Viera Race "Confirmed" for 5.0! Are you gonna change races?

Does the female child viera look anything like the adult Fran we've already seen?

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Originally Posted by redcurrant18

I don't think that picture of what is obviously a child, shown alongside another female child viera which was cropped out, will look anything like a male viera. According to what we've seen so far, they're rugged loners that are tempered by their time surviving in the wilds. The adult concept art is more similar to what I believe we'll see, perhaps with them having more long haired racial hairstyles being why they might be associated with lion manes.

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The concept art wasn't of children, that was concept art of actual Viera made way before Heavensward.
http://cdn3.dualshockers.com/wp-cont...5-22_23_33.jpg

Male Viera have never shown up in anything before so we have no real idea of what to expect.
Given Yoshi's comments about male Viera being "too cute" that kind of design is may be what the design team are aiming for with the males.
Probably not an actual child-like form but at least something small.

So the "cute" viera are the same ones that shoot first and ask questions later...no sorry. FFXIV race looks are largely based on lifestyle. Roegadyn look the way they do due to physical labor, Elves and Viera are tall forest dwellers, etc. Lalafell for example, don't have that strain and look the way they do since they are primarily merchants or simple farmers. The "big difference" that occurs at their puberty, based on all the evidence I've seen, may be the males getting hairier and buffer, with a stocky lionlike physique due to the physical strain on their bodies. Most likely they will be around the same height as females, but like the Au Ra, they will be wider and appear phyiscally stronger due to their role in Viera society prior to them leaving to adventure outside the forest.

I have 3 change charater items. I took about 1 hour making my charater the 1st time. No need to change.

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Originally Posted by redcurrant18

So the "cute" viera are the same ones that shoot first and ask questions later...no sorry. FFXIV race looks are largely based on lifestyle. Roegadyn look the way they do due to physical labor, Elves and Viera are tall forest dwellers, etc. Lalafell for example, don't have that strain and look the way they do since they are primarily merchants or simple farmers. The "big difference" that occurs at their puberty, based on all the evidence I've seen, may be the males getting hairier and buffer, with a stocky lionlike physique due to the physical strain on their bodies. Most likely they will be around the same height as females, but like the Au Ra, they will be wider and appear phyiscally stronger due to their role in Viera society prior to them leaving to adventure outside the forest.

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I don't have a crystal ball so I don't know what they look like. I just figured that, if Viera are truly the last race, they'd want to offer a different male design in comparison to the other races. Viera are most beast-like than the other races and male Viera have never been seen before so the devs have a lot of a leeway on design.
Though I wouldn't take how a race looks to be the entirety of their background. Xaela are supposed to be some of the strongest of the all races but the girls look like teenagers with porcelain skin. For all we know male Viera are just angry midgets throwing sticks at people.
I won't make any definite claims until they're revealed at fanfest, but given how they were initially rejected for being too similar to Miqo'te it sounds like they'll do something different with their design.

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Originally Posted by redcurrant18

So the "cute" viera are the same ones that shoot first and ask questions later...no sorry. FFXIV race looks are largely based on lifestyle.

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Female Au Ra.

So I do have one thing I'm curious about. It seems that A LOT of people in English speaking areas (or at least the ones that use the English forums and that one subreddit) want male Viera. I wonder how people in Japan and other regions feel. I know they mentioned that Viera were popular worldwide, but I'm curious as to how many folks want bunny boys. And of those that do, I wonder what they'd want them to look like.

The only notable female Au Ra have been a ninja, archer, and a mage. Outside of that there is much room for variety but from what I've seen in Stormblood Xaela females don't really take up roles that place excessive amounts of physical strain on them, unlike the males we've seen. They are the gatherers while males serve as hunters/defenders.

