Possible level/story jumps....really?

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Originally Posted by Voltyblast

That's a major reason why most players won't bother with the game to begin with: why bother with the expansion, if you need to play the entirety of the previous game JUST to unlock it? Other games don't do it, even SWTOR which is story driven. I do like campaigns and story modes in mmorpg, but not when they lock gameplay stuff. Keep the story, don't remove it, because I do like having an objective even if I don't care about it, but don't lock everything behind it: you won't incite new players to join if this is how things go.
And that's why I'm concerned about the potion, because we're only one expansion in and they're already going for a story skip potion: that's not a good sign, but it shows that there are people who want to play, but are discouraged by the story lock. That's what I mean by making the story optional: don't remove it, make it important, but don't lock content or basic things behind it and you'll get people who want to play. I don't think this is hard stuff to do, but considering they want to do a potion instead, it proves one of two things: 1) They're lazy 2)They want to take profit from it.

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I think having the idea what I mentioned before with how NPCs would act differently depending if you've done the story or not would be a great idea. This will allow full access to areas and classes/jobs and other features that would normally be locked behind the MSQs.

I feel like I'm understanding what you mean now compared to before and I'm sorry if I came/come across harsh or stubborn I just get passionate about games I really enjoy (like most people).

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Originally Posted by bass9020

I feel like I'm understanding what you mean now compared to before and I'm sorry if I came/come across harsh or stubborn I just get passionate about games I really enjoy (like most people).

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Just like I am, although not on the same way as you do, but I'm passionate about the game as well. If I didn't care about the game, you wouldn't be seeing me here to begin with. The fact that I'm not a fan of this series gives me also somewhat of a better judgement, because I'm not clouded by its name. Heck I love the persona games, much more than Final Fantasy, but even I can see issues when there are (infact persona 4 is my least favourite of the persona games because of some design choices)

And I suppose that would work, as long as content can be accessed without the mandatory requirement of a story to do it. I mean, the 3 new jobs didn't need a lock to begin with: almost all of their class stories are basically in old ARR zones.
But at this point I have doubts that the potion will be scrapped: it's like the retainers at this point, lots of cash for basic stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if one day they'll sell a relic potion (someone else made a joke about that) or more stuff like this.

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Originally Posted by Voltyblast

That's a major reason why most players won't bother with the game to begin with: why bother with the expansion, if you need to play the entirety of the previous game JUST to unlock it? Other games don't do it, even SWTOR which is story driven. I do like campaigns and story modes in mmorpg, but not when they lock gameplay stuff. Keep the story, don't remove it, because I do like having an objective even if I don't care about it, but don't lock everything behind it: you won't incite new players to join if this is how things go.

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To be fair, even WoW before WoD expansion required you to go through the leveling process of 1-80 before you could get to the new content. FFXIV is the same, except that leveling process is through the MSQ. It's atrociously longer (and much more tedious if story isn't your cup to tea to begin with) when the MSQ process mostly devolves to fetch quests, and double that with post 2.0 MSQ being a requirement as well, so it's not just the leveling but the story progression as well (which...includes the aforementioned fetch quests).

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

To be fair, even WoW before WoD expansion required you to go through the leveling process of 1-80 before you could get to the new content. FFXIV is the same, except that leveling process is through the MSQ. It's atrociously longer (and much more tedious if story isn't your cup to tea to begin with) when the MSQ process mostly devolves to fetch quests, and double that with post 2.0 MSQ being a requirement as well, so it's not just the leveling but the story progression as well (which...includes the aforementioned fetch quests).

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Levels are fine, that's quite a normal lock to have: it's like when they introduced death knights in WoW back then and you were required to have at least a 55 class before making one, but that's a reasonable requirement.

But for entering HW you're still required to complete dozens upon dozens of quests, and only a few of them are really necessary or any interesting, and this is quite an old arguement too, even before the expansion came out (heck, my friend even got harassed for this while in-game). If the MSQ was shorter and more streamlined (like, it takes only a few hours to complete), then it would be "better" than what we have now. A friend of mine recently finished her MSQ a couple of months ago and she really got bored of doing it (she got more fun checking the plotholes and the inconsistencies of the story).

So while they are theorically the same, the additional MSQ after 50 is the real culprit here as it gives an additional lock alongside your level, without mentioning that you're also unable to obtain those new jobs that the HW trailers made sure to look forward to. Quite the bait if I have to say so myself. And no, I have the retail copy with me right beside me, nothing is mentioned about a story lock. A new player buying this would have an unexpected surprise when reaching 50 for the first time.

And again, since they're "planning" a potion to skip this specific part of the game, there is some concern about it: if they saw no issues with it, we wouldn't be here talking about it and probably even got a story lock for 3.0.

