Asmongold on NSFW mods

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

"For the children"

Has been a BS argument used by self righteous moral busy-bodies for many decades.


It's wasn't valid when radio first appeared and it's not valid now. It's just a weak attempt at emotional manipulation.

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In this scenario is valid, since according to SE, children are allowed in. Just because is "the internet" you are not allow to do whatever. I will repeat myself: some are acting like FFXIV is the same as a Private ERP server from X game, they are not, and people should not behave the same way in both.

Well, ERP and mods are not public visible.

Because all NSFW stuff happens outside the game or in private rooms/private chat, people should mind their own business.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

In this scenario is valid, since according to SE, children are allowed in. Just because is "the internet" you are not allow to do whatever. I will repeat myself: some are acting like FFXIV is the same as a Private ERP server from X game, they are not, and people should not behave the same way in both.

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Not only that but literally (almost) no ERP roleplayer etc. seems to be bothered enough to even ask for any age identification. They are literally doing highly illegal stuff everyday, day in day out, and they don't even care. Dunno how much mental gymnastics it needs to defend such stuff but yeah...it's really crazy. It's your responsibility as an adult to watch out that you don't stick your digital sausage into underaged players.

Mods are ofc not the problem but rather the light to which all the moths are drawn.

And yes, sure. Save the children is a kinda stupid argument, they will come into contact with "bad" stuff anyways. What i am more concerned about here is how accepted literal sexting between minors and adults is in this community. This shit is illegal in probably every country this game is available in. And heck, as a ERP roleplayer i would be concerned af with which people i roleplay, i bet some are. But thousands are not and just stick their digital sausage everywhere and in my opinion they should be punished for it.

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Originally Posted by Caitlyn

Well, ERP and mods are not public visible.

Because all NSFW stuff happens outside the game or in private rooms/private chat, people should mind their own business.

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Oh, sure! So sexting between minors and adults is good cause it happens where nobody can see it. Gotcha! Great morals you have there.

Wonder if that would work also irl, just molesting a child where nobody can see it! That would make it ok, right? Right?!

Please never become a lawyer, your defense is really bad.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Oh, sure! So sexting between minors and adults is good cause it happens where nobody can see it. Gotcha! Great morals you have there.

Wonder if that would work also irl, just molesting a child where nobody can see it! That would make it ok, right? Right?!

Please never become a lawyer, your defense is really bad.

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Did I said something about minors or child molesting? Why do you think about children when it comes to NSFW? What is wrong with you? Get some help.

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Originally Posted by Caitlyn

Did I said something about minors or child molesting? Why do you think about children when it comes to NSFW? What is wrong with you? Get some help.

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Your Uno reverse card is also expired. You talk about about private rooms and how we shouldn't bother to care, hm? And weird how defensive you get after being called out for it. You have something to hide? xD

You know this game is rated 13+, yeah? Children are playing it. People don't bother to confirm the age of the people they drag into your so called "private rooms". Think about that, lol.

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Originally Posted by Alaray

i dont stand corrected.

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did I try to correct you? nah, I just disagreed

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Your Uno reverse card is also expired. You talk about about private rooms and how we shouldn't bother to care, hm? And weird how defensive you get after being called out for it. You have something to hide? xD

You know this game is rated 13+, yeah? Children are playing it. People don't bother confirming the age of the people they drag into your so called "private rooms". Think about that, lol.

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Defensive? You re accusing me for something I never said. And I have something to hide? Why dont you tell me? If we re doing some kind of your personal RP here, I have to know which role I have to play.

Oh I get it! You re into me! The dark lalafell with horns and the pale Au Ra with wings. Thats some kind of devil x angel relationship RP where both a fighting first against eachother and then fell in love, which is forbidden by rules and stuff.

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Originally Posted by Caitlyn

Defensive? You re accusing me for something I never said. And I have something to hide? Why dont you tell me? If we re doing some kind of your personal RP here, I have to know which role I have to play.