In FFXIV gender roles are a large factor in what the races look like. Viera males, Au ra males, Roegadyn males=all confrontational and associated with high physical demands. Viera and Roegadyn females are also fierce and thus they also have a strong physique. Both male and female Lalafells lead fairly tranquil lives, so both of them reflect this. Who knows, maybe the Rava Viera will be tall and strong like Fran, but the Veera Viera will be smaller and paler like the Feol Viera. Other than that I don't see how else they could add cutesy Viera.

I definitely want male and female viera to be added in the game, but I would personally prefer playing a more masculine/rugged looking viera male as opposed to a more feminine looking one. If I wanted to play a cute feminine character, I would play a female and not male.

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Originally Posted by stormygabe

So I do have one thing I'm curious about. It seems that A LOT of people in English speaking areas (or at least the ones that use the English forums and that one subreddit) want male Viera. I wonder how people in Japan and other regions feel. I know they mentioned that Viera were popular worldwide, but I'm curious as to how many folks want bunny boys. And of those that do, I wonder what they'd want them to look like.

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One of the other concept art for male viera showed them as looking pretty large and muscular. Once we saw that they have Fran I altered my own character to show what I am hoping the male counterpart looks like. Personally I'm hoping to get something like the female elezen and male highlander frames as the basis of the size and builds for the two sexes. I'll be disappointed if what we actually get is basically Miquotes with different ears.

It would be pretty funny if the big ones are the females and the small ones are the males, or something like that. I wouldn't be averse to playing a male if they looked big, and strong, but not too big.

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Originally Posted by redcurrant18

The only notable female Au Ra have been a ninja, archer, and a mage. Outside of that there is much room for variety but from what I've seen in Stormblood Xaela females don't really take up roles that place excessive amounts of physical strain on them, unlike the males we've seen. They are the gatherers while males serve as hunters/defenders.

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No, Xaela women in lore and sidequests are presented as warriors, with some tribes being all female and others tribes where females are the hunters/protectors and males to do the child rearing and house work. Even in the main Oronir camp the two famed wrestlers of the tribe are both females, and you're supposed to accept that two 5 foot nothing girls can go toe to toe with 7 foot tall warriors.

Though I’d much (muchmuchmuchmuch) prefer larger bunnies for both genders, if SE was fine with the ridiculousness of tiny anime waifus being “dangerous”, I don't think tiny deadly bunnies of the forest are too outrageous.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

One of the other concept art for male viera showed them as looking pretty large and muscular. Once we saw that they have Fran I altered my own character to show what I am hoping the male counterpart looks like. Personally I'm hoping to get something like the female elezen and male highlander frames as the basis of the size and builds for the two sexes. I'll be disappointed if what we actually get is basically Miquotes with different ears.

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I'm actually on the other end of that spectrum lol. I'm hoping for leaner dudes. I wouldn't mind if they were tall, but I wouldn't want them to be really big like highlanders.

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Originally Posted by stormygabe

I'm actually on the other end of that spectrum lol. I'm hoping for leaner dudes. I wouldn't mind if they were tall, but I wouldn't want them to be really big like highlanders.

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While unlikely, it's always possible they use different mesh frames for the two races of Viera. If they're based off the existing lore, the more wild Viera match the ones I described, while the more domestic Viera, especially those who were born and lived in the cities, are leaner with smaller ears. I've stated that would please both audiences for the race, though given all the extra work that would take, I'd be surprised if that's what they actually do. We'll have to wait and see.....

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Originally Posted by redcurrant18

Lalafell for example, don't have that strain and look the way they do since they are primarily merchants or simple farmers.

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Got to ask, have you done farming (let alone lawn or garden care)? As in dirt digging, weeding, trenching, planting, and etc? That stuff is physically intense work when its done manually. Your other examples could work, but I think this one falls a bit short. I think the idea of a simple farmer being some quaint person who puts on an apron and tends to the carrots in the flower garden is a fanciful idea of what one is rather than what simple farmers actually are.

But Anywyas, why dont we just have a split, you know like Hyur does? Bigger Viera are one sub race, smaller cuter being the other. Gives the maximum range for waht people want.

