Mordion Gaol is a bad system

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Originally Posted by Doozer

Being reported =/= being put in gaol/disciplined. If you got busted that's because the GM ruled in favour of the person reporting you. There's no doubt lots of reports get binned because they're based on nothing (like "I asked for loot and someone else rolled on it and got it instead! >:C"), but if you get in trouble then you deserved it.

If you're incapable of speaking to others without possibly breaking ToS, that's a you problem, mate.

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And what was it he said that broke it? Can't fix it when you are not told. That is the entire issue here. He knows the violation, but not what caused the violation. It does nothing to help the person learn or fix the issue.

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Originally Posted by Nothv13

And what was it he said that broke it? Can't fix it when you are not told. That is the entire issue here. He knows the violation, but not what caused the violation. It does nothing to help the person learn or fix the issue.

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It costs nothing to be more aware of how you speak to strangers. People act like it's impossible to know what might've done it, but I don't feel that way. I know when something I say might get me in trouble, but I'm still fully free to speak to other players in game.

Be nicer to people, and choose your words carefully if you have to be critical of someone (like giving gameplay-related suggestions). And limit the profanity. It's not difficult. I've been in plenty of verbal scraps in-game and have yet to be even warned. If someone gets in trouble for it, clearly what they said was significant enough to gaol them. If they can't remember that, again, that's their problem. Be mindful of how you interact with other people. Not sure how many other ways I can say it.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

It costs nothing to be more aware of how you speak to strangers. People act like it's impossible to know what might've done it, but I don't feel that way. I know when something I say might get me in trouble, but I'm still fully free to speak to other players in game.

Be nicer to people, and choose your words carefully if you have to be critical of someone (like giving gameplay-related suggestions). And limit the profanity. It's not difficult. I've been in plenty of verbal scraps in-game and have yet to be even warned. If someone gets in trouble for it, clearly what they said was significant enough to gaol them. If they can't remember that, again, that's their problem. Be mindful of how you interact with other people. Not sure how many other ways I can say it.

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What is nice in one circle may not be in another. You cannot know what is and isn't unless informed of what it is. This is why everywhere but public opinion they let you know exactly what you are being punished for or charged with. Not simply "You violated this rule". They Point out exactly what you did to violated said rule. It is literally the only way one can learn from their mistakes.

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Originally Posted by Ammokkx

Not only is it a concept hardly exclusive to specifically American law, as I am not an American and enjoy that little right, but the point isn't to literally make this into a court trial. It's about the attitude. The mentality behind it. I don't say "innocent until proven guilty" because the OP is an assumed criminal going into presumed jail (though let me tell you, people do often assume guilt of even real-life criminals), no, I say it because by refusing to even hear the guy out you essentially transform his earnest attempt to both be a better person and to give feedback to SE into a personal attack against his character.

Listen, I'm aware the OP has a tendency to put his foot in his mouth, but I can't really see any deliberate malicious intent going on here. The dude's just kinda clumsy with words and has a few misguided views; hardly a reason to organise a shame parade, you dig?

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I'm not really interested in the shame parade either (although his comments about cancel culture and the Twitter example he gave make me suspicious). but I'm also not interested in defending him against SE because they've made their position on the matter clear: they will not tell you what specifically you said, because then you could track down who reported you.

although I will drop the tip that if you find yourself waiting in the gaol again, simply send in a report for harassment that says "hey, I'm in the gaol," and a GM should get to you faster.

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Originally Posted by Nothv13

What is nice in one circle may not be in another. You cannot know what is and isn't unless informed of what it is.

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You're right. So if you screw around with your friends, swearing every third word, calling each other names and stuff, that doesn't mean strangers are okay with it.

People have said that the infraction in question isn't referred to in detail to avoid attacking the people that may have done the reporting. The OP knows what rule they broke, so from now on its best for them to use caution when interacting with strangers.

Some of you act like it's impossible to avoid offending people when thousands of other players do it every single day. It is possible. Just be nicer to people. At best, if you absolutely cannot control yourself, be neutral. Most people who play this are adults, so maybe they need to start acting like it and figure it out themselves. You don't always get what you want in life. So just act like an adult and don't be an ass to everyone you meet. Pretty simple.

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Originally Posted by Nothv13

That doesn't actually solve the issue. Did he swear, was it something else? Etc. You cannot hope to fix something when you are not told what it is. Not to mention the number of things I see happening every single day that violates the ToS with no punishments. This is basic discipline stuff.

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you only really get dragged off to jail if someone reports you for it. I swear all the time on FC chat, because I know the people there will not report it. but if someone tells you, you've used offensive language you should not need to be told "you called little Johnny a [redacted] yesterday" to know "hey, maybe I should watch my mouth in public channels."

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

you only really get dragged off to jail if someone reports you for it. I swear all the time on FC chat, because I know the people there will not report it. but if someone tells you, you've used offensive language you should not need to be told "you called little Johnny a [redacted] yesterday" to know "hey, maybe I should watch my mouth in public channels."

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I need to ask all of you a question then. What defines offensive language? You all act like you know, and that I should have been punished, and just know what shouldn't be said..

So tell me? What defines offensive language. Be specific.

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Originally Posted by Fourbestintoner

Those ""F bombs"" are also automatically censored unless you chose you see them, reporting people for things you deliberately chose to see is pretty shitty, imagine losing hundreds, thousands of hours and dollars for a random fuck said out of anger for dying, if you ask me, "people" reporting others for minor stupid reasons should be the ones getting banned, the community would only be healthier without them.

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the profanity filter is not free reign to swear like a sailor. if the rule is "no swearing" and you get reported for swearing, whether you're cussing someone out or just talking about something else, "there's a profanity filter" is not a valid defense.

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

you only really get dragged off to jail if someone reports you for it. I swear all the time on FC chat, because I know the people there will not report it. but if someone tells you, you've used offensive language you should not need to be told "you called little Johnny a [redacted] yesterday" to know "hey, maybe I should watch my mouth in public channels."

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And if that is the first time you've ever been reported? You have no bearing on what it was you said to trigger the offense, so again, you cannot correct the issue since you do not know what triggered the offense.

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Originally Posted by Ralph2449

Damn I just learned about this and it sounds like such a great way to deal with people who break the rules, especially toxic people since it isnt a mere ban, you are literally send to prison xD
Though I swear I ve heard of a similar system in another game, was it lineage 2 that did the same thing?

Coming from WoW this is something that is very very much needed in online communities because if you let toxic or hateful speech free you see it more and more everywhere and people know reporting does nothing so they dont even bother, see WoW's trade chat, people can say the most vile, hateful and act extremely toxic and unless there's an entire guild of people reporting them nothing happens.

I am very happy to hear that SE is taking a strong stance against toxicity unlike most western companies who allow toxic people to continue because they cant be bothered to pay people to enforce their community "policy", probably why FF14 is known for having one of the better communities in an mmo out there, it is because SE actively enforces the ToS.

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Errrr.. strong stance? I wouldn't say so. If it were that strong, I feel like a LOT of people would be banned more often. You honestly rarely ever hear of it.