Chocobo Dye Experimentation

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Originally Posted by cearka

Hello, I'm that friend. thoughd I'd add a few more details:

Apologies if this has been posted already. This is only a THEORY, so it might be wrong, but it's been working for me so far.

Theory 1:
I "think" that each fruit basically alters +/- 1 of the first digit of the RGB hex value, with a random chance of +/-
a few of the 2nd digit. This means, each fruit basically adds or subtracts around 16 points.

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Part one confirmed. After I corrected the Chocobo RGB spreadsheet, all of my results are in multiple of 16s, check my post to see my on going findings.

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Originally Posted by Hulan

... If I'm correct about his methods, those numbers should be 100% accurate to what the game actually uses.

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Just did the same and can confirm his method works, but the RGB he reported are off. What I am seeing is pattern of 16s, and RGB hex ending in 7s. In other words, only values of 00h, 07h, 17h, 27h ... E7, F7, (FF) are being used in the colors. I am working on a new spreadsheet to reflect these values.

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Originally Posted by cearka

I've been reading some other peoples theories where some of the fruits do multiple things at once, which then really complicates stuff.

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Just on the deepen red, I am seeing patterns of
-16 | 16 | 32
32 | 48 | 16
16 | 16 | -16
32 | 48 | 16
16 | 16 | -16

A quick grab of someone's result on a different fruit, I am seeing
64 | 48 | -16
16 | 0 | -80

So I will have to gather more results to come up with a more solid pattern.

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A little more explanation. Your always going to count UP. when I say go the other way I mean swap the target and source.

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That's why I messed up the last one, thank you!
I have started feeding the Chocobo the apples first, but I did not get a "new feather" message after 2, but 3 (which is still consistent with your theory if we consider the exact numbers, as it's a +38 difference in red).

Tonight I will check what colour it has become, take pics and notes, and feed him pears until I get a new feather message, which I expect in 1-3 feedings (it's +27 from Desert Yellow but it may vary once the green value is adjusted to match whatever dye I will get from the first feeding).

I will stop feeding everytime I get a new feathers message and edit this post with the findings.


Experiment: Following cearka's colour theory I will attempt to go from Desert Yellow to Lotus Pink

According to the theory, I will need around 2 Xelphatol Apples, 2 Mamook Pears, 6 Ciedalaes Pineapples (assuming the blue will loop). I will stop feeding the chocobo every time I get a "new feathers" message.

First Feed

3 Xelphatol Apples ==> "new feathers" message
--- 6 hours wait---
Colour change! From Desert Yellow to Millicorn Yellow

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Originally Posted by LyricalMelody

Could I get my Data Gathering project listed, please?
Link to my post

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Done and done. ^_^

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Originally Posted by Xethy

Our two make no sense at all when compared! hehe

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Is it possible that both were in different Stable condition?

The one thing I see that is common in both of yours experiment is that the total is the same, both used 12 Doman Plums.

Sharing my results so far in my quest to get Morbol Green.

I had previously seen 2 posters claim they got Turquoise with the following:

Person 1
Feeding 1: 3 Pears
Feeding 2: 20 Berries, 10 Pears

Person 2
Feeding 1: 20 Berries, 20 Pears

Here's what I did:

Attempt 1
Color: Desert Yellow (Default)
Stable Conditions: Good
Food1: 20 Berries (18 feather procs on the final 18)
Food2: 10 Pears (feather procs on all 10)
Result: Seafog Blue

Attempt 2
Color: Seafog Blue
Stable Conditions: Good
Food1: 4 Pears (a single proc on the final fruit)
Result: Turquoise

Turquoise is pretty close to Morbol Green so I'm tempted to not muck with it, but I really want that other color. Will update with more info if I pull the trigger.

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Originally Posted by AttacKat

Just on the deepen red, I am seeing patterns of
-16 | 16 | 32
32 | 48 | 16
16 | 16 | -16
32 | 48 | 16
16 | 16 | -16

A quick grab of someone's result on a different fruit, I am seeing
64 | 48 | -16
16 | 0 | -80

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LMAO. SE really needs fire there person that writes there RNG code, cause I'm pretty sure that person is a troll. Read your post, good stuff =D
I"m actually curios to mess around some more, so I might do some more experiments with coloring on one of my alts.

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Originally Posted by Moqi

Tonight I will check what colour it has become, take pics and notes, and feed him pears until I get a new feather message, which I expect in 1-3 feedings (it's +27 from Desert Yellow but it may vary once the green value is adjusted to match whatever dye I will get from the first feeding).