Oh I get it! You re into me! The dark lalafell with horns and the pale Au Ra with wings. Thats some kind of devil x angel relationship RP where both a fighting first against eachother and then fell in love, which is forbidden by rules and stuff.

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Not gonna lie, that answer was funny! You get a like from me and now i will...steal your glam! Time for pvp!

And i do get you, i guess you mean stuff that is going on between consenting adults is something we shouldn't care bout and yeah i agree with that.

Oh god i love you Cait xD


But at 75 pages, could we just let this thread finally die? like are the mods even checkin on this or just try to ignore it lol


Still the "BUT the children" argument is really gettin old, like its not like ppl are out there at limsa waiting for innocent little lala to lure them into their private rooms xD

What other ppl do in private should not matter...

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

Oh god i love you Cait xD

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Dont tell me you dressed like a devil/succubus on purpose like the lil demon above you >: 3
Its getting out of hand. Now there is two of them.

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

But at 75 pages, could we just let this thread finally die? like are the mods even checkin on this or just try to ignore it lol

Still the "BUT the children" argument is really gettin old, like its not like ppl are out there at limsa waiting for innocent little lala to lure them into their private rooms xD

What other ppl do in private should not matter...

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I m not sure if this thread is some kind of Dantes Inferno. At some point, it looks like a "Divine Comedy" from here. But it seems, people are stuck between the 2nd (lust) and 5th (wrath) circle of hell, and it goes on and on and on. I mean, the journey isnt over. If you liked that, you will love the last 4. But when it comes to sins, oh hell, I'm a fan of all seven.

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

waiting for innocent little lala to lure them into their private rooms xD

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I understand that reference ; )

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

What other ppl do in private should not matter...

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Eeyup

PS: The lil demon said I was hiding something. Yes I did. I have hide some quotes in this post. Can you find them all?

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

You get a like from me and now i will...steal your glam! Time for pvp!

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We will watch your career with great interest.

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

Still the "BUT the children" argument is really gettin old, like its not like ppl are out there at limsa waiting for innocent little lala to lure them into their private rooms xD

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...and yet that is precisely something that has happened and continues to happen within the FFXIV community. Strangely enough, despite multiple scandals and people in this very thread pointing out that such things have happened to either themselves or people they know, there's major efforts by some individuals made to downplay and obscure that unfortunate fact.

Indeed, the amount of gaslighting and manipulation going on is rather bizarre. There's literally people arguing extensively in favour of exposing minors to NSFW content within this very thread. Including across recent pages and yet we still have people showing up to claim that everything is fine and that it's no big deal.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Well SE said they won't install spysoftware on our pcs cause of legal reasons. Dunno why, maybe such anticheat software that scans your pc is not legal in japan.

Without taking any sides here, i feel bad for the modder. xD She must be hated now by the entire modding scene for putting so much attention onto them.

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well to be fair she could of declined the interview but she wanted that fame due to Asmongold. She reaps what she sews now got no sympathy for her. Rule number keep your mouth shut and things won't happen

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Originally Posted by Caitlyn

Dont tell me you dressed like a devil/succubus on purpose like the lil demon above you >: 3
Its getting out of hand. Now there is two of them.

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I literally wear the same outfit since about the first time we met during 3.3 xD

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I m not sure if this thread is some kind of Dantes Inferno. At some point, it looks like a "Divine Comedy" from here.

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I know i should just walk away from it as its the same as religions where you just cant settle with ppl at all... but its like an car crash, you cant look away lol

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We will watch your career with great interest.

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No... Q_Q

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Originally Posted by Theodric

...and yet that is precisely something that has happened and continues to happen within the FFXIV community.

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Like... you can go with anyone on your own free will and just as easy you can just... leave again? I get that some are easy to manipulate and all but come on, no real harm can be done here and if you still trust ppl too easily its not the games fault... but how you handle media & internet.