You want that Amazonian or semi buff/tall Spartan, theres one subrace for that, and you want the more cutesy/small versions, therell be another subrace. Works out for everyone with minor reservations here and there.

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

Got to ask, have you done farming (let alone lawn or garden care)? As in dirt digging, weeding, trenching, planting, and etc? That stuff is physically intense work when its done manually. Your other examples could work, but I think this one falls a bit short. I think the idea of a simple farmer being some quaint person who puts on an apron and tends to the carrots in the flower garden is a fanciful idea of what one is rather than what simple farmers actually are.

But Anywyas, why dont we just have a split, you know like Hyur does? Bigger Viera are one sub race, smaller cuter being the other. Gives the maximum range for waht people want.

You want that Amazonian or semi buff/tall Spartan, theres one subrace for that, and you want the more cutesy/small versions, therell be another subrace. Works out for everyone with minor reservations here and there.

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Lol I think people forget that even simple gardening is hard work. I have a bunch of container plants that feel like a full gym day after I'm done tending them.

I'm all for that kind of division. Makes more people happy and adds some fun variation to the races.

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Originally Posted by redcurrant18

I don't think that picture of what is obviously a child, shown alongside another female child viera which was cropped out, will look anything like a male viera. According to what we've seen so far, they're rugged loners that are tempered by their time surviving in the wilds. The adult concept art is more similar to what I believe we'll see, perhaps with them having more long haired racial hairstyles being why they might be associated with lion manes.

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I agree. How anyone can look at that art and not see the proposed child design of the race is beyond me. I know many would like a reverse of the Aura sexual dimorphism in regaerds to the genders. However it should be tempered if only a little. Those are children plain and simple. I can understand the appeal of neotenous features, I have campaigned for it before. Given the art that was showcased and the fact all but the Rogadyn have child models (who should never be made playable), i truly feel the adult color swap is what we are getting.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

I agree. How anyone can look at that art and not see the proposed child design of the race is beyond me.

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Because that's not what it was presented as. It was among other concept art and was proposed as Lalafellish version of Viera.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

I agree. How anyone can look at that art and not see the proposed child design of the race is beyond me. I know many would like a reverse of the Aura sexual dimorphism in regaerds to the genders. However it should be tempered if only a little. Those are children plain and simple. I can understand the appeal of neotenous features, I have campaigned for it before. Given the art that was showcased and the fact all but the Rogadyn have child models (who should never be made playable), i truly feel the adult color swap is what we are getting.

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I think they were meant to be the smol bun concept. Small and cute does not equate to child every single time- Lalafell would not exist in this game if it did. We would know they were adults by how they acted rather than how they looked.

Like I said before I'm happy they're being added regardless, but I really want a Viera male option to be cute like the concept art. I'll be kind of disappointed if we get Male Highlander with bunny ears x2 since we already have enough tall and masculine options. Whether it's reverse Au Ra dimorphism or just a small clan, I don't care much. But I'd love to be shorter and leaner (around female Au Ra sized).

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Originally Posted by Alacran

I agree. How anyone can look at that art and not see the proposed child design of the race is beyond me. I know many would like a reverse of the Aura sexual dimorphism in regaerds to the genders. However it should be tempered if only a little. Those are children plain and simple. I can understand the appeal of neotenous features, I have campaigned for it before. Given the art that was showcased and the fact all but the Rogadyn have child models (who should never be made playable), i truly feel the adult color swap is what we are getting.

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I am of this mind, they have the same structure as the miqo'te children.
And I want the dimorphism to be stronk woman and tender man, not grown woman and literal child.

I think it just would be odd if male viera are small
Females are amazons and males are ewoks?

If a Viera goes to the Limsa housing area, do they have permanent Berserk status until they leave?

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Originally Posted by Berteaux_Braumegain

If a Viera goes to the Limsa housing area, do they have permanent Berserk status until they leave?

