It comes from data that the developers track regarding quest completion rates. They track similar data for things like raid clears and primal clears, which is how they also determined that too few people were clearing Alexander (Savage) or that less than 50% of the playerbase cleared Titan (Extreme) back when it was current content.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilia
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12-25-2015, 09:12 PMAlahra
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12-25-2015, 10:05 PMPenceI feel like Yoshi also said that T5 weapons were getting buffed because so many people were getting relics easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alahra
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12-25-2015, 10:53 PMArcyEvilLies... 1st relic was sooooo common that they buffed t5 weapon to 95ilvl. Yoshi thinks that players have troubles with memory? Coz I'm not. They digging their own grave for treating players like idiots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alahra
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12-25-2015, 11:56 PMRiceisNicePart of the problem is that I feel he's looking at the numbers without context or the time in consideration. Is it a problem that most players are not clearing current content when it's...content? Hell, Titan EX was unchanged for the entirety of it's life, and same with Titan HM. Did the developers ever think to look at SCoB Savage's Clear rates when they decided to tuned Alexander to be just as, if not harder than that? He said that he was "satisfied" with the high amount of clear rates for Alexander Normal...but honestly what are we supposed to take away from that? It's content that can be done even if you have 1 dps afking and 1 other spamming heavy thrust.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alahra
And now honestly with this next statement.
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Originally Posted by ArcyEvil
That's directly against the design choice of not making something like the initial relic step ever again because too few people were getting it (which was Yoshi's reasoning if the liveletter was anything to go by). If it's supposed to be something that gets easier over time from overgearing, then fine. Content should be like that anyway. If it has no resemblance of difficulty on release, it really doesn't have that long of a shelf life for a typical player that has a small focus on progression (and we see this with Alexander normal). I know you mentioned before that you feel relic should be difficult to obtain and that it should feel special for the player and their main job; but I don't even know what it's supposed to be intended for with the conflicting updates and viewpoints from the developers themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pence
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12-26-2015, 12:28 AMArcyEvilMate I'm not saying its good or bad design, I'm just saying Yoshi is talking bs coz every1 remember ppl full darklight with relics on all their alts and only thing that stopped them from getting zenith was 3 weeks of tome farming for zenith items.It's something you would remember too but you joined game quite a bit after release.Quote:
Originally Posted by RiceisNice
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12-26-2015, 12:31 AMRiceisNiceI'm not disagreeing with your notion. I'm on the same boat as you where his love letter statements don't make any senseQuote:
Originally Posted by ArcyEvil
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12-26-2015, 03:35 AMurban
that's the reason why i left 2.x and return during 3.x thinking they might slow down on the ilevel crap/debockle. now working on getting zodiac then zeta only to find out another relic will surpass Anima when Anima just came out.
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12-26-2015, 05:57 AMMycow8me
I hope they are looking closely at the data for red scrips to see that it was a really bad idea and should just keep everything on blue scrips at the very least. I'm guessing a very large portion of the crafting community has completely ignored red scrips or barely participates in it.
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12-26-2015, 05:59 AMRiceisNiceThe problem wasn't nessescarly the red scrips itself, but what you did with that red scrip. For gatherers, it was used for favors. That alone made even getting ready to craft to become an utter chore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mycow8me
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12-26-2015, 06:24 AMAlahraIt wasn't because too many players were getting them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pence
It was because the time investment in learning the fights was so disparate. Titan HM was a much easier fight to learn and clear than Twintania was, and so people rightfully provided feedback that it should probably offer greater rewards than the option that took less effort, as there was no reason for players who theoretically *could* clear Twintania to do so for the weapons when they also probably had Relic weapons from Titan already.
They are two separate issues that might seem related and in conflict at first glance but aren't necessarily so.