SE Banning players with large amounts of gil?

i spend a lot of time in crafting , while my whole guild was playing the action classes and make raids etc. my plan was to play first the crafting/economic simulation and i was one of the first 50 crafter on the server. i had 40/40 auction nearly all the time on the market, when someone buy something i replenish direct again from 39 to 40. every player could afford my items from 2k up to 13k per item i made 2,75mio Gil in hundreds of auctions.

And now i get banned for crafting and selling my products? cmon this is the actual game mechanic PLUS taking all the GIL this is shameless, a punch in the face for the customer.

1. the hundreds items that i sell are still in the ownership from the player but my gil is gone (take the items away!!! that i can sell them again)
2. i lost one week in the market dominance, now are many crafter on my level and i cant make the same price
3. i cant sell twice the same Necklace (for example) to the same player the market is more well-fed.

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Originally Posted by Toddmounts69

I have over 12 Million gil and i did it with my GSM but i wasnt touched. Hows that work. Im sure they looked at my log and notice thousands of sales on the market :p Dont get how "Innocent" people are getting thier gold removed.

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Did you have over 10mil on the 27th of September?

Was is all "on hand" on your main character? or was it in retainers/on alts?

Bumpity bump until the end of days for justice.

Bump - in hopes of an Official reply.

Looks like the other post was taken down, do we see an official reply anywhere to go along with that or are they just censoring us now?

It seems they deleted my upvoted posts as well that were describing their actions. So yeah, they are censoring what we have to say now as I didn't say anything against the rules.

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Originally Posted by KokonoeAiyoko

It seems they deleted my upvoted posts as well that were describing their actions. So yeah, they are censoring what we have to say now as I didn't say anything against the rules.

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That is very scary.

Wow they removed the other thread before replying or anything? They are seriously trying to keep this quiet to hide their misdeeds?

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Originally Posted by Jacotto

What was the content? Only six posts were deleted according to the list of topics, and mine appear to all be intact.

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I explained (with logic I might add) the situation and how players who were confirmed as innocent were being punished like they were guilty. I also mentioned that these people should be compensated since they lost both the gil they had and the items they sold by looking at their history.

I tried to keep that as brief as possible as I'm wary they might delete my posts once more.

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Originally Posted by KokonoeAiyoko

I explained (with logic I might add) the situation and how players who were confirmed as innocent were being punished like they were guilty. I also mentioned that these people should be compensated since they lost both the gil they had and the items they sold by looking at their history.

I tried to keep that as brief as possible as I'm wary they might delete my posts once more.

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Can you repost because I missed it?

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Originally Posted by Jennica

Can you repost because I missed it?

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It wouldn't be wise for me to repost something they deleted. I think that message is clear.

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Originally Posted by KokonoeAiyoko

It seems they deleted my upvoted posts as well that were describing their actions. So yeah, they are censoring what we have to say now as I didn't say anything against the rules.

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welcome to the wonderful world of SE, you should feel honored that they allow you to pay them to play their game
be thankful that they don't do anything that makes sense because that would cause a paradox in space time

Deleting an entire thread... not even closing it, or picking out toxic/tangential posts. Just outright removing discussion. What a dangerous precedent. And not even a minimal explanation as to why, or a sentence saying "this thread is being removed."

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Originally Posted by YuriRamona

Deleting an entire thread... not even closing it, or picking out toxic/tangential posts. Just outright removing discussion. What a dangerous precedent. And not even a minimal explanation as to why, or a sentence saying "this thread is being removed."

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"Where they have burned [threads], they will end in burning [customers]..."

This time the order was reversed, though.

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Originally Posted by YuriRamona

Deleting an entire thread... not even closing it, or picking out toxic/tangential posts. Just outright removing discussion. What a dangerous precedent. And not even a minimal explanation as to why, or a sentence saying "this thread is being removed."

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Why am I not surprised? Oh wait...

I'm still curious why you would continue to play if you are innocent. As I said in that last thread, I would not play this game anymore if they did this to me and I was innocent.


Honestly y'all make no sense to me.

These Devs are pathetic. Obviously the people who had their gil removed aren't cheaters otherwise the Devs would have banned them. Don't they have a zero tolerance policy? No matter though, as long as they still get their monthly subs it's all good. They can even call players who subscribe cheaters without any evidence. I didn't have any gil removed but I usually get pretty upset when someone accuses me of something I didn't do. I can't imagine how angry I'd be if I was also paying the person who accused me of something.

If you had your gil removed, don't resub. There's no reason to pay a company that doesn't respect you. I myself am probably not resubbing until 2.1 or 2.2 because IMO the game is incomplete. I'd rather not pay full price for an incomplete game.

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Originally Posted by Bane766

I'm still curious why you would continue to play if you are innocent. As I said in that last thread, I would not play this game anymore if they did this to me and I was innocent.


Honestly y'all make no sense to me.

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I wouldn't assume everyone is still planning to pay for next month's sub just because we are on here trying to [unsuccessfully] resolve this. Also, the people who are being unfairly punished here are the people who invested the most time into the game, compared to casual players. If I played casually and this happened, quitting would be a more simple choice. When you invest a month of time into the game, it draws out a little more passion if that's all taken away. Does that make sense?

