Stupid reason to report someone

bah, and there I was hoping for funny stupid stuff like "glam does not match" or "laying dead on a table an calling yourself a table cloth is not real RP!". But instead I get the xth rendition of winy healers grasping for excuses to be lazy in content....

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

If you can't savor it everyday, then you shouldn't be running it everyday. This game has a huge wealth of available content. If you like the game at all, you should be able to find something in it that you actually enjoy. That's what you should be running, not something you consider a pain.

This is a game. It's whole purpose for existing is to enjoy it. You're doing yourself a huge disservice if you ignore that to just plow through boring junk instead. And if you then expect other players to cater to the fact that you don't even want to be there, then you're doing them a disservice as well.

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Absolutely agreed.

It is unreasonable to expect random players in a PUG in DF to perform like seasoned raiders. It's entirely reasonable to expect new players, inexperienced players, rusty players and bored players only there for the tomes, in which case you cannot expect stellar performance from all players in a DF PUG. Additionally rushing through content, and grinding content to cap tomes and things like that are really not helping anyone enjoy the game. In the long run, players doing that are far more likely to become jaded and burned out on the game. They stop enjoying themselves and that's a problem. The solution is as you say, the wealth of content that the game provides. Don't do the same thing every day, do the things that take your fancy and forget about that nagging obligation you feel to cap your tomes as quickly as possible.

I find that people who enjoy the game play better regardless of their level of skill or experience in the game because they are enjoying it, it feels good to do well.

Regarding that other content and pace, here is a recent experience of mine. Just the other night my wife and I were running around in the Churning Mists - which we just opened up, we were both lvl 56 in our main jobs - due to reasons(*) beyond the game's control, or ours. Well, it was just the two of us and we came across a FATE that was poorly positioned with a group of level 55-56 dragons roaming and lurking around the FATE, and the FATE itself was a stream of level 55-56 dragons and a few larger adds seemed to come into play as well, or they could just have been local spawns. Either way, it was just us, and the dragons.

Well, our gear is the level 56 story gear, but we nailed the FATE in decent time between us. It reminded me of when ARR was young and if you were exploring you could find FATE that no one else was fighting yet, and of course your levels were appropriate to the monsters, so they were relatively threatening. It was really stupidly fun, in the end I was kiting almost everything, literally 6-8 monsters on me at a time, and my wife was spamming holy and occasionally regen, and a real heal if I got low. I blew through my PLD cool-downs and kited them for all I was worth. It was fast paced, and she was doing the damage while I was running around like a lunatic, basically we started laughing like maniacs in the middle of all this, and when we finished the FATE, we laughed for a while longer and remembered exactly how much fun this kin of thing was when ARR was young. We greatly enjoyed that session, and of course wanted to play longer but life and sanity intervened and an end was called for the night.

The point is this, find the things that you enjoy, and do them with the people you enjoy being with in-game. Forget the to-do lists, the chores, and the progression treadmill. At the end of the day this is a game to be played for a very long time, there is no rush. But most of all, like Niwashi said, there is a lot (I believe the official word might be "crap-tonne") of content in the game, find the things that you enjoy doing each day and do those things in addition to, or instead of what you normally do. You will enjoy the game more, you will relax, you will play and you will realize that an extra 5 minutes in a dungeon is far, far, far from the end of the world.

Reporting another player for something is a fairly harsh step to take. We've been talking about healers and DPS again, and all the usual arguments have been made, but at the end of the day, reporting a player who is a healer for not doing DPS in a dungeon is a stupid reason to report someone. Getting into a war of not so nice words in-game at the time is pretty stupid too. I think a lot of this stuff comes from people who believe that their time is being wasted if everyone else is not playing to their standard in the way they would like. I've got news for you folks, you're playing a video game, you're wasting just as much time either way.

Finally, this concept of wasted time seems to me to be rooted in an almost compulsive need to progress, whether it be levels, gear, raids or whatever. My question about that is a simple one. What is it that you are measuring your progress against? It doesn't matter if you clear all the content 1 month of 6 months from release, you still clear it. Only so many players can keep up with the world first groups, and most players are not in that category in any case. So relax, slow down, treat people as you want them to treat you, have a nice cup of tea and some shortbread and chill.

(*) - my wife has a chronic health condition that frequently prevents her from playing or enjoying FFXIV (or any other game), I will only progress story and my main job when she can play, so I am at the same point as her, and we can experience the game together. In the mean time I folow my own adivce and level alts, got my crafters all to 50 and am working on 60 next, and finally took up fishing, the last DoL job I have to level to 50. There is plenty do to in the game, even if you have to take a lengthy hiatus from story progression.

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Originally Posted by swiss_Momo

bah, and there I was hoping for funny stupid stuff like "glam does not match" or "laying dead on a table an calling yourself a table cloth is not real RP!". But instead I get the xth rendition of winy healers grasping for excuses to be lazy in content....

