Red Mage (Tank) Please!

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Warrior is just one of many tanking playstyles though. I like the aesthetic but I don't like how it plays myself.

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not liking the playstyle doesn't make it boring. i no longer like how BRD plays that doesn't mean i call it boring, i use "clunky" as the default descriptor.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

False. I sometimes enjoy PLD, but every time I try to play my WAR my eyes start to bleed with boredom.

Obviously, to each their own.

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that does not reinforce the position that tanking in general has to be boring. there isn't anything mechanical about WAR or melee DPS that makes one more boring than the other besides not having to move from flank to rear. and if you're saying you're okay with PLD, than you don't even have that.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

Technically speaking, a PLD is more of a caster than a BRD or MCH. I mean this in the sense that PLD actually casts spells, as oppose to BRD or MCH which do not cast spells but have skills that take time.

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you mean thematically speaking. cause technically they are now casted. and BRDs have more songs than PLD has spells and songs are definitely "casted". Flash the only one that PLDs use all the time is instant.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

that does not reinforce the position that tanking in general has to be boring. there isn't anything mechanical about WAR or melee DPS that makes one more boring than the other besides not having to move from flank to rear. and if you're saying you're okay with PLD, than you don't even have that.

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What? I don't even understand your retort. However, you said that a DPS who finds WAR boring is due to tanking responsibility and not the job design itself. I am saying that I am 1 example which contradicts that, proving it a false statement.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

you mean thematically speaking. cause technically they are now casted. and BRDs have more songs than PLD has spells and songs are definitely "casted". Flash the only one that PLDs use all the time is instant.

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No, I mean technically. Because technically they aren't casting. They simply have times associated with skills.

It's just good to know that the likelihood of this happening is extremely slim. RDM (no matter what you want to picture it as in your head) has always been a melee/caster DD, just because people managed to forced it into a tank role in Xi by subbing Nin and exploiting broken mechanics to make RDM into a tank doesn't mean it is one.

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Originally Posted by Attarik

It's just good to know that the likelihood of this happening is extremely slim. RDM (no matter what you want to picture it as in your head) has always been a melee/caster DD, just because people managed to forced it into a tank role in Xi by subbing Nin and exploiting broken mechanics to make RDM into a tank doesn't mean it is one.

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There were no real roles in previous FF's except Xi.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

What? I don't even understand your retort. However, you said that a DPS who finds WAR boring is due to tanking responsibility and not the job design itself. I am saying that I am 1 example which contradicts that, proving it a false statement.

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i didn't say that, i said they are lying when they say that. if you can enjoy PLD, you can't be an example.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

No, I mean technically. Because technically they aren't casting. They simply have times associated with skills.

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that's not what technically means.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

that's not what technically means.

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Not replying to the first part, because your argument has become even more confusing.

As for technically, I did not define before. I simply used the term. However, if you'd like a definition:
tech·ni·cal·ly
teknək(ə)lē/
adverb
1.
according to the facts or exact meaning of something; strictly.

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Originally Posted by stanrir

I always wanted drk as a tank, and glad it is. I think red mage would be an interesting take on the tank job maybe something different than the damage mitigation tank, cause pretty much all 3 of our tanks are that now

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it's really hard to get away from that without changing encounters. i'd like to see it too but i don't think they can pull it off. they didn't exactly show off their innovation skills with DRK, MCH, AST either.

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Originally Posted by stanrir

im so sorry but i just find it funny when people say drk was suppose to be a dps cause that's how 11 did it!!!!!!!!!!!! don't change red mage from what it was in 11!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I always wanted drk as a tank, and glad it is. I think red mage would be an interesting take on the tank job maybe something different than the damage mitigation tank, cause pretty much all 3 of our tanks are that now

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XI took DRK as a DPS because of how it always worked in the FF series in general. DRK was always a DPS style job (hard hitting) but suffered in the survival department because of how their skills/spells worked... not to mention def stats being naturally low. The same is said for RDM in that, just as how XI took it, RDM was always a jack of all trades. They never excelled in any one thing to be equal to or better than the dedicated WHM or BLM. XI simply made them into a top support role, which also argued in favor of the jack of all trades style lesser BLM/WHM spells. Traditionally, this is just how it is in the FF universe. XIV altered that a bit by making DRK work as a tank, likely due to the fact they always wore heavy armors.