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From a biological standpoint - Viera males must be adapted for harsh outdoor living conditions due to selective pressure put upon them by their own societal rules. Viera men must be strong and agile or else they do not survive their period of training under another Viera male master or their later isolation. A small and tender male Viera akin to a cute Lalafell cannot fulfill this role. Remember, they also live in jungles and shouldn't be small enough to be preyed upon by smaller monsters which we know have preyed on Lalafell in the past. However, that's not to say that as a child they can't look similar to females because of the period leading up to puberty.

At the end of the day people who want to play male characters should be able to have masculine features within the race, and should definitely look more masculine than their feminine counterparts. A tall amazonian warrior type such as Fran cannot have a childlike male as her counterpart. That just looks weird especially considering the gender roles the game has already assigned to them. Also, the only main difference between the two clans is skin color, leading us to believe that the males of each will likely be similar to each other. Besides, since this is a more bestial race we could probably diversify the character creator with more animalistic features and facial hair patterns, like Miquote have.

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Originally Posted by redcurrant18

From a biological standpoint - Viera males must be adapted for harsh outdoor living conditions due to selective pressure put upon them by their own societal rules. Viera men must be strong and agile or else they do not survive their period of training under another Viera male master or their later isolation. A small and tender male Viera akin to a cute Lalafell cannot fulfill this role. Remember, they also live in jungles and shouldn't be small enough to be preyed upon by smaller monsters which we know have preyed on Lalafell in the past. However, that's not to say that as a child they can't look similar to females because of the period leading up to puberty.

At the end of the day people who want to play male characters should be able to have masculine features within the race, and should definitely look more masculine than their feminine counterparts. A tall amazonian warrior type such as Fran cannot have a childlike male as her counterpart. That just looks weird especially considering the gender roles the game has already assigned to them. Also, the only main difference between the two clans is skin color, leading us to believe that the males of each will likely be similar to each other. Besides, since this is a more bestial race we could probably diversify the character creator with more animalistic features and facial hair patterns, like Miquote have.

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Why are you trying so hard to apply IRL biology to a game that clearly only cares about it as far as it matches the aesthetic it wants to present?

Lalafells have the same walk/run speed, same jumping height, and same capacity for physical damage as Roes. Dainty little Au Ra girls from isolated communities under the sea are just as fearsome and brutally strong as the most hardened Highlander from Ala Mhigo. And if those amazonian Viera women can't have small male mates, what the hell is up with the Au Ra? Pipin would be able to rough any of us the heck up and he barely reaches above my knee- would you consider telling him he wouldn't be able to survive outdoors because of how cute his race is? In short the lore takes inspiration from real life- it doesn't always abide by the reality we live in.

If you don't want small bunny boys as an option that's fine, no one would force you to use it. I myself would love to have a cute male that isn't a potato or a Midlander with cat ears. I'm not really into hypermasculinity or looking definitively like a dude in all circumstances, and seeing as we have an abundance of unmistakably male options with all the good variants of "tall and manly" represented, "small and slim" is a fine niche to fill with a subrace option.

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Originally Posted by redcurrant18

From a biological standpoint - Viera males must be adapted for harsh outdoor living conditions due to selective pressure put upon them by their own societal rules. Viera men must be strong and agile or else they do not survive their period of training under another Viera male master or their later isolation. A small and tender male Viera akin to a cute Lalafell cannot fulfill this role. Remember, they also live in jungles and shouldn't be small enough to be preyed upon by smaller monsters which we know have preyed on Lalafell in the past. However, that's not to say that as a child they can't look similar to females because of the period leading up to puberty.

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Funny you mention that. We already have a race which; are able to run long distances, have adapted to living in harsh conditions such as deserts and prairies, use their long ears to listen for would-be predators and prey and have taken rigorous customs for survival (i.e. poisoning their drinks to build up a tolerance).
Do you know what race that is?

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...alafell_CG.png

What's wrong with male Viera being like vorpal bunnies? Small, cute but omg will it kill you.