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Originally Posted by Bane766

I'm still curious why you would continue to play if you are innocent. As I said in that last thread, I would not play this game anymore if they did this to me and I was innocent.


Honestly y'all make no sense to me.

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Don't worry about me, I cancelled everything. Just suck to do that after doing a "marathon" to rush miner to 50 and make money for housing

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Originally Posted by funkin

I wouldn't assume everyone is still planning to pay for next month's sub just because we are on here trying to [unsuccessfully] resolve this. Also, the people who are being unfairly punished here are the people who invested the most time into the game, compared to casual players. If I played casually and this happened, quitting would be a more simple choice. When you invest a month of time into the game, it draws out a little more passion if that's all taken away. Does that make sense?

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Oh I understand the whining about it. If what you say is true, I'd be pissed as hell. But yeah, I would not play this game ever again if I was treated like that.

I said to those people who are still playing I find it curious-if you would play after something like this, it makes me doubt you are innocent.

Haven't read through this thread but have to voice my support. If it's true that people are being banned simply because they had the bad luck to have a gil seller/buyer purchase their items on the Market Board, it's completely unacceptable. It would mean that essentially every time you put something up on the Market Board, something I would assume Square-Enix would want to encourage, you are rolling the dice on a possibility that you could be banned.

Assuming the fact that nobody can honestly say "i didn't know" about the RMT spamming, if people on non-legacy servers begin to sell goods at exorbitant prices (unless you buy gils), and if they succeed to sell them at such prices, seriously, i can't imagine one second they didn't think they probably had business with someone who had illicit gil.

I think they fully understood the situation, but they didn't care at all. They were only interested in their profits, not in the "healthy economic model".
Not buying gils but gladly accepting them from players who bought them from the RMT... don't play innocent afterwards, buying gils with real money is prohibited, as well as fencing.

Sure RMT spamming is a nuisance, sure you can't prevent people from buying gils (but they soon get their account hacked as a reward, let that be a lesson for them).
But if people begin to lower their prices, to an affordable extent, then people wouldn't even think about buying gils.

Guys, don't support this game. I've been 'suspended' due to my account being compromised since September 11th and they're still 'investigating'. Talk about not wanting to keep customers. Now you all know why Square Enix keeps on posting losses quarter after quarter.

Do you believe these people? I don't I bet they bought the gil or hacked it from the game. Of course they won't admit what weasels they are.

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Originally Posted by Kurauk

Do you believe these people? I don't I bet they bought the gil or hacked it from the game. Of course they won't admit what weasels they are.

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The forum trolling began about 58 pages ago, it's not witty anymore.

Quit deleting threads and answer for your crimes against humanity! *Torch and pitchfork in hand*

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Originally Posted by Xtah

Assuming the fact that nobody can honestly say "i didn't know" about the RMT spamming, if people on non-legacy servers begin to sell goods at exorbitant prices (unless you buy gils), and if they succeed to sell them at such prices, seriously, i can't imagine one second they didn't think they probably had business with someone who had illicit
Not buying gils but gladly accepting them from players who bought them from the RMT... don't play innocent afterwards, buying gils with real money is prohibited, as well as fencing.

Sure RMT spamming is a nuisance, sure you can't prevent people from buying gils (but they soon get their account hacked as a reward, let that be a lesson for them).
But if people begin to lower their prices, to an affordable extent, then people wouldn't even think about buying gils.

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Whao there is a function in marketboards that allows you to choose the buyer you want to sell to?

Just targeting people with a lot of money would not be a wise decision. They have log files to track down where money came from. I expect they are targeting these players and then checking log files before they do anything. They know how the gold sellers are and if they track them back to something like that, then they will hand out punishment.

What they need to do is have a faster means of getting rid of gold spammers. I still have spammers blacklisted with names like fxfxfxfx fxghfx that aren't deleted yet and they've been on my list for a long time.

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Originally Posted by Xtah

Assuming the fact that nobody can honestly say "i didn't know" about the RMT spamming, if people on non-legacy servers begin to sell goods at exorbitant prices (unless you buy gils), and if they succeed to sell them at such prices, seriously, i can't imagine one second they didn't think they probably had business with someone who had illicit gil.

I think they fully understood the situation, but they didn't care at all. They were only interested in their profits, not in the "healthy economic model".
Not buying gils but gladly accepting them from players who bought them from the RMT... don't play innocent afterwards, buying gils with real money is prohibited, as well as fencing.

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How about before you come here crying over high item costs you look up the ingredients first.

The only 'expensive' items in this game are ilvl 70 ones. They will NEVER be sold for 25k or whatever you think is reasonable because the ingredients are unreal. Ignoring all the other materials needed to make a lvl 70 ring, you still need 18 items only attainable through tombstones. Coke, Lime Sulphur, Animal Fat, etc. which cost 125 tombstones a piece.