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There's literally people arguing extensively in favour of exposing minors to NSFW content within this very thread.

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You sound like ppl went and said lets #### them all >_>
Idk why some ppl only see extremes, its not like "minors" dont look for these kind of things... its pointless to act as if its a mortal sin - as someone who's childhood wasnt exactly a piece of cake I fell there are WAY MORE pressing issues then some horny teen that looks for some save fun in an game.

Violence, murder, all is fun, but dont dare being romantic, dont dare the shy teen might have an way of overcoming problems... sure its better to just let them go straight to [insert random adult video site] for the real stuff...

While being too young maybe, i just cant worry too much about some teens, yet you make it sound like 8-9yo are being exposed here - sure it might happen but thats neither the modders or SE's fault...

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Originally Posted by Driavna

Unless you are assuming all ERP's are a bunch of plonkers that have the self-control of a horny monkey your argument makes no sense to me.


Off late, some are acting like FFXIV is not only +18 but it's also some kind of porn convention and everything goes.

Anyway, I agree with you, parents should be the one's looking out for that kind of stuff the most. So, the ERP community should not have a meltdown is a Tier S Karen report them and they got ban because their behaviour is against the ToS. Or worst, they go to complain somewhere else (mainstream media love this type of "scandals") and SE is force to protect their brand.

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It is not our obligation to take time out of our day to find and or report people that break the ToS. See something, say something is more so a suggestion.

On the other side people also supposedly have reported actions to SE and nothing gets done so it would not surprise me if people just feel reporting is a waste of time.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Your Uno reverse card is also expired. You talk about about private rooms and how we shouldn't bother to care, hm? And weird how defensive you get after being called out for it. You have something to hide? xD

You know this game is rated 13+, yeah? Children are playing it. People don't bother to confirm the age of the people they drag into your so called "private rooms". Think about that, lol.

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I am not into ERP do people legit as others to show their ID to people online? Only way I can see to confirm someone's age or is it more of an honor system kind of thing?

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Oh, sure! So sexting between minors and adults is good cause it happens where nobody can see it. Gotcha! Great morals you have there.

Wonder if that would work also irl, just molesting a child where nobody can see it! That would make it ok, right? Right?!

Please never become a lawyer, your defense is really bad.

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I'm not sure what any of this has to do with NSFW mods or ERP.

If someone in those communities does something bad you remove/arrest that someone; you don't excise the entire community.

It's like saying violent, competitive games where players kill each other shouldn't exist because they might attract sociopaths. Dating apps might attract perverts, predators. What's available to adults shouldn't have to be built entirely around the existence of crazy people and children.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

I'm not sure what any of this has to do with NSFW mods or ERP.

If someone in those communities does something bad you remove/arrest that someone; you don't excise the entire community.

It's like saying violent, competitive games where players kill each other shouldn't exist because they might attract sociopaths. Dating apps might attract perverts, predators. What's available to adults shouldn't have to be built entirely around the existence of crazy people and children.

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To be fair did have a therapist tell me not to play games like GTA due to my at the time borderline ASPD assessment when I was younger. Even now many of my therapist are stuck in the dark ages and are not too keen on me engaging with some forms of media and other such as horror films and stuff. Though being as I am an adult not much they can do about it now unlike when I was a child they had my mother's support.

So many might be in favor of such things.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

I'm not sure what any of this has to do with NSFW mods or ERP.

If someone in those communities does something bad you remove/arrest that someone; you don't excise the entire community.

It's like saying violent, competitive games where players kill each other shouldn't exist because they might attract sociopaths. Dating apps might attract perverts, predators. What's available to adults shouldn't have to be built entirely around the existence of crazy people and children.

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People have claimed in the past that you cannot tell who is a minor in ERP, when people asked what ERPers can do to prevent accidental interactions with a minor. It's basically a stonewall people put up saying 'nope, we won't do it and we don't care if minors get involved.' It's the stonewall behavior that creates the tension.

