M6s in PF is the most miserable and unfun high end fight in the game

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

2nd floors (which M6S is) don't usually drop weapons.

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They kinda do though.
The 2nd floor drops the Universal Tomestone, the item needed for the tomestone weapon, saving you 6 weeks of normal raids and more weapon damage is always a pretty significant dps increase.

Of course it's not literally required to clear, but the additional damage buffer makes it a lot easier, especially in PF where performance fluctuates wildly.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

They kinda do though.
The 2nd floor drops the Universal Tomestone, the item needed for the tomestone weapon, saving you 6 weeks of normal raids and more weapon damage is always a pretty significant dps increase.

Of course it's not literally required to clear, but the additional damage buffer makes it a lot easier, especially in PF where performance fluctuates wildly.

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True. But in any case, the problem solves itself by the 7th week (next week), when people can get the weapon augment without having set food in savage yet - not to mention 7 weeks of tomestone gear. Usually the 7th week you see a massive shift in how the first two floors melt. Which makes all these complaints short-sighted in a way.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

True. But in any case, the problem solves itself by the 7th week (next week), when people can get the weapon augment without having set food in savage yet - not to mention 7 weeks of tomestone gear. Usually the 7th week you see a massive shift in how the first two floors melt. Which makes all these complaints short-sighted in a way.

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7 cruiser holosaber can be exchanged for 1 Universal Tomestone 2.0, which allows for purchase of an unaugmented tome weapon. The Ester for augmentation is exclusively available from m7s, and will only be available through other means late in 7.3, long after the release of 2nd Alliance raid.
Further, even BiS gear will not help groups that are making fundamental mistakes with their cooldown management, positioning, or not healing tanks when they require because somehow GCD casting a heal is worse wiping.

It's a savage tier right? I know I'm new to Savage last tier was my first tier... but like you just got to keep at it and you'll get it.

And yeah not having a static makes PF only just hell... literal hell. But that's like every fight until the fights get out geared.

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Originally Posted by AllenThyl

7 cruiser holosaber can be exchanged for 1 Universal Tomestone 2.0, which allows for purchase of an unaugmented tome weapon.

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That's exactly what I said.

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The Ester for augmentation is exclusively available from m7s, and will only be available through other means late in 7.3, long after the release of 2nd Alliance raid.

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Very true, but the discussion was about how the unaugmented tome weapon makes it die faster.

Anyway, I'm told that reclears are pretty smooth and it's just prog parties having these issues.

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Originally Posted by Valence

M6S is literally the anti raidplan fight from what I've seen. It goes against everything that the current raiding community does which is memorizing plans and executing a set of instructions to the letter. It requires people to think by themselves and talk with their party.

Is this a decent summary of it?

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For someone who bangs on about how "not being there" disqualifies someone from a discussion, you sure like insert your ego a lot into content you admit on not doing. Almost like you aren't actually arguing in good faith at all :D
It's especially funny how wrong you are again about this content, which is unsurprising, since you have a track record of not understanding how encounters in this game are designed. No, it's not a "literally anti raidplan fight", quite the opposite. The add spawn timing and placement are hard scripted, their abilities and enrage timers are fixed. The only "random" thing is the cat jump pattern. The raidplans and guides spit out everything in excrutiating details, from where to stand when, what to do, what to prioritize, the Yukizuri video is even explicit about how to heal. But hey, what would I know, nothing can compare to your "experience", innit?

I mean, I have way more experience (and community involvement) then you do, so your post just screams of insecurity, but you do you.
This is why I asked this as a question, because yes, I am not raiding this tier. Forgive me for being curious about it and as you say, "not understanding how encounters work". All I've seen answered everywhere so far seemed to hint at a lot of adjustment to be made depending on players, comp, circumstances, beyond the raidplan acting as a baseline, adjustment which is something for example, as you quote Yukizuri, the guide maker specifically mentions needs to be done. You telling me that this isn't the case, then it would seem you are in disagreement with the majority?

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Originally Posted by Taranok

So, as a counterpoint to this: If M6S requires the very weapon it drops just to reliably clear it even with average savage raiders, M6S is horrifically overtuned. No ifs, no ands, no buts. Full stop, if people need gear to reliably meet the DPS check and it's not a group of truly bad people, the fight is the problem.

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well good thing u dont :D

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Originally Posted by AllenThyl

7 cruiser holosaber can be exchanged for 1 Universal Tomestone 2.0, which allows for purchase of an unaugmented tome weapon.

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The Tome Weapon is too expensive, there should be one weapon for tomes, and another one for a Stone.

After reading all of these replies a lot of you suffer from the cold case of skill issue. Praying for your recovery