To HQ one of these items 80%+ of the time you need a full set of best-in-slot crafting gear. You need to dump 150k minimum worth of materia into that gear (300-500+ is ideal). You need at least 6 crafting classes at lvl 15 and 2-4 at lvl 50 for the necessary cross-class abilities.

Once you've done all that you have to acquire 18 of those wonderful ingredients totaling 2250 tombstones for a shot at making ONE lvl 70 ring. Nobody is going to sell those ingredients for 1k or even 10k, because 125 tombstones take a significant chunk of time to farm.



So before you whine about greedy crafters selling HQ lvl 70 equipment for 2 million gil trying to rob you blind, remember that it cost them 1.5 million+ to even attempt to make it. When he sells it he has already made a few million himself so he knows it's entirely possible for others to have similar amounts.

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Originally Posted by Bane766

Oh I understand the whining about it. If what you say is true, I'd be pissed as hell. But yeah, I would not play this game ever again if I was treated like that.

I said to those people who are still playing I find it curious-if you would play after something like this, it makes me doubt you are innocent.

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I feel a fool for continuing to play after this.

But my wife likes the game and would also quit if I did.

Plus I like my FC and the people on my friends list.

I will keep fighting to have my account investigated by a human, I want my gil back.

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Originally Posted by Xtah

Assuming the fact that nobody can honestly say "i didn't know" about the RMT spamming, if people on non-legacy servers begin to sell goods at exorbitant prices (unless you buy gils), and if they succeed to sell them at such prices, seriously, i can't imagine one second they didn't think they probably had business with someone who had illicit gil.

I think they fully understood the situation, but they didn't care at all. They were only interested in their profits, not in the "healthy economic model".
Not buying gils but gladly accepting them from players who bought them from the RMT... don't play innocent afterwards, buying gils with real money is prohibited, as well as fencing..

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I can't tell if you "trolling" or being serious, if it's the latter I'm afraid you don't have a clue and have not read any of this thread.

People made a large amount of gil by selling fairly cheap items in mass (2k-50k).

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Originally Posted by Xtah

But if people begin to lower their prices, to an affordable extent, then people wouldn't even think about buying gils.

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A load of rubbish, prices were and always are based on demand.

If we put things cheaper, they would simply sell faster than people could make them, I know because I was pricing things cheap and could not make them fast enough.

Even if people could fix prices lower, gil buyers (lazy players) would still be buying gil.

This is working as intended. Move along people.

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Originally Posted by Xtah

But if people begin to lower their prices, to an affordable extent, then people wouldn't even think about buying gils.

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I don't know about your server, but on Ultros, prices of 2-stars have always been related to the price of Tomestone matts. You guys want us to stop charging 500k for HQ 2-stars? Stop charging 40-50k a piece for potash, coke, etc. We didn't level our crafting classes to give away our services to the server. Remember that question in the beginning of the game that asked us what we wanted in life? Remember the option that said "I want to make money"? No? Apparently Square-Enix doesn't remember putting that in either.

Also got the run-around again today when contacting GMs. Have escalated to asking for a senior GM

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Originally Posted by GM

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Originally Posted by Kurauk

Do you believe these people? I don't I bet they bought the gil or hacked it from the game. Of course they won't admit what weasels they are.

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Going to get flamed for this but this is probably true. My time with MMOs over the years has taught me many things, one being when people are caught cheating or doing something ban worthy they will play the helpless victim and complain how the big bad GMs unfairly banned them and try and get people on the forums to feel sorry for them. There are probably innocents that have been caught up for this and you have my sympathy but i would say at the very least half of you are lying and just playing the victim.

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Originally Posted by Ispen

Going to get flamed for this but this is probably true. My time with MMOs over the years has taught me many things, one being when people are caught cheating or doing something ban worthy they will play the helpless victim and complain how the big bad GMs unfairly banned them and try and get people on the forums to feel sorry for them. There are probably innocents that have been caught up for this and you have my sympathy but i would say at the very least half of you are lying and just playing the victim.

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We're not asking for your opinion, we're asking for an official response from Square-Enix. Thank you for your concern.

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Originally Posted by Tarubaby

We're not asking for your opinion, we're asking for an official response from Square-Enix. Thank you for your concern.

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The proud order of the white knights, can't stop them.

I am in contact with the gaming press about this. Post your stories here:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...20#post1395520

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Originally Posted by Tarubaby

We're not asking for your opinion, we're asking for an official response from Square-Enix. Thank you for your concern.

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Regardless of how people feel about SE's action and the legitimacy of the suspended players' concerns, everyone should be demanding transparency from the people who have power to edit and develop the game they devote themselves to.

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Originally Posted by Kurauk

Do you believe these people? I don't I bet they bought the gil or hacked it from the game. Of course they won't admit what weasels they are.

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Yea, the people deemed innocent of all wrongdoing (ie: BUYING GIL) by SE themselves were punished for buying gil. That makes total sense. Why didn't we think of that before?!

Bump, stop letting your players bicker with one another while you cower and hide like a small child that won't admit it's wrong doing. "Did you break the lamp SE?" "*Shakes head and hides under blankets for over a week hoping the lamp magically is forgotten about.*

Would still like to hear from a Community Rep regarding this please...