i100 and i110 gear no longer special

Time to get me that caster robe with a tail. In your face pvpers! :D

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Originally Posted by Buff_Archer

Right... the people with prior experience with that are the ones with the 'must have prior clear title to join party or I kick you' party finders for FCOB, and yet they can still solo queue for Frontlines and not even try to learn how to succeed, and get rewards anyway. But if you're in the reverse situation- a PVP pro looking for more practical experience to clear raid content, good luck getting it without paying for it.

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Perhaps you should'nt look into pf for farmgroups of other ppl, instead open your own pf with "kill/practise"? Are you one of these guys, who wait for a farmgroup to appear, then join and go by "I got till xyz%, can I join, pls?" instead of opening/joining a killgroup?

And lol, i did about 5 killgroups just for fun since 3.0... one time I killed Bahamut with 3 friends for 4 ppl, who never were in T13 at all and never saw a guide. It was two tries, then they got their kill:
Only one add in second phase (which is burned in 4s where it spawns), 5-10s downtime minimum between every single spawn in add phase, no tank-LB necessary (or available), first Akh Morn can be tanked single or with a melee, nobody cares.

Practical experience to clear raid content at lvl60, which was designed for lvl50, lol. As a dps, T13 has about 3 mechanics (Megaflare, Earthshaker, Balls+Rage) to care about and some squishy adds. Tanks got a bit more.

I would never ever pay more than 10k gil for a t13 kill (think it was several millions in 2.x). Just get some ppl who want their glamour.
Or get some ppl who didn't kill it yet for training/kill, because T13 in 3.0 is more easy than T5 was in 2.x or maybe than Alexander 4 normal is now (in terms of insta-wipe-mechanics, damage you get and damage you have to do).

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Originally Posted by Tensu

I am confused on why everyone is so angry, This is the normal progression with expansions....

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This isn't PvE progression. It's PvP, with ranks. Where everyone starts at 1 no matter what. I don't understand how you people don't get that this hurts the PvP community. It used to be that if people wanted pretty gear, they had to grind for it, therefore keeping PvP going. Now people will get the gear in a week or two and bail. We'll be dead in the water in a month.

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Originally Posted by Ocyrith

This isn't PvE progression. It's PvP, with ranks. Where everyone starts at 1 no matter what. I don't understand how you people don't get that this hurts the PvP community. It used to be that if people wanted pretty gear, they had to grind for it, therefore keeping PvP going. Now people will get the gear in a week or two and bail. We'll be dead in the water in a month.

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Then pvp needs more of a hook to keep people interested....instead of just a forced grind.

Honestly. With the getting 40 (I would increase it to 25/25 to make it 50) esotetics for the daily I would make this change worldwide. You still need A ton of tokens to get the new gear.

I would have them require a mix of Tomestones of Law and Wolf Marks.

- Do not remove Ranks, however let them unlock PvP abilities and PvP only stats.
- Remove PvP stats from all PvP gear, let ranks have/get that.
- Remove Rank Requirement from PvP Gear.

Also remove accuracy from PvP gear, make it uniquely stated and allow it to be upgraded to ilvl 195 with hunt/law.

If you did that, and removed Grand Company requirements you would get 10 times more people wanting to PvP. Rank is now NOT required for gear but MAKES you awesome because it gives you an advantage over other players in combat.

It is still a LOT of marks for that appearance gear.

Yeah I agree, weighty - I even switched my title to the rank 45 pvp-one (even though I dont like it) >.<

I maybe would have been fine with this if we got new, awesome looking sets - but nope... and even though someone can argue if the old/new sets look cool or not (hello to the person who didnt liked scholar/smn-gear - I'm a proud golden elk!) no one can argue that we got less sets this time - something that bothers me a lot! Two sets for 4 casters (or well, one set but two colors, awesome!); one for three tanks (+the dragoon-one which is more or less the same...); one for two ranged; and well, the other two melees got re-colored version of each other - good job!

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Originally Posted by Ocyrith

This isn't PvE progression. It's PvP, with ranks. Where everyone starts at 1 no matter what. I don't understand how you people don't get that this hurts the PvP community. It used to be that if people wanted pretty gear, they had to grind for it, therefore keeping PvP going. Now people will get the gear in a week or two and bail. We'll be dead in the water in a month.

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Who said just pve progression thats how it goes in games with pvp progression in expansions also. Look at wow once a new season hits not even a new expansion all the old high end conquest gear turns into bargain bin honor gear that you can grind out in a day or so. I realize people wanna be pretty unique snowflakes but that's what the new gear is for that is your new pedestal prize that you and only the other people who grinned up to rank 50 can wear.

I hate to be so blunt but that's about all I am hearing in this, People are mad that they cannot be the only ones who wear that gear anymore again look at it from the other angles also what about al the high end raiders who had to invest months of time to clear raids to get the best gear in the game and with the new lvl and ability to run it unsynced a group of people can go though and clear it with relative ease

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Originally Posted by Timat

Then pvp needs more of a hook to keep people interested....instead of just a forced grind.

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The PvP is the hook for the PvPers. The pretty gear was the hook to make PvErs grind the PvP to give our community some longevity.