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Originally Posted by redcurrant18

From a biological standpoint - Viera males must be adapted for harsh outdoor living conditions due to selective pressure put upon them by their own societal rules. Viera men must be strong and agile or else they do not survive their period of training under another Viera male master or their later isolation. A small and tender male Viera akin to a cute Lalafell cannot fulfill this role. Remember, they also live in jungles and shouldn't be small enough to be preyed upon by smaller monsters which we know have preyed on Lalafell in the past. However, that's not to say that as a child they can't look similar to females because of the period leading up to puberty.

At the end of the day people who want to play male characters should be able to have masculine features within the race, and should definitely look more masculine than their feminine counterparts. A tall amazonian warrior type such as Fran cannot have a childlike male as her counterpart. That just looks weird especially considering the gender roles the game has already assigned to them. Also, the only main difference between the two clans is skin color, leading us to believe that the males of each will likely be similar to each other. Besides, since this is a more bestial race we could probably diversify the character creator with more animalistic features and facial hair patterns, like Miquote have.

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1, that's not how sapient evolution works? You can be small and pretty and still be smart enough to survive. You don't have to have a mean-looking aesthetic to be able to survive on your own. With this logic, female xaela wouldn't look like tiny waifus.
2, being "soft" is not unmasculine. A man can still be masculine without looking like an angry bear.

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Originally Posted by redcurrant18

From a biological standpoint - Viera males must be adapted for harsh outdoor living conditions due to selective pressure put upon them by their own societal rules. Viera men must be strong and agile or else they do not survive their period of training under another Viera male master or their later isolation. A small and tender male Viera akin to a cute Lalafell cannot fulfill this role. Remember, they also live in jungles and shouldn't be small enough to be preyed upon by smaller monsters which we know have preyed on Lalafell in the past. However, that's not to say that as a child they can't look similar to females because of the period leading up to puberty.

At the end of the day people who want to play male characters should be able to have masculine features within the race, and should definitely look more masculine than their feminine counterparts. A tall amazonian warrior type such as Fran cannot have a childlike male as her counterpart. That just looks weird especially considering the gender roles the game has already assigned to them. Also, the only main difference between the two clans is skin color, leading us to believe that the males of each will likely be similar to each other. Besides, since this is a more bestial race we could probably diversify the character creator with more animalistic features and facial hair patterns, like Miquote have.

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Lots of "shoulds" here. First, this is a fantasy race. Second, this is a Japanese game. The standards of masculinity are different than we have here in the west. Just because Fran is amazonian doesn't mean her male counterpart HAS to look like he-man. If you've seen any actual jungle tribes in the real world, the men generally have a leaner look. Finally, a lot of people who play male characters probably want the more bishi look. It's not even that hard to make a character like that look tough. Toughness doesn't necessarily equate to beefiness. If I were stuck in the wild I'd take a weedy 5ft. 4in. wilderness genius over a 6ft. 3in. bodybuilder who only knows his way around a gym.

Yes, sorry to burst your bubble but evolution does work this way. I just like to back up my thinking with logic. There is significantly higher selection pressure put on males and drives them to physical extremes (think Au Ra males compared to females) because these traits are associated with long term evolutionary fitness and being able to keep passing on genes throughout their generations. There are lots of examples of these traits in nature, such as lion manes, peacock feathers, and even fish coloration. It takes more energy to produce these traits, which means the male is more adept at acquiring resources, which helps them later in reproduction.

If female Viera are looking like Fran, it only makes sense for males to look either close to or more masculine than her. This is a general trend in biology especially in certain species, which FFXIV has cast as predators in the jungle instead of weak bunny people that hide from dangerous animals. Instead, they are confrontational and extremely difficult to dominate. Having a cutesy or childlike male next to what we've seen looks bizzare and awkward. Of course a cute/ less rugged face for males should be available as an option - but the body type as a whole should not be physically inferior to Viera females.