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Hey, hey! Let's not bring Table Cloth into this! She's a heroine to me :D

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

You may be looking at it the wrong way.It's not that dungeons and content are designed so that you don't HAVE to do your absolute best, they're designed on the lowest common denominator, so that IF by chance you have someone new, or someone who isn't capable of playing their given role at its absolute highest, you can still clear the content. The difference of course is a matter of minutes, but the big picture is accessibility. Even raids aren't designed based on one single, absolutely perfect execution of mechanics and rotations by 8 people. Gordias came close to that, and STILL wasn't designed with healer DPS in mind, but look how well that went.

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Considering dungeon queues dropped to the put they funneled us back into them with the latest Anima step and have previously openly acknowledged their dungeons are boring. That appeal to the lowest common denominator doesn't seem to work. Nonetheless, I am not going to put up a fuss at low levels. Once you reach 60 or Alexander, you should be capable of performing your job properly. This includes Cleric Stance for healers. No other role can omit a third of their abilities and still be thought of as "good." If you fancy doing the bare minimum, I suppose you'll harbor no complaints when I stop dodging aoes or use defense cooldowns. After all, if we really break it down to their technical definitions. Each job is intended to do the following:

Tanks hold aggro
DPS deal damage
Healers heal

I can hold aggro spamming nothing but Flash/Overpower/Unleash and I can deal damage without dodging. In fact, some jobs (i.e Black Mage, Monk) may lose DPS if they need to move frequently.

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Yoshida has said they make dungeons to be accessible above all else. Yes, even "expert" dungeons. This is a quality of life thing, for the sake of players who may lack time in a busy daily schedule or perfect working knowledge of a given job to still be capable of clearing some kind of content. Maybe it takes 20 minutes instead of 15 because your healer isn't DPSing, but then what are your DPS doing (or NOT doing) that makes it take so long, assuming it could still be done in 15 regardless of a healer dealing damage? What is your tank doing to help, if anything?

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I'll reiterate. No DPS job in the entire game can make up 920 potency. There is quite literally nothing more I can do on Dragoon to make up the massive amount of damage Holy inflicts. You are arguing a false equivalent. Tanks and DPS wanting healers to DPS aren't necessarily lazy. They want the run to go faster and cannot make up the damage themselves. Furthermore, communication only works if it's reciprocated. I won't scream obscenities at healers who won't DPS; I'll ask them to. If they refuse, then they've essentially said, "Sorry. I feel like watching Netflix, so you do all the work." Yeah, no. They have now forced their play style onto me by refusing to perform above the bare minimum. Therefore, I'll echo the same sentiment the other side does. "If you want to only heal, go play with friends who won't mind. Don't waste random people's time because you're lazy."

And it is laziness at 60. Like I mentioned previously, current dungeons are so incredibly easy, a healer not DPSing will have nothing to do for 80% of the run.

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

believe? i know they were. it was said, there is no doubt they are made so easy that the whole group can watch netflix barely doing any real rotation.

because in the end i am not the one forcing my own standards on anyone it is you.

if people meet the req to complete a dungeon that is all that matters after that it's all opinion on how someone should be.

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Except you are. You're demanding three/seven random people accept your refusal to perform beyond the bare of minimum. And how dare they complain about carrying you through. As mentioned above, if every role were afforded this leeway, dungeons would take 40+ minutes. In that sense, if you're going to force your subpar playstyle onto me, I don't see how reason why I shouldn't reciprocate? Your job is to heal me, mine is to deal damage. I'll stand in everything so we both do our job by its technical definition.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Except you are.

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so what if they are 40 minutes plus?
you wouldn't be carrying anyone because they would be meeting reqs, see this is exactly what i was saying your standards is not the games standards. and to try to prove a point you talk about the most extreme? its not even like i said hey players can afk and auto attack to death i simply said a player doesn't have to do optimal rotations/gamestyles just do whats required.

also *forcing my subpar playstyle on you* what?! this is such a grey zone *you took a aoe get out scrub* *you didnt pull as much dps as a top tier raid dps scrub* man these people make me so mad!!!

see how extremes look so silly?

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

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This exactly! I wish I could like it/thumbs up it more than once. Though I hate to say it, it will still fall on deaf ears, like the reply directly beneath yours.

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Originally Posted by Dorander

This exactly! I wish I could like it/thumbs up it more than once. Though I hate to say it, it will still fall on deaf ears, like the reply directly beneath yours.

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someone doesn't agree with me so i will simply say they are blindly against me because i have to be right!

it would be nice to see a actual discussion instead of insults and extremes thrown around.

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Your all wasting your time with this thread lol. Its been stated many a times you cannot interfere with other peoples "Playstyle".

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Originally Posted by Joeking

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Your all wasting your time with this thread lol. Its been stated many a times you cannot interfere with other peoples "Playstyle".

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2 pages too late for that pic

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Originally Posted by Settiesama

2 pages too late for that pic

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Oh is it lol, good reminder anyways.