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good luck! hopefully atleast it takes you in the right direction. My buddy ended up being totally off with my theory, but he made a very large jump. So far I"m seeing that it works well with the smaller jumps (mono or analogous).

So, I goofed a little at the start, but here are the results of my guild so far:

Person 1 (Me) -- Chocobo: Oddard, Goal: Something Bright Green
Attempt 1 -- Fed 1 Pear. No Feathers message. Desert Yellow, no change.
Attempt 2 -- Fed 6 Pears (Darken Green). One Feathers message. Desert Yellow --> Lime Green
Attempt 3 -- Fed 6 Pears (Darken Green). One Feathers message. Lime Green --> Honey Yellow (o.O)
Attempt 4 -- Fed 7 Pears (Darken Green). One Feathers message. Honey Yellow --> Lime Green (Gah! The heck?!)
Attempt 5 -- Fed 5 Pears (Darken Green). One Feathers message. Lime Green --> Apple Green

Person 2 -- Chocobo: Maltear, Goal: Soot Black
Attempt 1 -- Fed 2 Apples (Darken Red). One Feathers message. Desert Yellow --> Millioncorn Yellow
Attempt 2 -- Fed 10 Apples (Darken Red). One Feathers message. Millioncorn Yellow --> Pumpkin Orange
Attempt 3 -- Fed 6 Berries (Darken Blue). One Feathers message. Pumpkin Orange --> Sunset Orange
Attempt 4 -- Fed 3 Pears (Darken Green). One Feathers message. Sunset Orange --> (awaiting results)

Person 3 -- Chocobo: Edge, Goal: Royal Blue
Attempt 1 -- Fed 4 Berries (Darken Blue). One Feathers message. Desert Yellow --> Ul Brown
Attempt 2 -- Fed 4 Berries (Darken Blue). One Feathers message. Ul Brown --> Aldgoat Brown
Attempt 3 -- Fed 1 Berry (Darken blue). One Feathers message. Aldgoat Brown --> Shale Brown

Person 4 -- Chocobo: Enkidu, Goal: Something Dark/Bright Green
Attempt 1 -- Fed 8 Pears (Darken Green). One Feathers message. Desert Yellow -- > (awaiting results)

My findings are consistent with the idea that after the first "growing new feathers" message it will continue to show up on each of the subsequent feedings of that snack type. It might be a bug that will be fixed. Right now, you always get a success message after the first one (on the same snack), but you don't know if it actually proc'd a color change. So saying you got 8 feather messages to go from color A to color B would be like telling someone it will take 8 tries to slot 3 overmelds. (assume that after the first proc, they can no longer see a success or fail and then get to see their results when they are finished). 8 is not a number that will work for everyone.

Evidence: from my data
Dolman Plum
Person 1
Desert yellow: 2 "new feather" messages => Cream Yellow
Cream Yellow: 3 "new feather" messages => Bone White
Bone white: 2 "new feather" messages => Snow White

Person 2
Honey Yellow: 1 "new feather" msg => Cream Yellow
Cream Yellow: 1 "new feather" msg => Bone White

It's possible that both of Person 1's color changes proc'd on the Desert Yellow, skipping over the Honey Yellow color, though I would need to use a Plum on a Desert Yellow (to one feather message) to confirm this.

Person 3
Desert Yellow: 8 "new feather" messages => Snow White

Person 1 shows 7 "new feather" messages in total from Desert Yellow => Snow White, so one of Person 3's proc's failed.

I believe it is possible that certain colors may have an "HQ-type" proc that results in a different color.

But that is why I am trying to gather all the datas :)

Data Gathering Form

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Originally Posted by Fufuless

Adding my last bit of input because I got the color I wanted.

Desert Yellow -> XXX amounts of Apples giving feather notices = Pumpkin Orange.
Pumpkin Orange -> XXX amounts of Apples giving ONE feather notice = Sunset Orange.
Sunset Orange -> XXX amounts of Apples giving ONE feather notice = Blood Red.

Enjoy.

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I can confirm the Pumpkin Orange to Sunset Orange with one new feather message from apples, and also the Sunset Orange to Blood Red with one from apples.

My other post. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2384747

I will be continuing on feeding apples until one "new feathers" message appears. Hopefully I'll hit Dalamud Red next, and then maybe Rust or Wine Red.
Just waiting on my apple plant which should be finished soon.