The Devs Listen to Us

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

It would be fantastic if the forums (and mainsub) didn’t act like this was somehow a good thing or something that they should defend

If the devs make unpopular changes (5.0 healers for example) they should be forced to defend their decisions not have half the playerbase that’s willing to praise them doing literally nothing or even defending them releasing less content

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i honestly can't think of another industry where customers are such paypigs lmao, i feel like it's really just the entertainment industry, no other industry gets away with this, ff14 honestly isn't even the worst, there are gamers out there who unironically defend activision or supercell selling lootboxes to children and get them hooked and use their parents credit card, it's wild

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Originally Posted by Koros

i honestly can't think of another industry where customers are such paypigs lmao, i feel like it's really just the entertainment industry, no other industry gets away with this, ff14 honestly isn't even the worst, there are gamers out there who unironically defend activision or supercell selling lootboxes to children and get them hooked and use their parents credit card, it's wild

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Makes me think of literally every gacha game in existence. Like when Honkai Star Rail came out and people were praising it to high heaven, despite the predatory as all heck monetization.

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Originally Posted by Koros

i honestly can't think of another industry where customers are such paypigs lmao, i feel like it's really just the entertainment industry, no other industry gets away with this,

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This is because people don't realize when ever they buy "digital goods" , they are not really buying anything or obtain anything. It is all smoke and mirrors.
Imagine you go to any real store, you buy clothes, but the moment you leave the store your clothes you just bought are gone, and you can only wear them inside the store, you can keep the receipt though, and when the store eventually closes you also cant use the clothes anymore.
You are essentially paying a service that can be replicated to infinity and has no actual value, all the prices in the shops are made up, you can argue it takes more time for a dev to make a mount than a pet so the mount costs more money, but what is the justification for a mount to cost 30$ or 10$.

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Originally Posted by FlutterYuu

I hope I don't sound preachy but I think there are too many people who think the Devs don't listen. I'm not a very important person but I do think we need to remind ourselves that the FFXIV Dev Team listen to us, they always have.

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Wouldn't know it from this end.

They are in our walls ... :3

So an example of why there's a lack of feedback or it seems Devs are ignoring players that are unhappy with parts of a game. Yoshi-P has apparently said the FF16 negative feedback is "tiring" because so much of it is filled with insults, threats, and offensive yelling. As a result it appears he's mostly clueless as to why people are upset with the game in the first place and just writing it off as those people just being haters of the game having a "Dark Story" and action game based combat.

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

So an example of why there's a lack of feedback or it seems Devs are ignoring players that are unhappy with parts of a game. Yoshi-P has apparently said the FF16 negative feedback is "tiring" because so much of it is filled with insults, threats, and offensive yelling. As a result it appears he's mostly clueless as to why people are upset with the game in the first place and just writing it off as those people just being haters of the game having a "Dark Story" and action game based combat.

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I think he's being rather deceptive. Whenever something happens that proves controversial, he points to the most aggressive of critics as a deflection tactic. From what I recall, during the marketing phase there was a lot of feedback towards the combat against regular enemies looking to be rather shallow and without much difficulty. It was the very same 'content creators' who he props up with personal favours and meet-and-greets who aggressively insulted anyone who dared criticise the 'best game ever' even if they were exceptionally civil.

A lot of his own commentary proved to rub people the wrong way such as throwing FFXV under the bus and claiming that the use of the word 'JRPG' was 'offensive' (only to later backtrack).

In general, there's a lot of constructive feedback to be found. He simply doesn't seem to see it or pretends not to see it. Or perhaps those in charge of marketing and gathering feedback aren't actually handing him sensible feedback. Who knows for sure?

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

So an example of why there's a lack of feedback or it seems Devs are ignoring players that are unhappy with parts of a game. Yoshi-P has apparently said the FF16 negative feedback is "tiring" because so much of it is filled with insults, threats, and offensive yelling. As a result it appears he's mostly clueless as to why people are upset with the game in the first place and just writing it off as those people just being haters of the game having a "Dark Story" and action game based combat.

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If so, that seems like a weak excuse to me to just ignore feedback. He can get staff to sift through it and bring forward the productive feedback. This is the norm in most of industry in dealing with customer feedback, especially for large companies like SE, which he should be aware of. He's claimed in the past he isn't sensitive unlike some of his staff. So he could just 'forge ahead' like the game preaches. This really does read as a ploy to get people to pity/white knight him and I, for one, do not care for it. This is the sort of thing that makes me lose respect for a company and a person. This isn't some small mom and pop shop.

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Originally Posted by Koros

i honestly can't think of another industry where customers are such paypigs lmao, i feel like it's really just the entertainment industry, no other industry gets away with this, ff14 honestly isn't even the worst, there are gamers out there who unironically defend activision or supercell selling lootboxes to children and get them hooked and use their parents credit card, it's wild

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It really does seem true.

Also saw this floating around...

https://i.imgur.com/cnTz5SJ.png

If that's accurate, it's hardly harsh. Even if, as the comment suggests, that they may have omitted other stuff that's harsher out there (and let's for argument's sake assume it's all genuine), that specific feedback does not fit the bill and it should be clear what those players are saying. Can't just brush that off as 'haters' in good faith. Such an approach would contradict his own stated approach to game design and customer feedback...

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

It would be fantastic if the forums (and mainsub) didn’t act like this was somehow a good thing or something that they should defend

If the devs make unpopular changes (5.0 healers for example) they should be forced to defend their decisions not have half the playerbase that’s willing to praise them doing literally nothing or even defending them releasing less content

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Well, if such a large portion of the playerbase is still enjoying it and happy to praise the dev team, perhaps the changes aren't that unpopular? Or, does the unpopularity of something get magically magnified because you specifically didn't like it?

Idk about this one chief. DRK & MCH have finally got some changes in EW due to Mr.Happy talking to Yoshi P about it and the best part is... Yoshi P say he didnt get feedback from it. When there already thread talking about it for 4 years for those changes. It means there something off with our feedback. I'm sure NA and EU do there job to giving feedback but I'm sure japan is the one who blocked hard due " It's not proper way to say it". Oh boy they will cry if they are learning french lmao.