Those dating apps exist for the purpose of being a dating service. FFXIV does not exist as a dating service or a porn game. That is not the intended purpose. Real roleplay, adventuring, exploring, raiding, pvping,* crafting, gathering, decorating, glamouring, etc... there are so many thing FFXIV is a game for.

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

People have claimed in the past that you cannot tell who is a minor in ERP, when people asked what ERPers can do to prevent accidental interactions with a minor. It's basically a stonewall people put up saying 'nope, we won't do it and we don't care if minors get involved.' It's the stonewall behavior that creates the tension.

Those dating apps exist for the purpose of being a dating service. FFXIV does not exist as a dating service or a porn game. That is not the intended purpose. Real roleplay, adventuring, exploring, raiding, pvping,* crafting, gathering, decorating, glamouring, etc... there are so many thing FFXIV is a game for.

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Legit what could be done regarding minors and ERP? Not like photoshopping an ID is difficult or simplying lying about ones age. I would not say it is stone wall behavior more so what do people expect others to do? The burden should be on the parents to watch their kids not the other way around.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Legit what could be done regarding minors and ERP? Not like photoshopping an ID is difficult or simplying lying about ones age. I would not say it is stone wall behavior more so what do people expect others to do? The burden should be on the parents to watch their kids not the other way around.

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The last part is not going to work that way in most places. If something happen and authorities get involved the adult is the one responsible, no matter if the child lies or whatever.

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

People have claimed in the past that you cannot tell who is a minor in ERP, when people asked what ERPers can do to prevent accidental interactions with a minor. It's basically a stonewall people put up saying 'nope, we won't do it and we don't care if minors get involved.' It's the stonewall behavior that creates the tension.

Those dating apps exist for the purpose of being a dating service. FFXIV does not exist as a dating service or a porn game. That is not the intended purpose. Real roleplay, adventuring, exploring, raiding, pvping,* crafting, gathering, decorating, glamouring, etc... there are so many thing FFXIV is a game for.

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Of course they say they won't do it. Because what could be done about it?

Everytime you visit an 18+ website, do they ask you to immediately email a copy of your driver's license to prove you're over 18 before letting you access said content?
When you create an account on youtube, does it ask you to verify you're over 13 by uploading a copy of your birth certificate?
Before you hit enter on your google search of 'naked Latinas' with safesearch off on the images tab, does Google do anything to confirm you're over 18?

And these are million/billion/trillion dollar corporations that could easily implement some sophisticated system if they so desire, but don't. If they aren't doing it, do you really expect a community of individuals to do so, or even a much smaller company like Square Enix?

The reality is, kids, teens, etc will always lie and get into stuff they shouldn't be, especially in this day and age. Trying to police such things would be a huge invasion of privacy bordering on 1984 territory, or be totally ineffective at their job. With how easy it is to get access to 18+ materials in literally 5 seconds with Google, it's entirely on the parents to be the dam that prevents their kids from seeing or experiencing things that the parent doesn't desire for them to be seeing or interacting with. Adults will be Adults, and adult activities will always occur in any online social setting, even if it's behind closed doors. If something arises, then the courts deal with it, but it's still equally a failure on the parent for letting their kid reach the point where something did arise.

When I look after my nephew, I have a remote connection window open on my computer that lets me monitor his website choices and make sure he's not up to anything suspicious. If he ever gets involved with an Adult, it's certainly not on my watch.

I also like how you say 'real' roleplay.

act out or perform the part of a person or character, for example as a technique in training or psychotherapy. - definition of roleplay, Google, 2021.

ERP seems like pretty real roleplay, acting out the role of another person or character, only in ways that you don't like; yet the character interactions are still as real as adventure RP. Or are you trying to imply that characters in fiction never do the dirty deed? Next you're gonna tell me Erotic Novels aren't real books compared to the grand fantasy adventures of Harry Potter or Lord of the rings, despite Erotica taking up an entire shelf at my local Barnes & Noble.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

The last part is not going to work that way in most places. If something happen and authorities get involved the adult is the one responsible, no matter if the child lies or whatever.

