New Player Etiquette

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Originally Posted by syldon

I find the same. Some tanks take a lot of healing and others manage just with hots. However, I had one healer who had issues with something. He could not heal one pack at a time. Every time I looked there was no mana left. Do you slow down for people who clearly have issues, or do you plough on faster and make them work?

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Ask them why they're running so low on MP. Politely. Phrase it so it is not a criticism, just a question. Then go from there.

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Originally Posted by syldon

Then you are the one with the problem if you are in my run. You pull you keep it. Pulling in front of the tank just slows the run down even more as the tank has to use 2-3 GCDs to get those mobs back. I wont waste more than one attempt on anyone trolling me like that. I reported the last troll last night due their parting comments when he left. The rest of the group were not impressed by him/her. I am not a slow player by anyone's standards. Play how you want when you play solo, but when you are in a group then show some respect to the group.

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sorry i forgot how hard tanking in this game is that you struggle with a few extra mobs

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Originally Posted by theunhappypotato

sorry i forgot how hard tanking in this game is that you struggle with a few extra mobs

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Tanking isn't hard. It seems that playing with courtesy to others in the group is, for some. It is just a game, there are no real life consequences. So when someone is slow just give them the space they need. I am always happy to help someone diagnose their play if they wish.

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Originally Posted by BlisteringFrost

Ask them why they're running so low on MP. Politely. Phrase it so it is not a criticism, just a question. Then go from there.

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this guy was in a sub 50 levelling duty (lvl 30 I think). I asked him at the end if he had done his role quests, and he left. It wasn't gear as he had decent ilvl for the dungeon he was in. Whatever it was he had very, very low healing output. And as a sub 50 tank there is not a lot you can do except CDs to help them out. I ended up just pulling single packs for him, but the dps was so low that he was struggling at the end of each pull. Just one of those groups.

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Originally Posted by syldon

this guy was in a sub 50 levelling duty (lvl 30 I think). I asked him at the end if he had done his role quests, and he left. It wasn't gear as he had decent ilvl for the dungeon he was in. Whatever it was he had very, very low healing output. And as a sub 50 tank there is not a lot you can do except CDs to help them out. I ended up just pulling single packs for him, but the dps was so low that he was struggling at the end of each pull. Just one of those groups.

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It's very hard to tell why things went awry but I have also met a lot of healers stressing out. It's true that most start out thinking that everyone has to be at 100% at all times. I myself had that for a very long time.

But yeah, showing common courtesy to other players is the bare minimum people can do. It doesn't matter if the class is easy or hard, they are new or a vet. Just be a decent human being, and things will improve.

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Originally Posted by Kohashi

It's very hard to tell why things went awry but I have also met a lot of healers stressing out. It's true that most start out thinking that everyone has to be at 100% at all times. I myself had that for a very long time.

But yeah, showing common courtesy to other players is the bare minimum people can do. It doesn't matter if the class is easy or hard, they are new or a vet. Just be a decent human being, and things will improve.

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It's wild that common courtesy is a hot take for some. My friend had the worst anxiety as a healer and I mean bad, but because I then decided to tank for them and go at their pace, they learned the job and now play healer without any issue.

When I play tank, I will always be thinking of the healer. Because ultimately, how much they have to heal depends on my use of cooldowns and mitigation. If I pop everything on one pull, I can't expect to pull w2w with no mitigation the next round & expect to be okay. Warrior doesn't count lmao. It's all good and well to put majority "blame" on heals and tanks, but if your DPS are not pushing buttons, the mobs don't die and we eventually run out of cooldowns. Especially in lower level dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Nyastra

It's wild that common courtesy is a hot take for some. My friend had the worst anxiety as a healer and I mean bad, but because I then decided to tank for them and go at their pace, they learned the job and now play healer without any issue.

When I play tank, I will always be thinking of the healer. Because ultimately, how much they have to heal depends on my use of cooldowns and mitigation. If I pop everything on one pull, I can't expect to pull w2w with no mitigation the next round & expect to be okay. Warrior doesn't count lmao. It's all good and well to put majority "blame" on heals and tanks, but if your DPS are not pushing buttons, the mobs don't die and we eventually run out of cooldowns. Especially in lower level dungeons.

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Seeing it often happen on DPS wearing the Mentor Crown that they don't fully understand their job and are just wonky with their rotations.
Double so back then when they were Black Mages (prior their "rework") and still kept switching to Astral/Umbral with Transpose in Shadowbringer dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Arrius

Seeing it often happen on DPS wearing the Mentor Crown that they don't fully understand their job and are just wonky with their rotations.
Double so back then when they were Black Mages (prior their "rework") and still kept switching to Astral/Umbral with Transpose in Shadowbringer dungeons.

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Exactly. DPS don't get a free pass in this discussion. They too are responsible for how fast the mobs die which in turn saves the tank and healer some CDs to be able to do another wall pull. It's really a team effort as much as people want to make it out not to be. And I've had good tanks in low level dungeons! Because of them I was able to heal pulls I never even thought possible. Just put some dang effort and be nice, we all want to get out of this 58586840 run of Stone Vigil as fast as possible.

oh thank god someone brings up that topic. im so tired of people treating dps jobs as something without responsibility. and people qlways jumping to stuff like elitist and dps meter, even though dmg matters.

and also you are there as a group. some act as if dps jobs dont have anything to say in anything.

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Originally Posted by Asari5

oh thank god someone brings up that topic. im so tired of people treating dps jobs as something without responsibility. and people qlways jumping to stuff like elitist and dps meter, even though dmg matters.

and also you are there as a group. some act as if dps jobs dont have anything to say in anything.

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I honestly get it. Everyone wants to get out of the dungeon as fast as possible, because the vast majority of players don't get to play for 24 hours 7 days a week. I get maybe 2/3 hours a day, max, sometimes less. So when I say I REALLY want to get this Stone Vigil done, I really do. I use Stone Vigil as an example often because:

1. Tanks don't have a ton of mitigation at this level.
2. Healers don't have a bunch of easy press free heal buttons.
3. DPS have like, one AOE.
It is also the dungeon where people are most prone to wiping aside from Aurum Vale (we all know how that usually goes).

None of us want to spend 30 minutes of our playtime in this dungeon, or longer. Even single pulls in this dungeon goes faster than repeatedly bashing your head against a wall, wiping, because the tank has no mit, the healer has no free heal and has cast times, the dps faceroll their buttons while pulling extra mobs.

You don't even have to be the best DPS, Tank or Healer to get through this stuff, just gotta have some self awareness and decency that way we can *all* get out of there and go have a grand ol' time AFKing in Limsa.