You literally have to beat Realm Reborn to touch HW, even then, you have a bunch of potatoe quest afterwards you have to do before once again you can touch HW. Mind you I'm a big Final fantasy fan and the story is great but I feel like they gave too much "filler" in the end before the actual start of the quest.

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Originally Posted by Fumbi

You literally have to beat Realm Reborn to touch HW, even then, you have a bunch of potatoe quest afterwards you have to do before once again you can touch HW. Mind you I'm a big Final fantasy fan and the story is great but I feel like they gave too much "filler" in the end before the actual start of the quest.

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3.1-3.3 is nothing like 2.1-2.5 so they learned to keep fetch quests mostly out. And I'm sure 4.0 will be no different.

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Originally Posted by bass9020

3.1-3.3 is nothing like 2.1-2.5 so they learned to keep fetch quests mostly out. And I'm sure 4.0 will be no different.

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ugh if new main story becomes like how job quests are now there really wont be much msq "welp im locked for 2 levels in story better go grind some FATES"

I am a strong believer of "if you try please everyone you please no one" I'm not good at business nor will I pretend to be but it's not like Square Enix is a poor company sure FFXIV has tons of asset recycling from past titles but it's an MMO more important stuff should take priority over redesigning new enemies to fit Eorzea's world but I digress. Final Fantasy fans will continue supporting the game for as long as they wish where as the people complaining about FF tropes probably only play because they're waiting for legion to come out and I hear it all the time in Limsa as well on my server really annoying ><

Maybe for the next expansion they should leave the level cap is to help with catch up. Keep going about not adding filler stuff that has no place in a FF game. (fluff is fine here and there, like the stuff with Tataru just don't drag it out to extreme levels of tedium, other FF games usually have their fluffy filler moments over and done with in 10 minutes to keep the pacing going) I'm being selfish I know but I'd rather this game continue being story driven because this is our adventure as a Warrior of Light in Eorzea who is impacting the world we live in. If this game has a drastic change to appease a small vocal minority I'll admit FFXIV was never for me and I'll move on.

I wont be moving to WoW either and asking it to be like FFXIV. I hate World of Warcraft and western RPG's in general and admit those games aren't for me but I wouldn't go on Blizzards forums to demand change.

well i could kinda understand if it's an alt on your account and you meet requirements current story finished on at least one character but giving new players a free pass at the cost of say 60 to 90$ to reach current content is bullshit we all had to do the story if we wanted to get access to content so they should too if they are just starting out. The last thing we need is more people with their head up their ass like the elitists/perfectionists who think their top shit just cuzz they paid money to get to level 60 content only to run content and fail cause they don't know their class/job then try to blame others for the wipes. If they are just starting out then they can learn their job and do the story like the rest of us did. Devteam we know your reading this please do not turn this into another world of warcraft it defeats the purpose if a person is new to the game

I read that the new people who level skip in WOW to 80 didn't know how to play and made the dungeons runs worse, the community got more toxic with bad player not knowing their role. FF14 already has this problem and assuming they will release the lvl potion with the next expansion as a bonus (just like other MMO's) duty finder will fill with people not knowing their rotations. Clear parties in party finder will be 100% wipe parties for EX raids because the new guys who paid their way to the top will be far worse than a person learning a fight with a class they now how to play. Most likely the lvl 60 potion people will be DPS to hide the fact that they suck because spotting a new lvl 60 tank or healer is easy.

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Originally Posted by LalafellDown

I read that the new people who level skip in WOW to 80 didn't know how to play and made the dungeons runs worse, the community got more toxic with bad player not knowing their role. FF14 already has this problem and assuming they will release the lvl potion with the next expansion as a bonus (just like other MMO's) duty finder will fill with people not knowing their rotations. Clear parties in party finder will be 100% wipe parties for EX raids because the new guys who paid their way to the top will be far worse than a person learning a fight with a class they now how to play. Most likely the lvl 60 potion people will be DPS to hide the fact that they suck because spotting a new lvl 60 tank or healer is easy.

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People will tell you that since we already have bads now it won't matter if we have bads with a level potion. :/

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Originally Posted by bass9020

People will tell you that since we already have bads now it won't matter if we have bads with a level potion. :/

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That's when you have to pick one of the less evils. Rather have a bad player who played the game for a while, or a new player at 60 with 100% no idea what they are doing.

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Originally Posted by bass9020

People will tell you that since we already have bads now it won't matter if we have bads with a level potion. :/

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Well, that situation certainly won't improve with the proposed potion...

Just going to leave this here....

4. A lot of people are assuming that the 3.x cycle is going to mimic 2.x and end with Patch 3.5. Is this the plan? Can you tell us what patch you plan on ending with?