No worries, my bubble remains thoroughly unburst.
Let's unpack this.
Lions' manes? Evolved to be sexy. No practical application for the hunt.
Peacocks? Evolved to be sexy. Minimal actual drag for flight, requiring little to no strength difference to compensate compared to the females.
Fish? Evolved to be sexy. Can still use camouflage and cover to evade prey.
Following this logic Viera men should be the prettiest boyes ever. And I agree. Graceful curves, longer ears, bright colors for hair and dazzling patterns on their skin. It is definitely an interesting dimorphism, reminds me of Wildstar's Aurin.

If I wanted to join you in this cherrypicking animal examples (and oh boy do I):
They could be like hyenas, where the females are bigger, stronger, and have a bigger member than the males. Kick out their male offspring once they mature. Only hang out with mature males when they want to mate. Sounds familiar.
Or like bald eagles, a large brown and white species of bird, whose males are 2/3 the size of the females.
Or like angler fish, where the females are wildly larger and more vicious looking than their males (not to mention their absolutely bonkers reproductive strategy. Oh viera bang once every five years? Try once, but it's going on until you die.)

And another thing to consider: They're not beasts. They're sapient beings who know how to make and use tools to aid in their survival. They don't need to be hulking beasts to survive in the wild fighting threats head on.
Honestly, being solitary creatures in a dense wooded area, being hard to find unless they want to be found, it makes more sense for them to be small and unassuming to aid in their stealth. Hunting and killing intruders by ambush, then ducking away into the underbrush. Smart predators are opportunistic, and being of human or higher intelligence, they can utilize tools, traps, and magic to cover up for being less physically imposing than a jaguar and reap all the benefits of being small and stealthy.

And also, let's get this straight, I do not want kidboy viera males. It's creepy and bad.
That being said, not being more physically imposing than the females does not mean that they are "less masculine" than the females. They can be smaller and still be plenty masculine. Height and muscle mass does not a man make.

Its a fictional rabbit species dont need logic of real life species
But id like them to equal in a sense

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Originally Posted by Hestzhyen

Like I said before I'm happy they're being added regardless, but I really want a Viera male option to be cute like the concept art. I'll be kind of disappointed if we get Male Highlander with bunny ears x2 since we already have enough tall and masculine options. Whether it's reverse Au Ra dimorphism or just a small clan, I don't care much. But I'd love to be shorter and leaner (around female Au Ra sized).

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If we were also getting cute female Viera similar to that concept art, the cute males would be fine. But I think they would look very out of place next to someone like Fran.

Au Ra have really different proportions but they are still broadly in the "semi-realistic human face" design that all the races follow (including Fran), except Lalafell which are more cartoony. The small Viera concept art seems like it would be implemented somewhere in the middle of those two styles - and I would definitely like to see something fill that gap. But not just male Viera being cute while the females are in the more realistic style.

And as has already been discussed, I feel like the currently described "Wood-Warder" lore for male Viera sounds like it would suit a taller, stronger character design. It might not be biologically required, but it's the sort of image that description calls up.

I wanted to add this last thing. (Who am I kidding Imma be all over these threads until 5.0 comes out. Ugh...) To me, I never thought of the Viera as these Amazonian warrior women. They always felt more like mystical elves of the forest. Yeah, they had their warriors, but they used bows iirc. (I KNOW bows actually require strength, but like the comment before this one suggested, it's a design thing. Bows "feel" like lighter weapons.) Yeah, they're tall, but I'm not sure where the impression came from that they were Wonder Woman but with more height. So with the duder bunners, I think they could be tough elf duders. (This is my wishful thinking anyway.) But I guess we'll just have to see. Hopefully we'll get something that's a decent compromise.

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Originally Posted by redcurrant18

Yes, sorry to burst your bubble but evolution does work this way.

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And here is already the problem. We got lore wise, information about Male and Female Viera.
Until the age of 13, you cant know if a Viera is male or female.
And we also dont know if female Viera get a huge growth boost and if male stay small. Yet we can only assume that all kid-Viera's have to reach a certain height and look neutral so that you cannot know which gender is which.