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As mentioned I said it should but yeah that is not how it is. Point remains remains that parents should be more active in monitoring what their children do online. Though the reality is the grounds of what do people expect parents to do is a valid stance for many but when the same is said regarding people online at that point it is wrong.

Sort of strange how strangers have more responsibilities towards the actions of a child in certain context then the parents.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Legit what could be done regarding minors and ERP? Not like photoshopping an ID is difficult or simplying lying about ones age. I would not say it is stone wall behavior more so what do people expect others to do? The burden should be on the parents to watch their kids not the other way around.

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You are legally and morally responsible. It's not a game player responsibility, since the devs don't even want players ERPing. It is an adult responsibility.

Also a teen getting onto an adult website by lying is not the same as someone EEPing with a teen directly.

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

It's not a game player responsibility, since the devs don't even want players ERPing.

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....*looks at lala /playdead* *looks at some poses/dances* *looks at some npc/dialogues*...

Sure, totally not lol

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

You are legally and morally responsible. It's not a game player responsibility, since the devs don't even want players ERPing. It is an adult responsibility.

Also a teen getting onto an adult website by lying is not the same as someone EEPing with a teen directly.

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Question remains in what way can a person be a 100% certain? I do not ERP but I am drawing a blank as to what could honestly be done on a personal level to prevent minors from partaking in ERP.

Unless you are saying we should all have to create a accounts using SSN or something along those lines?

As mentioned it is not stonewalling more so what can be done? I get it is rough but it should go both ways in terms of responsibility not just on one party.

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

....*looks at lala /playdead* *looks at some poses/dances* *looks at some npc/dialogues*...

Sure, totally not lol

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*Looks at the actual in-game courtesan NPCs*

Sure, Square may not officially sanction ERPing, but if one is to RP in Eorzea, the adult life is very much a thing established by in-lore precedent lol.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Question remains in what way can a person be a 100% certain? I do not ERP but I am drawing a blank as to what could honestly be done on a personal level to prevent minors from partaking in ERP.

Unless you are saying we should all have to create a accounts using SSN or something along those lines?

As mentioned it is not stonewalling more so what can be done? I get it is rough but it should go both ways in terms of responsibility not just on one party.

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That's the thing. If you cannot be certain, then you should not be doing it. That is why it is a stonewall. You can take measures. You just don't want to do so, so you claim nothing can be done about it.

There is something I have said in another thread, and I will say something similar here. If the idea that you couldn't know if the person you were ERPing with was an adult or not does not make your skin crawl, that is a red flag.

Also mentions of sexual activity in game is not the same thing as actual sexual activity.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Question remains in what way can a person be a 100% certain? I do not ERP but I am drawing a blank as to what could honestly be done on a personal level to prevent minors from partaking in ERP.

Unless you are saying we should all have to create a accounts using SSN or something along those lines?

As mentioned it is not stonewalling more so what can be done? I get it is rough but it should go both ways in terms of responsibility not just on one party.

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The ToS have made it clear that minors can play this game and that by agreeing to the ToS will behave with this in mind so you should not be ERPing in this game at all.

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

People have claimed in the past that you cannot tell who is a minor in ERP, when people asked what ERPers can do to prevent accidental interactions with a minor. It's basically a stonewall people put up saying 'nope, we won't do it and we don't care if minors get involved.' It's the stonewall behavior that creates the tension.

Those dating apps exist for the purpose of being a dating service. FFXIV does not exist as a dating service or a porn game. That is not the intended purpose. Real roleplay, adventuring, exploring, raiding, pvping,* crafting, gathering, decorating, glamouring, etc... there are so many thing FFXIV is a game for.