The official answer has not been revealed yet (laugh).

If we were to announce it, people would start debating about when the next expansion pack will be released. It will be heavily linked to the main scenario, so if you could please stand by until Fan Festival for more information (smile).

source- http://gamerescape.com/2016/08/01/e3...oshida-part-2/

Leveling potions would be shit in this game. Get 1 class to level cap for $100. Yeah no.

Instead of a potion, add a optional leveling path, one which ignores all filler quests and focus only the important MSQ quests.

An option to streamline 2.X so it can be run through over a weekend of semi-determined play would be alright, maybe even make it the default and have an NPC knocking about who can activate 'archive' mode or 'new game+' for people who want to run through the entire story in its original form.

A paid for leveling potion that skips huge chunks of story is a terrible idea. Paying for levels is bad full stop actually.

Sounds like they'd be giving the players choices to skip the story to progress to later content......Don't see the wrong in it. If its the fact that some players E-Peen will be offended I can see why players would be against this, but if there's nothing giving the players a higher chance than others I don't see why this would be a problem. Players can skip parts of the story they were attracted to from all the trailers (looking at the Heavensward one) and play with their friends. SE mentioned a while back players felt discouraged when invited by their veteran friends not being able to run content with them. It may help keep players during their first few days of playing instead of the "traditional" MMO binge. Not sure what I'd call it.

Oh, and story isn't always what players come for.

Make it like WoW, as I heard, their names are in red so everyone know they bought their lvls, easy to know what to do next...

the idea to have to skip old content leaves me kind of half half.

I dont care personally if people start mid, end or begining, they dont play the game for me, they play it for themselves from this, anyone does what suits them.


No, what preoccupies me more is this: forcing new people to start from ARR and go through everything is certainly good if not necessary for various reasons BUT there is a huge BUT. How long is it going to take them to level and reach then end ? or rather catch up with the rest of us?

Dungeons for old contents are already now currently taking forever, try to do a primal and you will see how long it takes (even a Void Ark takes forever), besides nobody or very few (not enough at that) will help those new comers to content that is far far far far behind for those that took it from start. So what then ? we will have a frustrated playerbase not able to progress because nobody is there. Is that better then starting mid-way ? I Wonder.

Because of this, I would rather prefer see the game live, even if some flaws, then having no new blood because being adamant on locking it behind some mandatory stuff and have the game *die* sort of kind of.

Levelling potions? up to a certain level? why not ? what does it matter to you, me whoever if someone uses it ? it already exists even if in a lesser way, 3% exp increase, increased exp in roulettes, PoTD, you name it, would that really be a problem?. For some, no matter how good/skilled you are you will anyway be a bad/unskilled.

The only thing that I would like to see changed, like some suggested, to give access to classes that are currently available only in Ishgard from the regular cities of ARR. Anything else, doesnt really matter as far as I am concerned. Time changes, the game has evolved.

Other potential solution, a wholetogether new storyline that people can take Midway wihtout needing the previous knowledge,why not ?

Just some thoughts really.

It would have to happen one day anyways. There would be so many MS quests that no one would be able to keep their sanity while going trough them, especially when half of them are filler fetch quests. So I support this no matter how bad it will get for us.. we need to expand. :D

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Originally Posted by Celef

Make it like WoW, as I heard, their names are in red so everyone know they bought their lvls, easy to know what to do next...

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Vote kick for red people, AHOU AHOU AHOU

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Can't believe that Yoshi even think about that kind of system ....

I am not for this but if the missions were streamlined a bit that would be nice. For instance: Go kill x number of that and get back, go get tea leaves for this person so they can have tea and tell you what to do, run over there and inspect that thing then run to the tower over there then come back to me.

I can't say I would be sad to see some of this go by the way side. Jump potions would be horrible but streamlining the story missions pre HW would be great.

With an endgame this bland, I was actually thankful for them giving us a fairly interesting and epic story (for a MMO).
If players were to skip that story they would lose interest in the game even faster than now.

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Originally Posted by Watachy

Vote kick for red people, AHOU AHOU AHOU

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Can we get the hole and the cute leather pants that goes along ? :3
If they wanna buy their level fine their loss after all, but we should not be forced to play with people that do not know their job because of laziness :/ You can have difficulties to play your role but as long as you try, i'm ok and willing to help but buying a 60, sorry but that is just willing for instant gratification.

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Originally Posted by Celef

Can we get the hole and the cute leather pants that goes along ? :3
If they wanna buy their level fine their loss after all, but we should not be forced to play with people that do not know their job because of laziness :/ You can have difficulties to play your role but as long as you try, i'm ok and willing to help but buying a 60, sorry but that is just willing for instant gratification.

