It falls flat when you try to be snarky; mostly because you think you have a point, but don't. CS was deemed to be overpowered specifically in PvP because it made multiple-healer Holy train parties and such a thing. PvP and PvE are two very different animals with different objectives and party comps.Quote:
Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi
Quick points:
- You really claim that >90% of DF parties are so bad as to make healer DPS unviable? Not in my experience.
- All of these healers who supposedly are berated in DF parties for their lack of contribution: perhaps some of them are the problem if this happens to them often.
- The message you say you are trying to get across is not the one that you actually express.
- More sweeping generalizations: healers being bad because some mean person made them DPS when they didn't want to? I have difficulty believing that this is a widespread problem. When I encounter healers being bad it's usually because of them doing too little and/or attempting to play reactively. Healers who attempt to DPS and aren't doing it right just need to learn how to play well in general.
- Also, choosing not to factor in at-level healer DPS when establishing clear minimums does not mean anywhere close to what you are saying it does. Read it carefully. The devs avoid designing minimums with healer DPS in mind because the skill ceiling for that is higher than minimum performance expectation for player parties and would increase difficulty across the board (IOW only good healers stance-dance effectively, and clear minimums are designed to be accessible to more average at-level parties).
Please disable changing Cleric Stance during combat for make healer focus on healing.
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06-06-2015, 09:59 PMCynfael
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06-06-2015, 10:44 PMMilesSaintboroguh
It's a bit...odd to see that WHMs will get some sort of power boost in 3.0, but yet Holy in 2.0 was nerfed in power.
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06-06-2015, 11:08 PMckc22
If anything they should make it easier for healers to DPS by decreasing the cooldown timer on Cleric Stance - maybe they could replace Conjurer's protect trait with a trait that does this since they're moving the shell effect to the basic protect spell.
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06-06-2015, 11:40 PM416to305
I didn't read this whole thread but I've been a WHM for a few months and always CS to keep myself busy, but I have never once ever had someone tell me to DPS or to stop DPSing. All I do is DF as well as I love raids and other instances, so if anyone is a healer and is constantly having people tell them to DPS or to not, then I think you're doing something wrong. If they removed CS then I'd prob stop playing all together. To me that's the huge benefit of WHM. Even when playing solo, on CS we're pretty powerful. I'd be fine with ONLY healing, if an instance warranted it, but the reality is that there's always times where you just don't need to heal.
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06-07-2015, 12:44 AMGumbercules
think ppl are jumping the gun a bit too much, think his comment was at their design strategy not taking healer dps into account for hardest content, resulting in potentially faster clears than they were expecting. (for example so and so boss was "expected" to take so and so dps that would require a decent chunk of current best gear but healer dps skewed that) So he did hint fairly strongly at taking healer dps into account from now on when in regards to things of the scale of savage, which wont affect the majority of the players that clears content once they have mostly current token gear and did follow the intended design aspect of get gear from previous boss move on to clear next.
im a casual in every sense of the word though so would like to hear from a more accomplished raider how this reads to them, i would assume it to be a good thing since it raises the skill-cap across the board.
guess i kinda skipped the point XD I think removing cleric stance-dancing would in some cases severely punish individuals play-style and the "changes" yoshi has hinted at affect nothing to a degree outside of the hardest content that would completely invalidate just "healing" up to said content, and come echo buffs you too can "just heal" by then. -
06-07-2015, 01:00 AMVanilleFang
Wow. 15 pages in a day? That has to be some kind of Healer Forum record lol
My point of view on this? I don't know if I exactly like that healers will have to DPS in Heavenward, but I would dislike it even more if I wasn't given the option to if they disabled CS in combat. -
06-07-2015, 01:10 AMVanilleFangQuote:
Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi
Why is it always all or nothing with you? Either you can't DPS because the team is too horrible, or you only DPS and let your team die. How come there is never an in-between? Why can't you grasp the idea that people can do both? -
06-07-2015, 01:15 AMVerdanHoly is one skill. Giving us more offensive abilities and greater power because of it is a different design goal than increasing the potency of Holy.Quote:
Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh
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06-07-2015, 01:16 AMTruebladeNukeWait, seriously? *Double checks* ... whoa...Quote:
Originally Posted by VanilleFang
Anyway, while I don't see Healer DPS being required in Heavensward, I know I'd be mad if they made CS unable to be used during battle, especially since I got used to stance dancing as a healer. (Even more so than stance dancing as a Tank, and I Tank FAR more often)
I mean, I can see why they took that route with that AST skill and all, but on CS too? No thanks. -
06-07-2015, 01:29 AMsharazisspecial
I Don't mind DPSing as a healer. I just HATE cleric stance.
If they can't rework this ability. Can you at least let us toggle off cleric stance when its on cooldown, or they could just put a cooldown on when you remove this instead of when you use it. To prevent double clicking it back on. Finally like other have previously suggested they can just remove its cooldown instead.
Since healer dps is now mandatory in hard mode raids. They should make doing it less clunky , this is a game after all the primary goal should be fun...
In other mmos , Healers are expected to contribute dps. Though they aren't forced to use something as clunky as cleric stance to do this dps. Normally their Damage spells get boosted by the same stat that boosts their Healing output. Its good gameplay to weave in dps spells while healing. So theres no "downtime".
If they can remove cleric stance, they can just add a trait for each Healer. Which makes their damage spells scale of their mind stat.
They could even turn cleric stance into a temporary buff that removes acc requirements for x seconds.