and not a challenge. I wouldn't mind SE waving the nerf hammer.

There are always going to be fights which are a joke for a specific combo to heal - Titan HM/Ext were joke to heal with two WHMs, T2 was faceroll with two WHMs and T1 was faceroll with two SCHs, along with T7.

AST could be useful with a planned Synastry in A4 when OT and a DPS are dragged away from the main arena - as far as I've seen the Synastry buff persists and I can indirectly top off a damaged OT.

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Originally Posted by Rewind

I actually think WHM (and probably SCH tho its not capped at 60 yet) are too overpowered and received abilities that make the class faceroll to heal and not a challenge. I wouldn't mind SE waving the nerf hammer.

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WHMs and SCHs still get challenged in outhealing group SPS (stupid-per-second). :p


Anyway, I'm of the idea that they wanted all healers to be able to heal content with their barebones abilities, and have the tools to deal with contingencies, and they tried, but missed the mark with AST.

It's a bit... much to think square wants to make more super unforgiving content by nerfing classes instead.

I went back to my WHM yesterday, and I still need to hit 60, but honestly it was such a bore and faceroll to heal on comparatively. Hopefully that gets different, but after focusing AST since early access I've come to see it as such a fun enjoyable class. It isn't without it's problems, but it's so much more challenging and rewarding than the others in my opinion right now. I will still take SCH and WHM to 60 for a final assessment, but AST really is an all around fun class that has all the tools you need to succeed.

I still think all the complainers are just lazy. I also agree that Shuffle needs to be adjusted, and card buffs need to be well... buffed. But AST is NOT supposed to be as strong at healing as SCH and WHM. They are supposed to be handicapped and like Rewind said, there to sustain the party. However I still have been in the position as an AST to carry the healing, so far. Unfortunately there are very few super good healers out there. I'll be starting Alex today so we'll see.

Liveletter made it sound like MP use would be addressed (although they didn't say AST specifically, so maybe WHM will get a helping hand as well?).

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Originally Posted by Rewind

I actually think WHM (and probably SCH tho its not capped at 60 yet) are too overpowered and received abilities that make the class faceroll to heal and not a challenge. I wouldn't mind SE waving the nerf hammer.

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Maybe, but why would you just nerf them if the fight is tuned to their healing instead of buffing AST? A lot of AST's abilities just plainly feel bad and Noct is clearly inferior to to Di, which is also not great.

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There are always going to be fights which are a joke for a specific combo to heal - Titan HM/Ext were joke to heal with two WHMs, T2 was faceroll with two WHMs and T1 was faceroll with two SCHs, along with T7..

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That is an AWFUL excuse to keep AST underpowered comparatively.

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Originally Posted by Vill_Castiglioni

I still think all the complainers are just lazy.

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Great way to start off unbiased.

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But AST is NOT supposed to be as strong at healing as SCH and WHM.

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Then why bother bringing AST along if you can't rely on their healing?

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They are supposed to be handicapped

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I like how you call them handicapped and yet call complainers lazy. Nice

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and like Rewind said, there to sustain the party.

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Which they are currently worse at than the other two healer jobs. Both SCH and WHM can sustain the party so well that they can begin to DPS.

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However I still have been in the position as an AST to carry the healing, so far. Unfortunately there are very few super good healers out there. I'll be starting Alex today so we'll see.

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Good luck in there. Alex isn't even hard.