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There is already way too many lazy people that level others jobs and doesn't know/want to learn the basic rotations (in DPS case) in my opinion. That will just make me even more mad when people will "it's a game let me play the way i want to". Yeah fine and I want to down that dungeon/boss i have to do with you T_T

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Originally Posted by Watachy

There is already way too many lazy people that level others jobs and doesn't know/want to learn the basic rotations (in DPS case) in my opinion. That will just make me even more mad when people will "it's a game let me play the way i want to". Yeah fine and I want to down that dungeon/boss i have to do with you T_T

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Which is why, if they added such a thing, we should be abble to identify who bought what.

Edit : nothing to do with the rest but what is that thing your toon as in her hairs Watachy ? looks nice but can't recognize what it is

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Originally Posted by Celef

Which is why, if they added such a thing, we should be abble to identify who bought what.

Edit : nothing to do with the rest but what is that thing your toon as in her hairs Watachy ? looks nice but can't recognize what it is

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Agreed, and should be able to votekick or separate those people from the ones that leveled their jobs from 1 to 60.

Here is the item: http://fr.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...m/9b1438a551f/

No just no!
Don't let them buy levels or skip the story. Simply increase the exp rewards from the story. Make it that they can reach lvl 50 in 1.5 weeks. Increase exp alittle for HW story so they reach 60 in 1.5 weeks. So total 3 weeks till they reach the new expantion.

Waaay better than skipping and buying levels.
Then they level normaly with everyone elese in the new expantion.

Stop trying to make everything require less time. That's the point of mmos, time investment.

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Originally Posted by Celef

Make it like WoW, as I heard, their names are in red so everyone know they bought their lvls, easy to know what to do next...

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I'd rather them just not do this. With the changes they've done so far, it's not like it takes that long to get to cap.

Harassing them will just lead to a GM censuring the harasser.

Well, i guess this means i will be able to play with my US friends in Sargatanas while not having to transfer or abandon my progress >w<

No instant boost potion.
I'm fine with allowing people access to the content without requiring the completion of the MSQ.

Majority view sticks. So unfortunately that results in things becoming more and more trivial / self gratifying to serve the casual (read; candy crush level/occasional) gamer. From my perspective it strips the worth out of playing at all. In the sense that in the days of old, the effort/class ability and general community presence of the individual mattered.

You felt like if you logged out you'd actually be missed so to speak because things took work. Those days are rapidly coming to an end, to be replaced with a very shallow trivial experience designed to maximise people through the door - with little concern for retainment.

The full effects of what some are mentioning (b2p/p2w style) take time to manifest. So no doubt the naysayers will say its an overreaction (as they do every time these things happen). But mark my words it will not be in the best interests of the games quality or future. And it will see everyone who holds achievement to still mean something, quitting in droves.

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Originally Posted by Yeol

No just no!
Don't let them buy levels or skip the story. Simply increase the exp rewards from the story. Make it that they can reach lvl 50 in 1.5 weeks.

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I'm level 54 on my BRD and still haven't finished the ARR story. I think this is a little absurd.

At the very least, no more locking entering the zones and DEFINITELY they should not be locking jobs behind all of this grind.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

I'm level 54 on my BRD and still haven't finished the ARR story. I think this is a little absurd.

At the very least, no more locking entering the zones and DEFINITELY they should not be locking jobs behind all of this grind.

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I wish i had started heavensward at level 54, i wouldnt have had to wait a day of grinding everytime i hit a level wall. Youll fly through HW so fast, trust me the story is nice and youll want to keep going on instead of getting stuck running side quests fates and dungeons for a day till you can continue

No. I don't want this. I could write a long post why but I'm sure someone has it covered.

The question shouldn't be if it will potentially come or not, but how much it'll cost since its definitely coming. They might even toss one in with 4.0 like wow does now with their expansions lol.

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Originally Posted by bass9020

So the Gamer Escape interview with Yoshi came out and I found this little juicy answer SO INFURIATING... is this honestly needed? Why do people play games if they don't want to work for anything. We already have people who can barely play there jobs and now you want to hand them already leveled/story completed characters? ill just never understand.

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The feature wouldn't apply to you. Why are you complaining about it? I don't see people who love the story complaining about all the people who rush through and skip every cut scene and rush through every dialog conversation? Plenty of people do this. How does it impact how others play?

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Originally Posted by KitingGenbu

The question shouldn't be if it will potentially come or not, but how much it'll cost since its definitely coming. They might even toss one in with 4.0 like wow does now with their expansions lol.

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Not trying to be the person like 'omg rage quit I hate SE' but if this is actually implemented I will probably leave the game. Buying levels is just a no-go for me.