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If minors lie about their age to engage in online activities they're not supposed to that's not our problem as a community, the ENTIRETY of the responsibility for that rests with the parents of that minor. As a community we're only ethically obligated to address elements that are SPECIFICALLY targeting children.

FFXIV exists as a roleplaying experience. ERP and ALL mods are a natural extension of that, but I'm not even saying that SE has to allow any of it. If people participate in these things and get caught then any ban is justified, but morally it's no different than using a parser. Just be quiet about it.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

If minors lie about their age to engage in online activities they're not supposed that's not our problem as a community, the ENTIRETY of the responsibility for that rests with the parents of that minor. As a community we're only morally obligated to remove elements from any community that are SPECIFICALLY targeting children.

FFXIV exists as a roleplaying experience. ERP and ALL mods are a natural extension of that, but I'm not even saying that SE has to allow any of it. If people participate in these things and get caught then any ban is justified, but morally it's no different than using a parser. Just be quiet about it.

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The game and devs have made it very clear you should not engaging in ERP as players might be minors it rests entirely on the player.
It's very different to a parse as you could be doing some very illegal unless you know the person you are doing it with

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

If minors lie about their age to engage in online activities they're not supposed to that's not our problem as a community, the ENTIRETY of the responsibility for that rests with the parents of that minor. As a community we're only ethically obligated to address elements that are SPECIFICALLY targeting children.

FFXIV exists as a roleplaying experience. ERP and ALL mods are a natural extension of that, but I'm not even saying that SE has to allow any of it. If people participate in these things and get caught then any ban is justified, but morally it's no different than using a parser. Just be quiet about it.

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Teens playing a teen game is not the parent's fault. Stop using that as an excuse.

ERPing with a teen is sexual offender territory not so with using a parser.

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

The game and devs have made it very clear you should not engaging in ERP as players might be minors it rests entirely on the player.

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The responsibility for breaking the rules of the game is on the player, and like I said any resulting ban would be justified; same as using a parser. The responsibility for that minor is entirely on his parents, though; SE's policies can't/don't make us responsible for other peoples children.

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

Teens playing a teen game is not the parent's fault. Stop using that as an excuse.

ERPing with a teen is sexual offender territory not so with using a parser.

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Teens lying online in order to engage in adult activities with adults is absolutely their parents fault. Any competent parent should realize adults play these games, and if parents want their kids playing games online with adults it should be under their supervision.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

The responsibility for breaking the rules of the game is on the player, and like I said any resulting ban would be justified; same as using a parser. The responsibility for that minor is entirely on his parents, though; SE's policies can't/don't make us responsible for other peoples children.

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The law makes you responsible. You are also an adult and being an adult still counts in a video game.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

Teens lying online in order to engage in adult activities with adults is absolutely their parents fault. Any competent parent should realize adults play these games, and if they want their kids playing games online with adults online it should be under their supervision.

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I hate to break it to you, but a teen doesn't always does what a parent asks them to do. No, a parent should not have to watch their kid play an adventure game. It's passing the blame from the sex offender to other people.

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

That's the thing. If you cannot be certain, then you should not be doing it. That is why it is a stonewall. You can take measures. You just don't want to do so, so you claim nothing can be done about it.

There is something I have said in another thread, and I will say something similar here. If the idea that you couldn't know if the person you were ERPing with was an adult or not does not make your skin crawl, that is a red flag.

Also mentions of sexual activity in game is not the same thing as actual sexual activity.

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Never said it was in terms of sexual actively. Online interactions are normally not rated.

It is not stonewalling cause the measures we can take largely revolve around just not taking part in a valid form of RP and entertainment because parents are unable or unwilling to properly monitor or restricted intent access of their children.

It just makes so sense to me that it is okay to tell strangers to do not engage in an activity that is a valid from of RP because the possibility of minors being engaged is possible but telling parents if they are worried about such things then do not let your kid play the game is going too far.

