Pay for your inventory.

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Originally Posted by IceWing

I'd even be willing to do a one off payment such as $20-$25 per retainer for life....

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I agree. I mean, I don't want to pay for more space when it's becoming more rapidly necessary and I think people need one more retainer for free considering the influx of new items, I would have paid for an additional retainer when it first came out if it was just one flat fee. I don't have to make continuous payments for anything else on the mog station- and I really hate the idea of a bolted-on service being added to monthly payments.

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

You grossly assumed my financial situation and you are exaggerating with your slippery slope paranoia.

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You're still making assumptions and not offering any actual insight back. You certainly didn't elaborate; you just used a logical fallacy, slick.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

Try again.

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Originally Posted by Catwho

I also wanted to mention, for those who didn't play FFXI,

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If we're gonna compare to XI's inventory, then they need to have a ton more space for items per character. The starting inventory was lower for sure, although could be increased greatly over time, same with MH bank, then added the Aht Urhgan bank. Then they added what, two or three extra satchel/bags that equal your main bags current gobbie bag expansion. Add on the fact the items in your MH were more than show, they each held a specific amount of storage. Top it off with numerous NPCs in the cities, typically Jeuno, that held your gear sets for slips, which typically reside in your key items without clogging space.

As far as materia/SB data, would be the same as signed items in XI that get put into NPC storage, erased down to basic item. The only advantage that couldn't be expanded upon would be the AH, which even after I quit I believe they expanded more from the original 7(?) limit. So in the end, you seriously didn't need that many extra characters for mules. I personally had two extra characters, both of which were alts and not bank stores - with each holding their own gear sets.

Edit: Oh also forgot that "wardrobe" or something-another that came out after I was gone, which stored a ton of stuff.

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Originally Posted by Adire

Care to elaborate :)?

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Originally Posted by Adire

Good for you :)

I wish I was made of enough money to be so loose with my spending as to not care about obvious cash grabs being introduced to a favorite game of a favorite hobby. But if you are, more power to you! Hopefully SE won't ever push your limits like they're pushing the limits of many people already.

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You cleaned it to sound more suggestive of them being able to up near the end but if you read most of it out loud to yourself it can sound pretty assuming of the person being able to just toss cash around vs you not being able to spurge money in the same sense, to the one reading it and maybe even a little sarcastic which is what the person was commenting on not your ending remark with SE, anyways elaborated for you.

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

You grossly assumed my financial situation and you are exaggerating with your slippery slope paranoia.

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I wouldn't bother replying if I was you, you're going to max your 20 post limit in what may stir into an endless argument.

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Originally Posted by Atlaworks

You're still making assumptions and not offering any actual insight back. You certainly didn't elaborate; you just used a logical fallacy, slick.

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LOL What?

Did you read what they wrote? They are assuming I have the money to splurged on this simply because I don't mind it. That isn't a straw-man argument on my part to say they are making assumptions. Actually know what is going on before you comment, kthnx?

Also calling out someones use of a slipper slop argument as their support isn't a strawman.

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Originally Posted by Gumbercules

this is potentially the most twisted take on a pay system for vanity items >.> the vanity items are free....the space to store them is not. :P while i personally don't care about hoarding massive amounts of glamour items, if anything i go clear items outta my retainers im unlikely using for glamour frequently, I do feel this approach means that a solution to potential glamour issues in the future will always be met with "more retainers for sale".

Would like something along the lines of spiritbond item to 100% "break" it down to learn it and have it placed on your "glamour catalog", or can still use the current system.

Edit: I think the ventures system does a good job of keeping them "tame", as someone pointed out it would take asinine amounts of time to regularly cycle them all. the market board thing i guess it can be an advantage, but again to really milk it would require a tremendous time investment. with that said, if they start to sell ventures for crysta imma choke a b^&%#! <.<

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I made a post about this a few minutes ago somewhere else. Does anyone remember Yoshi P mentioning they would add an Armor/Arms Guide somewhat like the Mount and Minion guides where it shows info about weapons and armor instead of minions when you obtain them.

This is the perfect way for them to crunch down on the inventory space players who like glamour use, or people who get special items like Best-Gown ever, Tux items that haven't been added to Armoire lists yet. You obtain X item, it gets added to your Arms Guide, when you go to apply glamour it allows you to choose from the viable gear in the Arms Guide.

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

You grossly assumed my financial situation and you are exaggerating with your slippery slope paranoia.

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Umm....lol.

I said if you have enough money to buy into what SE is doing at the moment, more power to you. I didn't exactly label you with a specific amount of wealth...I simply said you have enough money to have the willingness and ability to pay for what content SE is wanting to gate behind payment. This much can be inferred, seeing as you admitted that you're okay with things so far. So again, no assumptions :). You admitted yourself that you have enough money to currently view what SE has chosen to gate behind payment as worth your money and capable of being paid for by your money.

Also, it's not paranoia. We can see the trend developing already. I can spell it out for you if you like:

First we had fantasia and subscription to extra retainers.

Then we had a cash shop open up which included a mount and some old event items.

Then we had premium Eternal Bond options added.

Then we had dyes added, which have been 100% in game up until that point.

Now we've got more retainers (the most functional of any cash shop feature) added when we need the storage space most.

Is it paranoia to notice a clearly developing trend? Because if so, I guess everyone would be paranoid for noticing any consistency in anything.

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Originally Posted by Lillia

You cleaned it to sound more suggestive of them being able to up near the end but if you read most of it out loud to yourself it can sound pretty assuming of the person being able to just toss cash around vs you not being able to spurge money in the same sense, to the one reading it and maybe even a little sarcastic which is what the person was commenting on not your ending remark with SE, anyways elaborated for you.

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My response to SDaemon should clarify for you as well.

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

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Yes, I did. Do two wrongs make a right? I just happen to dislike your snarky personal attacks as response other than actual information. That's what a strawman is: you misrepresented an argument to make it easier to attack. Then attacked it. I did leave a helpful link for you, if you need a better explanation- and please, try to tone down the sass. It doesn't help your credibility at all.

On topic- I would prefer at least for retainers to be a flat fee rather than a monthly thing, but one free one should be implemented, I feel, simply because the growing amount of items added by this patch in addition to what we already have is slowly pushing our capacities over the edge as is. It's called an optional service for a reason.

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Originally Posted by Adire

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This will be my second and last reply to you as I can already tell this can start to derail any moment now.

You sounded as if you assumed he can spend money unlike yourself because he said he was fine with this and still all nahhh about it. He could be just fine with it because it doesn't affect him period, he may not hoard or glamour as much as others here. Doesn't mean he does or doesn't spend money for a retainer, I personally wouldn't know but the way you worded it could be taken in more than the context that you, yourself and another gentleman here read it.

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Originally Posted by Atlaworks

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I think he's getting the slippery slope fallacy confused with someone noticing legitimate trends. I can name a ton of different negative trends that have developed in the real world even.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_... anyone?

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Originally Posted by Atlaworks

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You dislike that I called her out on her obvious assumptions and use of slipper slope fallacy, but not her snarky "Good for you, you can splurge on this" remark? You'll have to forgive me if I find double standard in that. Your link to a straw-man example is moot as my replies were not straw-man in nature.