Because it's unbalanced. Sure, anyone can WIN, but there are a number of scenarios within the system where victory is flatout impossible. Since NPCs have a fixed number of maybe 7 cards and players only get "stronger" by collecting more cards, in addition to the overall random nature of NPCs in the first place, the rules "Order", "Chaos", and "Random" make no difference to the NPC but can cripple the player, ESPECIALLY the last one.Quote:
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In addition there are a few NPCs whose difficulty isn't in sync with the MGP they award, especially any of the aforementioned Random using NPCs who pay out less than 100 MGP yet have basically the same cards as Rowena.
The mentality is the same as raiding, actually: "If victory is impossible for X level of player with Y set-up, then it needs to be changed"
I'm positive most of the NPCs will be unchanged, but there WILL be some that are either given a larger pool of cards, or have stronger cards replaced with weaker ones in order to keep their difficulty in line with their actual payout.
For example, Landenel will probably have Bahamut replaced with a 4 or 3 star card to keep him in line difficulty-wise with other NPCs that yield 53 on victory. My reasoning? Sezul Tuloc has the same payout but has 2 4 star cards, while Landenel not only has a more difficult ruleset to manage, but has a 5 star and a 4 star card.
Please stop asking SE to make FFXIV more easy!
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03-23-2015, 03:27 AMkyuven
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03-23-2015, 03:29 AMSummonerSenah
I'd argue that people that are hardcore will figure out a way to get through everything because that's how they play, but that doesn't mean something doesn't need fixed. Maybe not the best example but someone who does parkour might not notice if the stairs are broken because they always jump to the porch anyway, but it doesn't mean the stairs aren't broken.
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03-23-2015, 03:46 AMSDaemonUtterly convinced you haven't a single clue as to what you are going on a tirade about.Quote:
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03-23-2015, 04:12 AMMonos
The problem is like I said many times before (but some people ignore the facts) that lazy peoples instant reaction is "Nerf" to anything they can't complete or win in a few trys, and that is pathetic.
Fix Triple Triad? Sure good idea, fine by me, fix the MGP rewards, if the NPC is hard, let it give a bit more. But you people ask to Nerf 'em instead arent you?! That's the problem. -
03-23-2015, 04:28 AMraelgunTheir post commented on if people can't handle things or if it stays hard in its end game then the game would lose subs, this has never happened to wow and certainly not the reason why other mmos have been cut down some size.Quote:
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Using examples that currently exist on the market proves that poster wrong, they need to back up their claim and actually state an mmo that has end game that is optional that has lost subs due to its difficulty curve.
Attunements isnt hard, just time consuming, spending time doesnt mean hard, WOW actually gained subs even during tbc era in which fights were somewhat unforgiving, so please tell me, how keeping things harder or in some cases making them harder and by this I mean execution means you will lose subs?, the current market has proved this has not happened.
Wildstar only had a hardcore style, it had little to offer else where, WOW and 14 do. -
03-23-2015, 04:35 AMkyuven"Hard" and "Unfair" are not synonyms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monos
Random rule as used by NPCs is "unfair." Random rule as used by players vs. other players is "hard."
If RNG can overwrite skill, then it is not "hard," it is "unfair"
The reason these NPCs have such small pools is so that we can devise strategies to beat them. You can't devise a good strategy to beat NPCs with Random since you're just as likely to end up with a decent deck as you are with the starter deck. -
03-23-2015, 04:54 AMLemuriaSorry, you kind of killed any credibility when you cited laziness as a reason for Triple Triad being difficult.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monos
It's unlikely that every NPC will get the nerf bat, but it's a simple fact that many of them will crush players because they don't play by normal rules. Unlimited rare cards and limited decks means that anyone with the 'random' rule will still have a fearsome deck while you're stuck with mere 1-star weaklings. The more cards you own, the more watered down your selection becomes, but theirs remains steadfastly tough regardless.
The end result is it's down to luck rather than skill as to whether you win. You have to hope the computer makes a silly mistake to even stand a chance or pray that only your good cards come up. Feel free to check my lodestone, I've beaten every NPC in the game and I'm quite happy with my achievements. That doesn't change the fact that they're unfair opponents and that luck has no place in a game of skill.
Let's make it a skill based game instead of a frustrating grind. -
03-23-2015, 05:14 AMShaneDawn
Omg. This is a Triple Triad thread now? The biggest flaws about the current Triple Triad Systems are the card drops being overly RNG reliant and the NPCs having a bunch of stupid RNG mechanics (random, chaos) paired with the deck lockout. There's nothing hard about the current Triple Triad, there's only RNG and grind, and then some more grind. The FF8 system was so perfect it makes me cringe inside seeing people farm dozens of hours for a single card.
If you think there's anything *hard* in the current Triple Triad system, you're terribly misinformed. Everyone can beat any NPC, it's just a matter of a timeframe when they'll actually get their cards. -
03-23-2015, 05:50 AMHakuroDK
I find a trend that occurs with any MMORPG, and FFXIV is no different. The trend is that hard content gets released. Some people clear it, get bragging rights for clearing it (read: Blue Garter), and then as new content gets released, older hard content becomes gradually easier. "Nerfed" as you would say.
Honestly, I don't think the devs pay any attention when a handful of people say something is too hard. It's usually enough people where SE is like "Oh crap, we have to do something or we could lose a ton of players fast."
I say this as someone who has successfully acquired every single card from every single NPC in the game. Some of those NPCs are really hard and require a LOT of patience and time. Getting Odin from Landenel was especially difficult due to Random Rules with his card pool of, like, 7 vs my card pool of 62. It's not lazy to request that they be toned down a bit.
I think this whole thread represents a clear misunderstanding of how the whole nerfing content process works. It rarely has anything to do with a handful of vocal people saying things like "NERF THIS NOW OR I QUIT!". It more has to do with numbers--which the devs monitor--of how many people clear certain kinds of content. If the number is over projected estimates, they may make content more difficult. If the number is under projected estimates, they may make content easier. Though with SE's trend of content releases, they usually release content on the harder side of things.
Also, just as an aside, if your grammar looks like it comes from the fingers of a child failing fifth grade English, you really don't have much of a right to call anyone else lazy. -
03-23-2015, 06:44 AMCrystenYou've never farmed Rowena, Swift or that asshole down in Camp Tranquil before, have you?Quote:
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