Point remains if strangers have to be wary of their actions and if cannot be certain then should abstain from taking part why can the same not be said for parents with their kids?

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

Teens lying online in order to engage in adult activities with adults is absolutely their parents fault. Any competent parent should realize adults play these games, and if parents want their kids playing games online with adults it should be under their supervision.

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The point is this game is suppose to be safe the minors as all players have agreed to behave in way the reasonable person would find acceptable around minors if you can't do that you shouldn't be playing the game. Any competent player should know minors can play the game and behave accordingly.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Never said it was in terms of sexual actively. Online interactions are normally not rated.

It is not stonewalling cause the measures we can take largely revolve around just not taking part in a valid form of RP and entertainment because parents are unable or unwilling to properly monitor or restricted intent access of their children.

It just makes so sense to me that it is okay to tell strangers to do not engage in an activity that is a valid from of RP because the possibility of minors being engaged is possible but telling parents if they are worried about such things then do not let your kid play the game is going too far.

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In the context of this game it is not valid as you've been told not to do it

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

The law makes you responsible. You are also an adult and being an adult still counts in a video game.



I hate to break it to you, but a teen doesn't always does what a parent asks them to do. No, a parent should not have to watch their kid play an adventure game. It's passing the blame from the sex offender to other people.

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Cite once instance where an adult was convicted for strictly text interaction with someone who lied about being an adult? There's never been any legal obligation to verify the age of people you interact with online; if someone in a chat room says they're 24 in a verifiable chat log you're in no way responsible if it turns out they were actually 16 and lied in order to engage with you. That's the legal end of this.

Morally, there was no intent to solicit a minor. The only wrong committed was breaking the games ToS, which is the same as using a parser.

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

The point is this game is suppose to be safe the minors as all players have agreed to behave in way the reasonable person would find acceptable around minors if you can't do that you shouldn't be playing the game. Any competent player should know minors can play the game and behave accordingly.

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There's no place online that's 100% safe for minors and there never will be. If parents want to allow their children to interact in online environments that have adults then those parents NEED to be involved.

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

In the context of this game it is not valid as you've been told not to do it

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I stand corrected it is against the TOS. Still the point I was trying to make was we have to be aware that children will lie and on a personal level I do not feel a stranger should be responsible for the actions of a lying child since the intent was not to solicit a minor.

I do feel the responsibility should fall on the parent and child. The parent for not watching their kid which I get is rough and generally an impossible task and the child for being a lying sack of shit 😜.

The stranger in question sure could be viewed as navie but on the same token the same could be said of the parents if they are so concerned for their child's safety then they need to do better to make sure to know what their kid was doing or raise them better. Hell I was scared as shit to get caught lying so I did not lie. Cause I know if I did get caught the benefit would not out way the crime. Old man would make me do the gravy train where I had to hold those large tomatoes cans in both arms extended in horse stance and if I let me elbow relax I would get hit with a stick.

In short yes kids lie but parents need to be stricter with their kids and teach them that lying is not worth it especially if one gets caught by their parents hell will be paid.

What I am saying is as my dad said parenting is rough but it is a 24/7 gig parents do not get breaks cause once you show a moment of weakness it is all over they will walk all over you.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

Cite once instance where an adult was convicted for strictly text interaction with someone who lied about being an adult? There's never been any legal obligation to verify the age of people you interact with online; if someone in a chat room says they're 24 in a chat log you're in no way responsible if it turns out they were actually 16 and lied in order to engage with you. That's the legal end of this.

Morally, there was no intent to solicit a minor. The only wrong committed was breaking the games ToS, which is the same as using a parser.

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Why would i have to cite an instance? The only thing that matter is the actual legal code.

As for the moral aspect, yes it is immoral to ERP with minors. Ignorance is not an excuse. It's not immoral to check your damage in an instance.

Let's put it this way. SE doesn't care to see parsers being used in a stream, but they would care if you were ERPing in one.