This happens in every MMO that isn't dedicated PvP. WAR and DAOC had hopping PvP because they were MMOs sold on their PvP premise. Guild Wars as well (not sure about 2). But even WoW has the problem of slow queue times. Of only seeing the same set of people when you hop into a battleground. They literally just introduced a merc system to try to alleviate it.

Most people don't actually like PvP, or if they do, they decide why bother wasting my time waiting around when I can just play Dota2 or something with nearly instant pops?

SE refuses to listen to us, and have now given away our best identifiers and rewards only to replace them with lackluster ones. We went from having unique animal themed sets to things shared between roles. They're not terrible sets, I quite like everything but the ranged ones, but not everyone feels that way and they're definitely not anywhere close to what we had before. They've spit in our face with this patch.

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Originally Posted by Tensu

Who said just pve progression thats how it goes in games with pvp progression in expansions also. Look at wow once a new season hits not even a new expansion all the old high end conquest gear turns into bargain bin honor gear that you can grind out in a day or so. I realize people wanna be pretty unique snowflakes but that's what the new gear is for that is your new pedestal prize that you and only the other people who grinned up to rank 50 can wear.

I hate to be so blunt but that's about all I am hearing in this, People are mad that they cannot be the only ones who wear that gear anymore again look at it from the other angles also what about al the high end raiders who had to invest months of time to clear raids to get the best gear in the game and with the new lvl and ability to run it unsynced a group of people can go though and clear it with relative ease

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You literally ignored my entire point to focus on something you've made up that you find easier to argue.

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Originally Posted by Ocyrith

You literally ignored my entire point to focus on something you've made up that you find easier to argue.

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A: how was anything I said made up? So your saying the game has not progressed to where the weekly capped tomes and stuff went to a much easier to obtain non capped currency that anyone could grind out in a day? That is exactly what you are arguing. You had to put time and effort into obtaining something that now anyone can get with no effort IE: what would take someone 2 weeks to get (old poetic capped chest piece) I can now get in a few runs of a raid that takes maybe 15 min max

B: That was about all you said in your post, What everyone starts at rank 1? What does that have to do with anything Or was your point that people will simply do a couple front lines get the 10k to buy the gear with no rank then ditch PVP? Cause guess what I am willing to bet a months sub that those people would of never done PVP to begin with so all its doing is helping your pvp q's by giving you a surge of players who are simply doing it from time to time for the glamour. Is your issue that these "Pve casuals" will ruin your pvp experience by running around playing TDM? Guess what I bet most the people who are even high ranks even do this cause its what they enjoy.

So please explain to me how making some non relevant gear not take a pvp rank is going to kill the pvp, As I have said if anything its only going to help in the long run cause 1 of 2 things are going to happen, The people are gonna play frontlines for a week or so get there gear and be done with it and your glorious pvp will go back to normal or hey who knows maybe those people will do it enjoy it then actually continue to pvp even after to get ranks and get the more relevant gear.

And to your other point, PvP Is not a hook to PvP if a game has shit PvP people will not flock to it and play it just cause it has PvP if that was the case no MMO would fail as they all have PvP, You know what good PvP games actully do thrive? The ones with PvP that is good / has hooks and other interesting things that make you wanna do it and I hate to break it to you but a hook of "Come play our Meh PvP (Cause lets not lie to ourselves the PvP in this game is not the greatest it has allot of issues) for hour and hours on end sitting in endless q's to one day be able to buy a set of gear that is worse in the frontlines you will always be in then the gear you can get in PvE!" Is a pretty shit hook you can say I am wrong all you want but the game itself proves this fact by how you yourself are even fighting how small the actual PvP community is so clearly the pvp can not be that great or else more people would do it.

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Originally Posted by Tensu

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Now you're literally just bringing up points I've already addressed in the previous post.

You said "so what pve progression is like this so pvp progression should be too". I'm telling you it isn't because ranks exist. Now that the prime reason for ranks to exist (because if you're anywhere near halfway decent, you'd know that the other things ranks offer, points for abilities, are nearly useless except for in a few very rare cases) is gone, like I've repeated sixty different times, people will PvP for all of two weeks then leave.

Also it's hilarious that you call the 110 gear non relevant when all pvp gear is irrelevant right now. Morale is useless. All it is is aesthetics. All it was was a beacon to show us that there were PvPers around. Now it's being worn by people like you who don't deserve it, and only care about justifying themselves having because they feel attacked instead of the PvP community as a whole (hey look I can make assumptions on your reasonings too).

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Originally Posted by Tensu

And to your other point, PvP Is not a hook to PvP if a game has shit PvP people will not flock to it and play it just cause it has PvP if that was the case no MMO would fail as they all have PvP, You know what good PvP games actully do thrive?

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Originally Posted by Ocyrith

This happens in every MMO that isn't dedicated PvP. WAR and DAOC had hopping PvP because they were MMOs sold on their PvP premise. Guild Wars as well (not sure about 2). But even WoW has the problem of slow queue times. Of only seeing the same set of people when you hop into a battleground. They literally just introduced a merc system to try to alleviate it.

Most people don't actually like PvP, or if they do, they decide why bother wasting my time waiting around when I can just play Dota2 or something with nearly instant pops?

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Neat.