It's important to me that they don't *just* make them cutesy anime girls like they did with the Au Ra, however I'm absolutely fine with one of the clan options being small and cute.

There's a very interesting conversation about evolution going on here. I'm not a fan of the argument of "it's fantasy, it doesn't have to make sense". Of course, there's a degree of suspension of disbelief, but if stuff can make as much sense as possible the better to me.

That being said, evolution is a relatively unpredictable thing. There are certain "trends", but "sexual selection" is a huuuge component. As a paleontologist, I can tell that everytime my colleagues find a species with a very weird structure in the body, whose function we can't determine and that only seems to cause problems to the animal, we assume at first that it most likely is the result of sexual selection.

That's how peacocks develop their huge "tails". Sure, it probably has some secondary applications like appearing bigger to intimidate other animals, but the cons definitely outweight the pros. How did such a troublesome structure evolve then? Well, because peahens really like their peacocks with big tails and will choose to mate with those, passing those genes lol

And it kinda makes sense if you look at it in human terms. The male is basically like "see this huge tail? It gets stuck in branches of the forests we live in, it makes it easier for a tiger to catch me, and if it gets wet with the rain, it weights me down so I most likely can't fly that well... yet I'm still alive. That's how good I am at surviving... and those are genes I can give to your offspring *wink* "

In this case, it can make sense for the male Vieras to be smaller ESPECIALLY if that's a handicap. A handicap can evolve if the females of that species find it attractive enough.

I would be fine with a smaller male, as it would give something unique to this race that a lot of people are already complaining is too similar to other races. That being said, I'm not particularly fan of the child-like male if the female is not child-like as well. But if it's the size of an average male Miqo'te (who are relatively short males, in comparison to the males of other races) or slightly shorter, it would work for me, since Fran is already Elezen sized.

But I still like the apparently tall males presented in the concept art. All this lore associated with that art makes the male Viera look really badass (which is something that I never thought would be the case with a race of bunny people) and I think it could be cool too if they were the tallest males of all the races (even if not the bulkiest), even with relatively soft or "elf-like" faces.

I'm very disappointed we are getting the fran type and not the small cutesy kind from the concept art. I suppose it's easier to fit gear on the fran type if they are using the elezen model so less work. At least I can save money on fantasia now.

Some time ago there was an video of two characters having a sparing match atop the palm of Rhalgar. The debate then was a group of people thought that the female fighter was a tease of a possible new job, even though her animation, use of skills, and character had already clearly been established within the games lore and continuity.
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/Everlastin...restricted.gif
(FFXIV SB teaser)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAobb8_SzHY

Point being, people saw what they wanted see and let their imaginations run wild.

We have had within the same concept art many designs, some even more bestial than others.

https://66.media.tumblr.com/bb8f66bf...ju6o2_1280.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ec/e7...cc88216ca5.jpg

http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/tekitou_m...e/be38de92.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/KOYXK46.jpg

http://cdn4.dualshockers.com/wp-cont.../04/Viera1.jpg

I don't get the reason for debate. We are seeing male Viera in the concept art right here. Why the discussion?

Lets look at Fran.
(FFXIV)
https://i.imgur.com/Oi0YVp0.png

https://i.imgur.com/LumpeGK.png

https://i.imgur.com/ZduDdch.png

(FFXII)
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20100419040743

http://i.imgur.com/JhbHHYG.jpg

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...h-prefix=pt-br

I say these are very nearly one for one copies of each other, why then should so much work be done to realize her race in the game, would they not use the already proposed adult art that best fits the established build of that same race?

Maybe because they could pull a hyur with them and have them be both. We won't know until EU fan fest at the earliest as normally that's when tshirt hint from NA fanfest gets elaborated on. Along with the fact that outside of concept art we don't have anything visual info on how a male will look like.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

I don't get the reason for debate. We are seeing male Viera in the concept art right here. Why the discussion?

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Because we have a month of nothing until the next Fanfest. It's fun to debate.