The real reason there are even subscribers in 2024

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Originally Posted by HighlanderClone

Let's be really honest why there are people even subscribed to FF14 in 2024:

It isn't because it's a video game, or because it's an MMO. It's not even a good RPG anymore. Go play Divinity Original Sin 1&2 or Baldur's Gate III if you actually want to play a good RPG. And if you want fun JRPG combat? FF7R has that. Story? Lol. For the first time it's actually worse than WoW's.

Let's all be honest. The reason why people are even "playing" FF14 in 2024 isn't because people are "playing" the game. It's because FF14 has the best suite of third party, ToS-violating tools that help you look your best in screenshots. Or the best in different custom poses. Or the best while they're all unequipped and you're doing gods know what down there while staring at those unequipped characters.

It's also because FF14 has the best drama. Desolance? Xeno? Arthars? Healer strike? Wuk Lamat? Need I go on? It's always a fun time to be in the FF14 community because every other day some human interest story will organically pop up that lets people get a huge whiff of what absolute human depravity looks like.

And it's also because you can find your e-girl or e-boy on some steamy Discord and get dating while sitting on each other's lap (both catgirl ofc) on the Limsa Lominsa Lower Deck Plaza bench under a tree right to the left of the marketboard. But really it's all just Discord and using FF14 to heat up your room.

Who actually subscribes to FF14 for a video game after all?

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I am subscribed because I have a fc house, a personnel house, and a island. I love both workshops especially my fc which can make the new country exterior. :) I am also a omni crafter and love to make stuff to sell .. my goal is to make a billion gil and I am 1/3 of the way there. I love going over the whole story on alts I currently have 9. 5 have made it through DT. 4 are passed EW .....I am retired and this is the only game I play . Also I love the glamour and spend hours getting each outfit right on all 9 characters. The eye candy has improved greatly since the expac dropped ... :)

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Originally Posted by TBerry

Most people don't see this on their screen unless they run Mare.

It's kinda sad when people are just so used to mods that they can't see anything beyond that anymore.


For me as an RPer and casual Crafter/Gatherer, it's... that. RP, crafting gathering.

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I mean why ask for a graphical update if were gonna judge ppl for how they wanna play then....its almost like you guys pay their subs???

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Originally Posted by Voidmage

The people just fix stuff like hats themself instead of demanding that from the devs.

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Because the devs don't care? It took a widespread use of third party tools before SE devs finally decided to (gasp) put the cooldown number in the center of the damn button and make it bigger. And show the remaining buff/debuff duration on the party UI.

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Originally Posted by SigmaOZ

Because players are lazy and conformists.


I completely oppose mods but Yoshida is doing nothing to prevent them which is pretty unfair. The game looks like 10 years old crap but players are still happy with it, they don't seem to complain that we only have pretty faces but PS3 bodies.


Personally I want much better body models, I don't care how the dev team does it, I don't care if all NPCs look like shabby FFX characters as long as my character looks great.


I could use mods to have my characters look great but they are illegal under ToS. Mods are also mediocre since the ones that create them do it however they want and they are too different from the "vanilla" models so an official solution would be better, that is remodeling all character bodies to conform to current standards and not old PS3 stuff.


MMO games should NOT live more than 10 years but while they continue to make money the developers will continue to milk players.

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You don't need mods to look great not anymore the new graphics update has improved all. The bikinis look good and flat assed like they use too. Taffeta shawl is not a small chested bump, but a full figured breast now. The Thavnairian outfit is wonderful and the tights look much better :) I could go on but needless to say don't need mods to look good. Omg i forgot to mention 2bs, the bottoms make big booty and girls put 2bs with all bouses, tops, and bikini tops it will make them look like the eye candy you need :)

Modders make better hairstyles. Just look at the hairstyle contest and what the devs chose and it shows you why people mod. The devs only choose hairstyles that a boy band in japan would use.

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Originally Posted by Somnolence

MMOs are dead genre.

Not many options, for me FFXIV is the only one that fits so there is no other MMO for me to play.

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So dead that it's still one of the most popular genres. Spreading such misinformation needs to stop, it belongs 8 years past. The genre itself takes a lot of resources to maintain and keep up, and trust me it'd be even more alive if it wasn't so difficult to make. That's the one limiting factor to mmos being more popular.

The new graphic update made it impossible to look at the game through all the bloom 🙃

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Originally Posted by Teno

So dead that it's still one of the most popular genres.

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Compared to what? MOBAs and various shooters rule the show these days, even more so among the younger generation.

Now, I agree that MMORPGs are still pretty popular, but they all suffer from various issues, be it FFXIV, WoW, LA or others. Which may cause a "stuck" feeling, because, as Somnolence pointed out, there aren't many options if you want to play an MMORPG. Every studio seems to be dead set on shooting themselves in the foot.

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Originally Posted by Teno

So dead that it's still one of the most popular genres. Spreading such misinformation needs to stop, it belongs 8 years past. The genre itself takes a lot of resources to maintain and keep up, and trust me it'd be even more alive if it wasn't so difficult to make. That's the one limiting factor to mmos being more popular.

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Calling MMO's "dead" would be inaccurate, but it's also very evident that they're well past their "golden age" or heyday. Back when WoW hit the scene and made it huge, MMO's were *the* thing for people of all ages to play, and rather importantly younger gamers. Today? There's very few teenagers and college kids playing MMO's compared to 15-20 years ago. MMO's are now primarily the home of gamers rapidly approaching (if not already in) middle age, and the "new blood" is heading to other things like MOBA's and mobile games. That's important because it means studios are going to be *very* hesitant to pour the amount of resources you need to make an MMO into a new venture at this point.

I've been watching my friend play World of Warcraft: The War Within Early Access.

The game looks pretty, they also seem to be focusing on the story (the quality of which I don't really know), but I don't really feel the urge to try it out or drop my FFXIV sub for it.

Anyone else try it yet?