Gender locked race?

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Originally Posted by Lauront

On a separate note, I'm not sure why "la hyur" isn't contracted to "l'hyur".

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Because that grammatical rule only applies when the following word starts with a vowel sound (l'argent, l'eau, l'orange, l'huile). Hyur uses a hard "H" sound instead of a silent h.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

On a separate note, I'm not sure why "la hyur" isn't contracted to "l'hyur".

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Same thing if you look at "an hour" or "a hotel", if that makes sense. Silent H or not.

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Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage

Because that grammatical rule only applies when the following word starts with a vowel sound (l'argent, l'eau, l'orange). Hyur uses a hard "H" sound instead of a silent h.

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That explains it then. For some reason I thought Hyur in French would have a silent h.

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Originally Posted by redcurrant18

Wracking my head trying to figure out how on earth they could possibly justify having no male Viera being visible. I doubt a single forest fire would be enough to kill them off, regardless of whether or not it was caused by Garleans. They couldn't be killed by Black Rose either, since if that were the case it would not only kill them but the entire female Viera village and the Nu Mou as well. I feel that in addition to them being playable, they will probably be present in the forest as potential enemies to fight or wandering npcs in far reaches of the zone. Also, what would their interactions with the Nu Mou be like? Would they help the warrior of light in taking them and their primal down since they are a threat to the forest?

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Lore wise it wouldn’t make sense to kill them off completely, or even significantly, as that would cause the overall population of viera to go down the toilet in time.

Even if we don't get to play as one, I'd like to believe that we'd at least see an NPC at one point or another after they beat us over the head with THEY'RE DANGEROUS AND SHOOT OUTSIDERS ON SIGHT and yet we're set to wander through the woods at some point.

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Originally Posted by Rokke

Lore wise it wouldn’t make sense to kill them off completely, or even significantly, as that would cause the overall population of viera to go down the toilet in time.

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The only way they could get around that one is by having only the young boys in the villages survive. It'd be a pretty awful way to handle it, though. And it'd still cripple the Viera population until they matured.

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Originally Posted by Shippuu

This isn't a hard confirmation because such things can exist for the sake of keeping the code consistent to prevent other issues down the line. Without seeing how other gender coding works for restricting gender locked clothes etc, it may be necessary for both gender coding to exist even if only one will be used. It provides evidence that it may not be genderlocked, but it's hard from an actual confirmation.

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Except this reasoning also throws into doubt Hrothgar. Meaning, why code for male female of somethign that is clearly gender locked and may not be in the game, much like why code for another race that is also gender locked and may or may not be in the game. It stands to reason that if you count Hrothgar as being somethign in the game because it was written in that coding, then it stands to reason that Male Viera would also based on the same evidence. If we say there is no conclusive evidence for male Viera, even if the coding is there, we can say the same for Hrothgar. You cant separate those two things from the same thread of logic. So either the code is evidence of two races with 2 genders, or it's evidence of neither and speculation.

Considering what we have already seen, what people have been demanding, why it would be an unwise move on the developers part from both a marketing and PR standpoint, there's a lot going in favor of there being male Viera, and by that extension, a second race named Hrothgar (if we consider the leaks true).

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Originally Posted by Shippuu

That NPC giving us lore about male viera also uses very strong language pointing to their exclusion rather than inclusion. Statements such as "don't go looking for them, you'll just end up disappointed" and "to us, they simply do not exist to us" paint a pretty strong picture against them, regardless of fluff about their role in viera society.

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I posted this in another thread but Ill post it here too because its relevant. The lore discussing viera happens in a 24 man raid, not MSQ. This distinction is important because while the lore is cannon, it is not mainstream. Meaning, players may not see ANY of the lore involved that is discussed if they skip the 24 man.

Furthermore, if we take the leaks at face value and things are being retconned or added into older content, it is quite easy for SE to say "In the past, itd be rare to see a Male Viera" and put that into the dialogue. More so, from a lore stand point its easy to include their participation:

- FFXIV MSQ stuff Happens.
- Male Viera: Oh hey, we should probably help handle this cause it affects us too ultimately.
- Everyone else: Oh Snaps! Look at all these male Viera come out of the wood works to do plot things for plot reasons.
- Game goes on never really stopping to talk about why the male viera are out and about now any further.


It really isnt hard to add this to lore, and it does zero in changing the old lore. It just changes the expectations of a small group of fans who are more in line with "This FFXIV game has to be exactly in line with FFXII and Tactics! So No male Viera!"

heres a completely absurd thought, the males only show up in the village every 5 or so years right? if the refugees come to eorzea several several years after the last meet but before the next one comes, the unclaimed jacks that come with would by definition remain unclaimed and therefore... male viera in eorzea

Quest dialogue often changes if you get far ahead enough in the MSQ, and there is evidence that they could go back and add in dialogue lines specific to Viera and Hrothgar. I remember when I did the Bard and White Mage job quests there were a few lines that implied they were taking place after having liberated Ala Migho. Another thing to note is in the Monster Hunter crossover the talking cat does make fun of you if you speak to him as a Miqote.

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Originally Posted by Astarotha

heres a completely absurd thought, the males only show up in the village every 5 or so years right? if the refugees come to eorzea several several years after the last meet but before the next one comes, the unclaimed jacks that come with would by definition remain unclaimed and therefore... male viera in eorzea

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That, or the playable male Viera got fed up with how their society as a whole is structured and decided to leave the woods in the same way female Viera do. Since their lot in life is so much harder, it would make sense for them want to get even further away from the woods and Dalmasca, where they might be looked down upon by female Viera. They'll probably have escaped north through Garlemald or Yanxia, or however it is that Au Ra players arrive in Eorzea. They could have also been born completely outside of the woods in another part of the world by two Viera who both left together. Endless possibilities.

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

- FFXIV MSQ stuff Happens.
- Male Viera: Oh hey, we should probably help handle this cause it affects us too ultimately.
- Everyone else: Oh Snaps! Look at all these male Viera come out of the wood works to do plot things for plot reasons.
- Game goes on never really stopping to talk about why the male viera are out and about now any further.

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But why make the Veria males so extreme, the lore they have given makes the the male Viera sound very feral and given there extreme and murderous xenophobia I'm guess them coming out will end pretty badly for everyone

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Originally Posted by Lauront

The only way they could get around that one is by having only the young boys in the villages survive. It'd be a pretty awful way to handle it, though. And it'd still cripple the Viera population until they matured.

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Would the even be able to bounce back? It's unlikely that theres a whole lot of boys in the village to start out with considering the with the 1/5 birthrate, and then they'd have to deal with the 1/5 chance at having a son per birth once they did mature :o

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

But why make the Veria males so extreme, the lore they have given makes the the male Viera sound very feral and given there extreme and murderous xenophobia I'm guess them coming out will end pretty badly for everyone

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They are trained to fiercely defend the woods. Its not like they're cabalistic or line pikes with heads.